I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired.

[bstein14]

Missing Haliburton. Turning down SGA + other picks for #1 in 2021. Building a losing culture. Trading for and then overpaying Bagley and then paying extra to get rid of him. Years of development into Bey and trade away for nothing. Years of development into Hayes not knowing when to move on... all for nothing.

Kevin Knox is a top 5 or 6 player on our team for the min in year 4 of a "restore".

Weaver has left a lot to be desired. His roster construction is a few years behind the current NBA and his tank tank tank strategy is also less effective since the draft lottery rules changes and especially if you don't hit the right guys with your picks.

[Canadafan]

What's all the cap space if no one will come to Detroit?

Exactly. Make a damn trade and bring in 2 quality guys with our $70mil in expirings

[vege]

Anyone still defending Weaver at this point, has completely lost touch with reality and is living in a dream land.

[zeebneeb]

I’m sure I’m in the minority but I think Weaver has had the right strategy. Sure, Killian draft sucked but Duren was great. You win some and lose some. Last summer when we could have blown our long term cap space, he kicked it down the road a year and just let our young core get some minutes. And he (and/or Gores) got the best coach available. It all seemed reasonable at the time.

Obviously things didn’t work out, but we weren’t going to be a playoff team this year anyway. And we managed to keep our cap space. And today’s trade even got us more. Who really cares about Gallinari, Muscala and a couple of 2nd round picks?

The real test for Weaver is going to be what he does with $60M in cap space. If he gets us a couple of 3&D wings, we should be in good shape.

Going by the current state of the team, these had better be a couple of all-star wings.

This is not a bad team. This is a historically bad, worst of all-time team.

Any added players have to be high, high quality prospects, or all-stars.

No more Wisemans, Bagleys, Harris(x2), Galos, or even Grants.

Weaver has to add dynamite to this team, or fire his ass out of a cannon. Enough is enough.

Totally agree that he needs to go get top quality players. I would expect nothing less now that we are "all time losers". Although I don't know if we are the worst of all time in spite of the streak. There are other indicators like point differential that are probably as much or more relevant.

Its close enough.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-history-lowest-point-differential-per-game-in-a-single-season

10.3 vs 15

Damn.

[mattao313]

Weaver hasn't been good we don't have any good pieces outside of our draft picks. We should have at least one guy that we traded for that is a potential core piece.now he's gonna try and scramble and find guys at the end .

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[theBigLip]

What's all the cap space if no one will come to Detroit?

Make trades when teams are desperate for cap space.

[theBigLip]

Going by the current state of the team, these had better be a couple of all-star wings.

This is not a bad team. This is a historically bad, worst of all-time team.

Any added players have to be high, high quality prospects, or all-stars.

No more Wisemans, Bagleys, Harris(x2), Galos, or even Grants.

Weaver has to add dynamite to this team, or fire his ass out of a cannon. Enough is enough.

Totally agree that he needs to go get top quality players. I would expect nothing less now that we are "all time losers". Although I don't know if we are the worst of all time in spite of the streak. There are other indicators like point differential that are probably as much or more relevant.

Its close enough.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-history-lowest-point-differential-per-game-in-a-single-season

10.3 vs 15

Damn.

Better than “the streak”

[MortSahlfan]

What's all the cap space if no one will come to Detroit?

Make trades when teams are desperate for cap space.

I hope so. We seem to only trade for expiring contracts, and "go back, jack, do it again"

I remember getting Marcus Morris for almost nothing because he had 3-4 years on his contract. Then traded him for expiring Avery Bradley.

[7r5ur]

Totally agree that he needs to go get top quality players. I would expect nothing less now that we are "all time losers". Although I don't know if we are the worst of all time in spite of the streak. There are other indicators like point differential that are probably as much or more relevant.

Its close enough.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-history-lowest-point-differential-per-game-in-a-single-season

10.3 vs 15

Damn.

Better than “the streak”

Damn. That Mavs team started 4-57. They just spaced their wins more evenly lol

They had a 1 point win that broke up what would have been a 28 game losing streak. I guess to be fair, we had a 2 point win that broke up like a 35 game losing streak?

[thesack12]

To add to what others have discussed on Troy's terrible reign, I will add that on more than 1 occassion he has sent away 1sts when Detroit was absorbing the salary dumps. He did it with the Ariza contract/Stewart pick and The Kemba contract/Duren pick. Seriously why are you sending out assets when you are doing other teams favors by eating their unwanted salary?

From jump, We also had all the ridiculous cap hurdles of trading for guys just to immediately waive them while creating dead cap holds, some of which lingered for multiple years. All of that just to sign the likes of Mason Plumlee, only to have to attach assets to get rid of him a year later.

Weaver's asset management is flat out terrible. There is no excuse for this team to STILL be depressed of assets. The funny thing is Weaver actually owes more 1sts (1) than he has incoming (0).

If the best you can say about Troy Weaver is he hasn't put Detroit in a bad cap situation, then he's long past the point of needing to get fired. Besides there is still plenty of potential for him to reverse that cap outlook for Detroit I.E. a Zach Lavine trade.

[theBigLip]

Weaver's asset management is flat out terrible. There is no excuse for this team to STILL be depressed of assets. The funny thing is Weaver actually owes more 1sts (1) than he has incoming (0).

If the best you can say about Troy Weaver is he hasn't put Detroit in a bad cap situation, then he's long past the point of needing to get fired. Besides there is still plenty of potential for him to reverse that cap outlook for Detroit I.E. a Zach Lavine trade.

The first will likely become 2 seconds. So that’s not as bad as it sounds. And he hasn’t signed Lavine, so you can’t ding him for that.

