I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired.

[Kalamazoo317]

We've yet to show we know how to leverage cap space for anything valuable. Bojan has been one of the few players on the team worth his contract in the last two seasons. I'm not saying we should definitely not trade him, just that we shouldn't trade him just to trade him. Tell me the trade and I'll respond to that.

[theBigLip]

I’m sure I’m in the minority but I think Weaver has had the right strategy. Sure, Killian draft sucked but Duren was great. You win some and lose some. Last summer when we could have blown our long term cap space, he kicked it down the road a year and just let our young core get some minutes. And he (and/or Gores) got the best coach available. It all seemed reasonable at the time.

Obviously things didn’t work out, but we weren’t going to be a playoff team this year anyway. And we managed to keep our cap space. And today’s trade even got us more. Who really cares about Gallinari, Muscala and a couple of 2nd round picks?

The real test for Weaver is going to be what he does with $60M in cap space. If he gets us a couple of 3&D wings, we should be in good shape.

[Kalamazoo317]

Pieces of the right strategy, maybe. But the fit issues on the roster, the total lack of wing talent, the lack of players who can shoot and play defense .... that's all on him.

[zeebneeb]

I’m sure I’m in the minority but I think Weaver has had the right strategy. Sure, Killian draft sucked but Duren was great. You win some and lose some. Last summer when we could have blown our long term cap space, he kicked it down the road a year and just let our young core get some minutes. And he (and/or Gores) got the best coach available. It all seemed reasonable at the time.

Obviously things didn’t work out, but we weren’t going to be a playoff team this year anyway. And we managed to keep our cap space. And today’s trade even got us more. Who really cares about Gallinari, Muscala and a couple of 2nd round picks?

The real test for Weaver is going to be what he does with $60M in cap space. If he gets us a couple of 3&D wings, we should be in good shape.

Going by the current state of the team, these had better be a couple of all-star wings.

This is not a bad team. This is a historically bad, worst of all-time team.

Any added players have to be high, high quality prospects, or all-stars.

No more Wisemans, Bagleys, Harris(x2), Galos, or even Grants.

Weaver has to add dynamite to this team, or fire his ass out of a cannon. Enough is enough.

[Piston Pete]

Weaver is the best punter in Detroit sports history!

[joedumars1]

Weaver is the best punter in Detroit sports history!

Good one, sad it has merit

[theBigLip]

Weaver is the best punter in Detroit sports history!

Good one, sad it has merit

Had to laugh at this one too Hopefully he is in slam dunk mode this summer.

[theBigLip]

I’m sure I’m in the minority but I think Weaver has had the right strategy. Sure, Killian draft sucked but Duren was great. You win some and lose some. Last summer when we could have blown our long term cap space, he kicked it down the road a year and just let our young core get some minutes. And he (and/or Gores) got the best coach available. It all seemed reasonable at the time.

Obviously things didn’t work out, but we weren’t going to be a playoff team this year anyway. And we managed to keep our cap space. And today’s trade even got us more. Who really cares about Gallinari, Muscala and a couple of 2nd round picks?

The real test for Weaver is going to be what he does with $60M in cap space. If he gets us a couple of 3&D wings, we should be in good shape.

Going by the current state of the team, these had better be a couple of all-star wings.

This is not a bad team. This is a historically bad, worst of all-time team.

Any added players have to be high, high quality prospects, or all-stars.

No more Wisemans, Bagleys, Harris(x2), Galos, or even Grants.

Weaver has to add dynamite to this team, or fire his ass out of a cannon. Enough is enough.

Totally agree that he needs to go get top quality players. I would expect nothing less now that we are "all time losers". Although I don't know if we are the worst of all time in spite of the streak. There are other indicators like point differential that are probably as much or more relevant.

[buzzkilloton]

I think many were thinking we'd be getting a guy with great talent evaluation, and people naturally assumed Weaver had a lot to do with Presti's success, but since he left OKC, he's drafted **** and OKC drafts guys, and they're now one of the best teams in the league, and still very young, and will be winning soon.

Their was some credit giving from Presti to Weaver on some of there draft picks back then. The thing is its not uncommon for a guy with a locked in high level job like Presti to give credit to a close business associate/friend to help said friends career advance. Presti has talked a ton about how good of a friend Troy was to him so no surprise he gave such glowing reccomendations.

