The Trade Thread

[menten]

I'm just trying to think of one championship team in history that had a big man who was primarily just an outside shooter and didn't provide much in the way of defense and rebounding. Its hard to think of any, so I don't have a lot of trust that it can work.

Dirk Nowitzki - 2011 Dallas Mavericks.

[momed11]

Giving up moose for anderson is giving up what we potentially had/have to the pelicans. AD and moose would cause havoc in this league for the next decade. Both AD's.

[coolness]

It's bizarre how low Moose's trade value is set by some. I'm okay with trading him, but he is worth a lot....


A mostly stolen idea from T&T Board...

Smoove and Jerebko and Bynum
for
J.Johnson and M.Plumlee and A.Daye

Why for Toronto?
they get a protected 2nd or something. Why not?

Why for Brooklyn?
MAYBE they want a 4 and play KG at the 5. And Blatche at the 5. And Evans.
Smoove is younger and cheaper than Johnson. About equal on the floor, but different.
Jerebko and Bynum expire a year before Johnson would.
They might actually want Bynum.

Why for Detroit?
We trade a near-star who doesn't fit for one fits perfectly. Older but should be good for 2.5 more years.
Daye is an extra bench shooter. We're a little thin there....pun, eh?
Plumlee is an extra bench center. Would become our only athletic back-up center.
Jerebko and Bynum have no role here.

[OneBadMutha]

I disagree. We grossly over-rate Moose. He's a center that can't protect the rim or a power forward without the foot-speed to be adequate defensively. He doesn't have the strengths to over-power smaller, lighter 4's or the athletic ability to expose 5s. His main unique strength is his skill level as a 5...however he's had a 1 to 1 assist/turnover ratio since he's been in the league with little improvement (so you can't run your offense thru him consistently and be efficient) and he still can't hit a mid range shot to pull 5's from the basket.

Intangibles are that he's a heady offensive player however he's all but given up defensively and he hasn't shown much toughness.

He's young but he's not improved since his 2nd season. At his current rate of development, he'll just be a slower version of what he is now 5 years from now.

Monroe is a low maintenance guy who can put up stats on a bad team. He does almost nothing well as it relates to things that don't show up on a box score. His trade value is not that high because most GMs are leery of good stat guys on bad teams...especially when they are big men who rank in the bottom 10% of the league defensively.

I've moved on from the idea that Monroe is going to fetch Detroit a nice return. He's not going to get you a player like Leonard. At best, he can be a central part of a package if we're going to get a very good swingman out of the deal. The longer this season goes, the more he's getting exposed though. Starting the 4 is not how to showcase him.

[sc8581]

I disagree. We grossly over-rate Moose. He's a center that can't protect the rim or a power forward without the foot-speed to be adequate defensively. He doesn't have the strengths to over-power smaller, lighter 4's or the athletic ability to expose 5s. His main unique strength is his skill level as a 5...however he's had a 1 to 1 assist/turnover ratio since he's been in the league with little improvement (so you can't run your offense thru him consistently and be efficient) and he still can't hit a mid range shot to pull 5's from the basket.

Intangibles are that he's a heady offensive player however he's all but given up defensively and he hasn't shown much toughness.

He's young but he's not improved since his 2nd season. At his current rate of development, he'll just be a slower version of what he is now 5 years from now.

Monroe is a low maintenance guy who can put up stats on a bad team. He does almost nothing well as it relates to things that don't show up on a box score. His trade value is not that high because most GMs are leery of good stat guys on bad teams...especially when they are big men who rank in the bottom 10% of the league defensively.

I've moved on from the idea that Monroe is going to fetch Detroit a nice return. He's not going to get you a player like Leonard. At best, he can be a central part of a package if we're going to get a very good swingman out of the deal. The longer this season goes, the more he's getting exposed though. Starting the 4 is not how to showcase him.

It's time to move him to the bench and start Singler who has been playing extremely well lately, he'll get his touches off the bench and have more room to operate when paired with Jorts.

[wallacex2jc]

If we can trade Monroe + CV for Gallo and Fournier, then I'd be pretty satisfied

Assuming he returns back into his old form, Gallo is the guy who could become a closer for us.

[sc8581]

If we can trade Monroe + CV for Gallo and Fournier, then I'd be pretty satisfied

Assuming he returns back into his old form, Gallo is the guy who could become a closer for us.

Assuming he returns to his old form and can ever stay healthy, he's been hurt a lot during his career and I don't think his talent level is worth the risk.