[theBigLip]

Years of development into Bey and trade away for nothing. Years of development into Hayes not knowing when to move on... all for nothing.

I actually think these are both smart moves. You keep rookies on cheap contracts and you let them develop. If they’ve not made enough progress, you don’t extend them. Bey wants big money and he wasn’t our solution. I’m expecting the same treatment for Hayes. Stewart earned a reasonable extension.

[mattao313]

Years of development into Bey and trade away for nothing. Years of development into Hayes not knowing when to move on... all for nothing.

I actually think these are both smart moves. You keep rookies on cheap contracts and you let them develop. If they’ve not made enough progress, you don’t extend them. Bey wants big money and he wasn’t our solution. I’m expecting the same treatment for Hayes. Stewart earned a reasonable extension.

Why do people always say bey wanted big money? Who cares? The market makes his price, he isn't gonna get a huge contract. People act like cause he asked for something we had to pay it.

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[TPA]

For his part, Bey has been playing his role well in Atlanta, doing more with less and taking most of his shots from beyond the 3-point line, pretty much exactly what Detroit said they couldn’t get him to do.

Whether this was stubbornness from Bey or a failure of the coaching staff, the fit didn’t seem to be there in Detroit, but that wasn’t the only reason the Pistons decided to move on from Bey.

Saddiq Bey will be eligible for a rookie extension this summer and the Detroit Pistons apparently had no desire to be the one to pay for it according to one ESPN insider.

According to Jonathan Givony, Bey wanted what he called “insane” money in his next deal, which he talked about during a lengthy discussion on the Pistons on the Lowe Post Podcast.

Givony said he heard rumblings that Bey was looking for a similar deal to his now-teammate De’Andre Hunter, who was the 4th pick in the 2019 NBA Draft. Hunter’s extension kicks in next season and will range from $20 to 24 million per year through the 2026-27 season.

True, the market dictates player contracts. But our big-loving GM saw an opportunity to turn a guy talking about future money into a player he coveted, playing for a team that wasn't allowing him to break out. It was a gamble. The only real regret to glean from this deal in hindsight was the fact that we could have cut GS out of the equation and instead taken the five second-round picks in exchange for Bey for ourselves.

[thesack12]

Weaver's asset management is flat out terrible. There is no excuse for this team to STILL be depressed of assets. The funny thing is Weaver actually owes more 1sts (1) than he has incoming (0).

If the best you can say about Troy Weaver is he hasn't put Detroit in a bad cap situation, then he's long past the point of needing to get fired. Besides there is still plenty of potential for him to reverse that cap outlook for Detroit I.E. a Zach Lavine trade.

The first will likely become 2 seconds. So that’s not as bad as it sounds. And he hasn’t signed Lavine, so you can’t ding him for that.

And if it becomes 2 seconds that will mean that Detroit will have been a lottery team for 7 consecutive seasons after Troy's "restoration."

Are you really going to try use that as some rationalization for Troy Weaver's terrible reign?

[mattao313]

For his part, Bey has been playing his role well in Atlanta, doing more with less and taking most of his shots from beyond the 3-point line, pretty much exactly what Detroit said they couldn’t get him to do.

Whether this was stubbornness from Bey or a failure of the coaching staff, the fit didn’t seem to be there in Detroit, but that wasn’t the only reason the Pistons decided to move on from Bey.

Saddiq Bey will be eligible for a rookie extension this summer and the Detroit Pistons apparently had no desire to be the one to pay for it according to one ESPN insider.

According to Jonathan Givony, Bey wanted what he called “insane” money in his next deal, which he talked about during a lengthy discussion on the Pistons on the Lowe Post Podcast.

Givony said he heard rumblings that Bey was looking for a similar deal to his now-teammate De’Andre Hunter, who was the 4th pick in the 2019 NBA Draft. Hunter’s extension kicks in next season and will range from $20 to 24 million per year through the 2026-27 season.

True, the market dictates player contracts. But our big-loving GM saw an opportunity to turn a guy talking about future money into a player he coveted, playing for a team that wasn't allowing him to break out. It was a gamble. The only real regret to glean from this deal in hindsight was the fact that we could have cut GS out of the equation and instead taken the five second-round picks in exchange for Bey for ourselves.

Even without the hindsight it was a terrible move. We already had Duren at that point it was absolutely no reason to even trade a wing player for a position we already have a good prospect at.

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[Sheeeeed]

Pretty sure there was other rumblings Bey play was rubbing teammates the wrong way.

[Sheeeeed]

Pretty sure there was other rumblings Bey play was rubbing teammates the wrong way. It wasn't just the money.

[joedumars1]

Pretty sure there was other rumblings Bey play was rubbing teammates the wrong way. It wasn't just the money.

It was rubbing me the wrong way, trying to be the ball handler and ****. I’m glad we moved him, wish we would’ve took all the 2nd also, even this the hit rate is probbaly .05% or some ****. Also we didn’t want to pay him. If he would’ve accepted the role he has now it would’ve been all good, but seems he wanted to be/do more with us than with guys (trae & dejounte) that he differs to

[Piston Pete]

Years of development into Bey and trade away for nothing. Years of development into Hayes not knowing when to move on... all for nothing.

I actually think these are both smart moves. You keep rookies on cheap contracts and you let them develop. If they’ve not made enough progress, you don’t extend them. Bey wants big money and he wasn’t our solution. I’m expecting the same treatment for Hayes. Stewart earned a reasonable extension.

Why do people always say bey wanted big money? Who cares? The market makes his price, he isn't gonna get a huge contract. People act like cause he asked for something we had to pay it.

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Exactly. He would have been a RFA.

1. We offer him a fair deal
2. If he takes a deal somewhere else, we decide whether or not to match.