OKC has continued to make incredible moves after Weaver left. Its pretty obv at this point Troy Weaver being a good GM was all smoke and mirrors.

[theBigLip]

I think many were thinking we'd be getting a guy with great talent evaluation, and people naturally assumed Weaver had a lot to do with Presti's success, but since he left OKC, he's drafted **** and OKC drafts guys, and they're now one of the best teams in the league, and still very young, and will be winning soon.

Their was some credit giving from Presti to Weaver on some of there draft picks back then. The thing is its not uncommon for a guy with a locked in high level job like Presti to give credit to a close business associate/friend to help said friends career advance. Presti has talked a ton about how good of a friend Troy was to him so no surprise he gave such glowing reccomendations.

OKC has continued to make incredible moves after Weaver left. Its pretty obv at this point Troy Weaver being a good GM was all smoke and mirrors.

I think Weaver’s grade is still “incomplete”. His plan was to get our cap cleaned up and get a solid core of young players. Let them grow then go after some stars with some cap space when it’s time. That last step isn’t done yet.

People lose their mind about Bagley or Wiseman. Those were always long shots. But safe ones because they didn’t cripple our cap. No big deal.

He missed with Hayes but scored big with Duren. We got a great long term center because of that. I’m still not sure how he pulled that off but happy he did.

He now has $60M for now or this summer. If we can sign a few stars that are reasonably young and can score, our lineup is going to look much better. Some of our starters become rotation players where they should be.

He actually tried to get vets that could shoot. He did get guys with a good track record by retaining Bogdonovich (who dealt w injuries), Burks was also retained, Harris unfortunately just fell off a cliff and Morris hasn’t played at all. Sometimes you need a little luck and we got none.

Speaking of luck, except for getting Cade, we are horribly unlucky in the draft. If we got Wemby it would be all good. Jabari Chet or Paolo? Instead we get Ivey and Ausar. Not bad, but not GREAT. Is that Weaver’s fault?

Anyway, as long as we don’t blow our wad on Lavine or someone similar, we should be ok. We are on the right path. It’s just taking longer than we all want.

[Cowology]

I think Weaver deserves credit. I did not expect W #4 to come so quickly. In fact it looked entirely hopeless. So... well done.

[buzzkilloton]

I think many were thinking we'd be getting a guy with great talent evaluation, and people naturally assumed Weaver had a lot to do with Presti's success, but since he left OKC, he's drafted **** and OKC drafts guys, and they're now one of the best teams in the league, and still very young, and will be winning soon.

Their was some credit giving from Presti to Weaver on some of there draft picks back then. The thing is its not uncommon for a guy with a locked in high level job like Presti to give credit to a close business associate/friend to help said friends career advance. Presti has talked a ton about how good of a friend Troy was to him so no surprise he gave such glowing reccomendations.

OKC has continued to make incredible moves after Weaver left. Its pretty obv at this point Troy Weaver being a good GM was all smoke and mirrors.

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Anyway, as long as we don’t blow our wad on Lavine or someone similar, we should be ok. We are on the right path. It’s just taking longer than we all want.

I disagree with it being incomplete. Their was plenty of opportunity to do well with what was on the table. Weaver could of easily turned us into a powerhouse he just made the wrong decisions.

His first draft class was a flop it could of set us up for success if he made the right choices. Hayes over Hali and Vassell(not a star but at least hes a solid player)who both were high up on many consensus draft boards. Tyrese Maxey fell big time many posters wanted him but Weaver was obsessed with Stew a guy Weaver had connections with so we missed another star that could of been a game changer. We also missed on Quickly another guy that could of been a impact player.

Also keep in mind if we won that lotto we were taking Wiseman not Melo or Ant Edwards. In a way Weaver was lucky not to win that lotto because he would likely already be canned for taking Wiseman over them.

https://thunderousintentions.com/2021/07/27/okc-thunder-offered-sga-cade-cunningham/

"OKC Thunder are trying hard to get into the top four of the 2021 NBA Draft. The team has even gone as far as to offer Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the sixth overall pick to the Detriot Pistons for the right to select Oklahoma State star Cade Cunningham first overall during Thursday’s draft according to Jake Fischer."

Could of traded the Cade pick for #6 and SGA but didnt pull the trigger. That could of been Wagner or Giddey+SGA we make that move were set. Obv thats a hard move to make but it was on the table and he didnt make it.