[princeofpalace]

Pistons trade: Rodney Stuckey
Washington trades: Trevor Ariza

Why for us? We need to upgrade at the wing and need shooters, Ariza is a sniper. Why for WAS? They already have Webster and just drafted Porter and could use help at backup G. I know Ariza is more of a SF, but he did start at SG for Orlando and is capable of playing the position well. Also, he's a very good defender. Stuck has been very good for us but I think we'd be much better off with another shooter to spread the floor.

Ariza: 16 points/6 boards/2 assists on 47%FG, 42% from deep in 35mpg
Stuck: 15 points/2 boards/2 assists on 45% FG, 33% from deep in 27 mpg

We become:
Jennings/Billups/Bynum/Siva
Ariza/KCP/
Smith/Ariza/Singler/Datome
Monroe/Smith/Jerebko/CV
Drummond/Monroe/Harrelson

And, if we don't trade for Ariza, he should be our top target in 2014 FA.

[sfballa13]

I like the Stuckey for Ariza deal

Follow that up by dealing with Brooklyn:
Josh Smith and garbage (Datome, Bynum, Jerebko - owed 9M for the next two years)
for
Joe Johnson and Plumlee

We should be able to pick up either Maynor (from the Wizards) or Taylor (from the Nets) to back up Jennings. Basically whoever gives us a backup PG gets Bynum.

Jennings / (Maynor - Taylor) - Billups
Joe Johnson / KCP
Ariza / Singler
Monroe / Plumlee
Drummond / Harrelson

What do you guys think?

[sc8581]

I like the Stuckey for Ariza deal

Follow that up by dealing with Brooklyn:
Josh Smith and garbage (Datome, Bynum, Jerebko - owed 9M for the next two years)
for
Joe Johnson and Plumlee

We should be able to pick up either Maynor (from the Wizards) or Taylor (from the Nets) to back up Jennings. Basically whoever gives us a backup PG gets Bynum.

Jennings / (Maynor - Taylor) - Billups
Joe Johnson / KCP
Ariza / Singler
Monroe / Plumlee
Drummond / Harrelson

What do you guys think?

Neither of those deals is a possibility. You're not getting Ariza from Washington without giving up something they can use for their future, not just this season. The Nets could possibly try to trade Johnson for another bad contract but they don't have anywhere to play Smith and they would also have no SG afterward.

[PistonPride]

We need to get active and do whatever we can to get Kevin Love. I know this is probably really far off but I was thinking something like this

Detroit trades: Greg Monroe, Josh Smith, Rodney Stuckey, 2016 unprotected first, 2014 second, 2015 second, Kyle Singler, Tony Mitchell
Detroit recieves: Kevin Love, Harrison Barnes, Mareese Speights

Pheonix Trades: Phoenix 2014 1st Minnesota 2014 1st Washington 2014 1st Indiana 2014 1st (all the firsts are top 12ish protected)
Recieves: Greg Monroe, David Lee

Golden State trades: Harrison Barnes, David Lee Mareese Speights
Golden State recieves: Josh Smith, Rodney Stuckey, Tony Mitchell

Minnesota recieves: Phoenix 2014 1st Minnesota 2014 1st Washington 2014 1st Indiana 2014 1st Detroit 2016 1st 2014 second, 2015 second Emeka Okafor Kyle Singler

We woudl become instant title contenders and everyone gets better. Minnesotta gets assets for the definately leaving K. Love. Pheonix gets Monroe at center and Lee giving them an awesome front court rotaion and making them prime for a run this season while also having the capspace to resign both Monroe and Bledsoe to maxes after this season making them set for years while only giving up a handful of late picks. Plumlee gives them the liberty of being able to handle the poor defense of Lee and Monroe, and the two add a low post aspect to the suns that wasn't there before. Golden State gets to offload Lee for a better defender in smith who will play much better there as he will be the primary post option and will eb surrounded by shooters. Golden State also gets stuck to give them a scoring guard off the bench something they need desperately. This is my pipe dream because we get a love drummond frontcourt best frontcourt in the league for at least the next 5 years, and we get barnes to play Sf, Giving us barnes may have been a stretch and in order for this deal to possibly work we may need barnes to head to either minnesota or Pheonix but I think in principle this is a deal that could work. The main premise of the trade idea though is we need to get love, the perfect fit for our team and possibly available.

[joseph mamah]

We need to get active and do whatever we can to get Kevin Love. I know this is probably really far off but I was thinking something like this

Detroit trades: Greg Monroe, Josh Smith, Rodney Stuckey, 2016 unprotected first, 2014 second, 2015 second, Kyle Singler, Tony Mitchell
Detroit recieves: Kevin Love, Harrison Barnes, Mareese Speights

Pheonix Trades: Phoenix 2014 1st Minnesota 2014 1st Washington 2014 1st Indiana 2014 1st (all the firsts are top 12ish protected)
Recieves: Greg Monroe, David Lee

Golden State trades: Harrison Barnes, David Lee Mareese Speights
Golden State recieves: Josh Smith, Rodney Stuckey, Tony Mitchell

Minnesota recieves: Phoenix 2014 1st Minnesota 2014 1st Washington 2014 1st Indiana 2014 1st Detroit 2016 1st 2014 second, 2015 second Emeka Okafor Kyle Singler

We woudl become instant title contenders and everyone gets better. Minnesotta gets assets for the definately leaving K. Love. Pheonix gets Monroe at center and Lee giving them an awesome front court rotaion and making them prime for a run this season while also having the capspace to resign both Monroe and Bledsoe to maxes after this season making them set for years while only giving up a handful of late picks. Plumlee gives them the liberty of being able to handle the poor defense of Lee and Monroe, and the two add a low post aspect to the suns that wasn't there before. Golden State gets to offload Lee for a better defender in smith who will play much better there as he will be the primary post option and will eb surrounded by shooters. Golden State also gets stuck to give them a scoring guard off the bench something they need desperately. This is my pipe dream because we get a love drummond frontcourt best frontcourt in the league for at least the next 5 years, and we get barnes to play Sf, Giving us barnes may have been a stretch and in order for this deal to possibly work we may need barnes to head to either minnesota or Pheonix but I think in principle this is a deal that could work. The main premise of the trade idea though is we need to get love, the perfect fit for our team and possibly available.

Loves Laker bound when he hits UFA, otherwise he would be a perfect fit with Dre.

[cammac]

Toronto would never trade Amir for Monroe
Amir 25 and 6ft9 with 8 years NBA experience improving every year
11.8 ppg 7.3 rpg 1bpg PER 17.91 .603 FG% outstanding defensively, team leader, versatile can play PF and C , shooting range including the 3, effectively 6.5 million and 7 million 2014/15
last 10 games with Gay the chucker gone 16.9 ppg. 9.4 RPG 1.4 BPG & .664 FG%

[princeofpalace]

Toronto would never trade Amir for Monroe
Amir 25 and 6ft9 with 8 years NBA experience improving every year
11.8 ppg 7.3 rpg 1bpg PER 17.91 .603 FG% outstanding defensively, team leader, versatile can play PF and C , shooting range including the 3, effectively 6.5 million and 7 million 2014/15
last 10 games with Gay the chucker gone 16.9 ppg. 9.4 RPG 1.4 BPG & .664 FG%

, this new generation of posters is too funny, no wonder most of the older posters have left

[Redeemed]

Toronto would never trade Amir for Monroe
Amir 25 and 6ft9 with 8 years NBA experience improving every year
11.8 ppg 7.3 rpg 1bpg PER 17.91 .603 FG% outstanding defensively, team leader, versatile can play PF and C , shooting range including the 3, effectively 6.5 million and 7 million 2014/15
last 10 games with Gay the chucker gone 16.9 ppg. 9.4 RPG 1.4 BPG & .664 FG%

You do realize those numbers are only slightly better than Monroe's rookie stats right? Amir is a solid complimentary player who happens to be close to his ceiling at this point in his career. Monroe is 3 years younger and is years away from his prime. The only edge Amir has on Monroe is his motor and his defense. Monroe is the better player in every other aspect of the game. As for Amir's 3 pt shooting range, he's shooting 29% from three.

[Hotmayo]

Detroit trades greg Monroe to Sacramento for Marcus Thornton and their unprotected first round pick

[Notanoob]

I think we'd all do that deal in a hear beat. That team is a bottom feeder. We'd have a shot at Wiggins. Imagine the insane defensive team we'd have with KCP/Wiggins/Smith/Drummond. System be damned that'd be a tough group to score on.

[MotownMadness]

I would do it as well but we all know Dumars would not?

[sc8581]

Detroit trades greg Monroe to Sacramento for Marcus Thornton and their unprotected first round pick

The Kings wouldn't even consider that deal.

[Hotmayo]

Detroit trades greg Monroe to Sacramento for Marcus Thornton and their unprotected first round pick

The Kings wouldn't even consider that deal.

They might. It's the kings. They traded for gay lol. There probably interested in trading assets to make the playoffs or at least try to