Now look at all the highly picked low IQ draft busts Weaver has went after. Guys like Bagley,Wiseman,Knox,Okafor,Lyles and Josh Jackson. He went after all these guys because he liked them coming out of the draft and thought they had talent these are all the kinda players he would of drafted on the clock given the chance.

Weaver was in love with Bagley. I firmly believe if Weaver was on the clock in 2018 with Luka on the board he bypasses him for both Ayton and Bagley just like the Suns and Kings did.

He filled our roster with those low IQ players which is the type of players our young guys practice against. Rather then have a bunch of good vets that could teach our young guys winning ways thats what we landed.

We still owe a 1st rounder due to the Stewart trade which limits trading options.

Weavers connection to Grant was obv really helpful but that was a one time thing due to his relationship. Trading Grant and landing Duren was a good play. That said their were multiple good centers on the board and time will tell who the best of the bunch is. Kessler and Williams also have alot of potential.

Weaver has built a historically bad team that has a losers culture. We have a bunch of cap that will likely be spent on mid players. Weaver will be fired because Weaver hasnt made the right decisions in his time here.

[buzzkilloton]

Troy Weaver is not a good GM.

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[theBigLip]

Troy Weaver is not a good GM.

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That’s your opinion and far from a fact. Cherry picking from past drafts is easy. Go study draft results and no one gets it perfect, not even close.

Why don’t you post your mock draft, all the way through the first round, for the next five years and we’ll see how you do. Heck, even do it this year. And then we can analyze your picks, and there’s definitely going to be some losers. It’s a lot harder when you don’t get to see the results first.

[buzzkilloton]

Troy Weaver is not a good GM.

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That’s your opinion and far from a fact. Cherry picking from past drafts is easy. Go study draft results and no one gets it perfect, not even close.

Why don’t you post your mock draft, all the way through the first round, for the next five years and we’ll see how you do. Heck, even do it this year. And then we can analyze your picks, and there’s definitely going to be some losers. It’s a lot harder when you don’t get to see the results first.

The standard a NBA GM is held to isnt that of a fan on realGM like myself that has a full time job not related to basketball. Their arent many NBA GM jobs in the world and GMs are VERY highly paid and have alot of resources to do that job. Troy Weaver was brought in large part due to what was said of his ability to draft very well.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2020/11/16135122/The-Athletics-2020-NBA-Draft-Guide-2.pdf

Here is a big board from Sam V that was made right before the 2020 draft. You know someone who does draft work for a living that isnt getting paid millions like Troy Weaver.

7.Tyrese H
10.Hayes
11.Vassell
14.T.Maxey
16.Bey
19.Bane
24.Stew

Here is Espns draft with Givony and Schmitz(who is now working for the Blazers) other guys who do draft work for a living.

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/29861481/nba-draft-2020-perfect-picks-every-team-first-round

5.Tyrese H
8.Hayes
10.Maxey
11.Vassell
16. Stew
17.Bey
27.Bane(another guy that could of been huge)


Weaver had 3 picks in this draft and completely bricked out missing tons of talent. If he got the 1st pick he would of took Wiseman over the stars. Weaver is just not a good decision maker.

[MortSahlfan]

What's all the cap space if no one will come to Detroit?

[buzzkilloton]

Troy Weaver has been here 3 years and 7 months. We are Hinkiee level sixers bad. Its not due to some bad deck of cards its because he has made bad decisions much more then good ones.

The average GM tenure is 30 months or 2.5 years. Weaver has had more then enough time to do something with this franchise.

" According to Forde’s research, the average tenure for an NBA GM is just 30 months."

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/4/14/22380676/nba-general-manager-mike-forde

[Mr Peanut]

What's all the cap space if no one will come to Detroit?

This. People are patting Weaver on the back for keeping the cap sheet clean, but in the process of his roster building we have become the joke of the league. That's on top of it being Detroit and not a great FA destination to begin with.

No one is coming here unless we severely overpay, and even then they may still take less to go to a team in a nicer city and/or a playoff contender.

[MortSahlfan]

Even when we were winning, we never got great free agents.

[Kilo]

60m in cap space in a cruddy FA season. Sounds about right for Weaver. He put all his eggs in a 14% change to win the lottery and draft Wemby. That was his plan.

Allowing the architect of an historically bad team 5 years into his retool to spend that space and make another pick is asinine.