Billups gets a gig

[Manocad]

No doubt there’s a “good old boys” club in sports that certainly is detrimental to sports in general. I’m only suggesting that quotas isn’t the answer.

[chrbal]

To be honest, I barely know what any of our own assistants are good at. I can look at Chauncey as another team's assistant and feel he'd be a good coach because I got an up close look at him for 7+ years as the brains to a very successful run.

With Hammon, what are y'all pointing to to say she'd be a good candidate? I mean, I get there are some posters that dive deep into things like that. But sometimes it reeks of being the in thing to say somebody would be a great candidate.

I'm open to thoughts on her.

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For me it’s the recommendation she gets from coach pop and the fact that she’s successfully coached their team in the summer league and I’m pretty sure she’s had to step in for a game or two.

Beyond that I don’t know. But a lot of head coaches honestly get jobs because of a solid recommendation. And honestly with the guy who the pacers just fired and the amount of retreads that keep getting chances, I don’t see why she doesn’t deserve a shot.

You alluded to a much more macro oriented problem. There's too many retreads in every league, from top to bottom (front office to low level assistants/coaches) that keep getting hired/get one last shot out of pure recommendation or just from name recognition. Kidd and SVG should never have been hired again and JVG is still getting put in coaching rumor mills just because due to this exact reason

I more was focused on Stan, but Kidd is a good example as well. I’d just like to see more coaches, who didn’t get promoted purely on connections, get promoted.

That being said, you still have to have the 2nd and 3rd chance guys.

Just avoid the obvious under qualified candidate who knows someone, oh hi John kuester

[flow]

To be honest, I barely know what any of our own assistants are good at. I can look at Chauncey as another team's assistant and feel he'd be a good coach because I got an up close look at him for 7+ years as the brains to a very successful run.

With Hammon, what are y'all pointing to to say she'd be a good candidate? I mean, I get there are some posters that dive deep into things like that. But sometimes it reeks of being the in thing to say somebody would be a great candidate.

I'm open to thoughts on her.

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I don't know, I'll leave it for others to speak on.

But whether she is a good candidate or not, I certainly hope she's not being called in for interviews so teams can appear to be more inclusive while not being.

Obviously, that's exactly what happened.

There are 4 African American head coaches out of 30 teams - less than 15% of the league

In a league made up of 75% African American players

The NBA has a long way to go in - this is just a way to get positive press/female fans

No way are there only 4. There's been significant movement over the last couple of years.

Heck, 3 of the 4 remaining playoff teams have african american coaches.

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[Pharaoh]

From what I remember the last time the "Becky as HC" thing popped up:

Several Spur players have given her a endorsement of some description as a coach

Then there's the Pop coaching tree thing.

Time served as a assistant counts too

So she does have credentials.

That said IMO:

The problem isn't hiring her.

It's firing her! Cause she will get fired! That's what happens with coaches.

I doubt anyone wants to hire and fire the first female coach ever.


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[Snakebites]

I don't know, I'll leave it for others to speak on.

But whether she is a good candidate or not, I certainly hope she's not being called in for interviews so teams can appear to be more inclusive while not being.

Obviously, that's exactly what happened.

There are 4 African American head coaches out of 30 teams - less than 15% of the league

In a league made up of 75% African American players

The NBA has a long way to go in - this is just a way to get positive press/female fans

No way are there only 4. There's been significant movement over the last couple of years.

Heck, 3 of the 4 remaining playoff teams have african american coaches.

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There are currently the following:

Tyron Lue
Dwane Casey
Nate McMillain
Monty Williams
Doc Rivers
JB Bickerstaff
Stephen Silas

Recent hires who have yet to coach an NBA game:

Chauncey Billups
Ime Udoko
Jason Kidd

That 4 number is a couple of years out of date, I believe.

[bstein14]

I had no idea Billups was accused of rape as a rookie in Boston. Sounds like Dame us giving backlash for supporting his hire and very liberal Portland wanted Becky.

[Pharaoh]

I had no idea Billups was accused of rape as a rookie in Boston. Sounds like Dame us giving backlash for supporting his hire and very liberal Portland wanted Becky.

Had no idea either until he got the Blazers job.

Meanwhile he was hired by ESPN & the Clippers plus there was Dan Gilbert offering him a executive job not too long ago.

How did we not hear about this accusation until now

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[Snakebites]

I had no idea Billups was accused of rape as a rookie in Boston. Sounds like Dame us giving backlash for supporting his hire and very liberal Portland wanted Becky.

Had no idea either until he got the Blazers job.

Meanwhile he was hired by ESPN & the Clippers plus there was Dan Gilbert offering him a executive job not too long ago.

How did we not hear about this accusation until now

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I had forgotten about it.

But I definitely remember it being discussed looking back- I remember hearing about it probably a decade ago.

[ducler]

That's very US to be shocked about something that could have happened on 24 years ago, forgetting instantly everything the guy has done over his career. That's kind of Kevin Spacey's like treatment, I'm personally not in favor of that.

[MrBigShot]

Also had no idea about it prior to this week and my username is literally MrBigShot, not really sure how to feel about it but I'm definitely not gonna immediately write him off as some awful human being that nobody should associate as if I know precisely what happened. I'm biased but Chauncey is currently an assistant, has had stints on espn as an analyst, and has been in talks for GM and coaching positions for the past 5+ yrs and nobody brought this up? This emerging right now almost feels opportunistically timed with Becky Hammon getting consideration.

[440BB]

It's good business to take a potentially scathing issue, should it be brought up later, and bring it to the table up front. Showing they were conscious of the issue and took it seriously gives them control over the narrative.

[Pharaoh]

Anyone got info on the accusation? Too lazy to google for it atm

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[flow]

I had no idea Billups was accused of rape as a rookie in Boston. Sounds like Dame us giving backlash for supporting his hire and very liberal Portland wanted Becky.

Had no idea either until he got the Blazers job.

Meanwhile he was hired by ESPN & the Clippers plus there was Dan Gilbert offering him a executive job not too long ago.

How did we not hear about this accusation until now

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It was never a secret. He just wasn't on our team in '97, when it was alleged to have happened. Nor was he on our team at the time of the settlement, in 2000. By the time he got to Detroit in 2002, it was no longer a story.

Here's a case ruling from '98 dismissing Antoine Walker from the suit. It contains a synopsis of events.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/31/208/2516291/


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[Uncle Mxy]

I was aware of this back when Chauncey was a Piston, and brought it up on here years back.

The "Jane Doe" that Chauncey and others allegedly raped was not exactly the most credible witness, AFAICT. She reported that she was assaulted to the police the day after the alleged rape, after the medical exam and rape kit. A grand jury was assembled at the time to investigate, and ultimately criminal charges were NEVER filed against Billups or any of the other alleged rapists. Was that a good call? I dunno. But, it was the call made at the time, with fresh memories and testimonies.

So, half a year later, "Jane Doe" filed a civil case. Because Antoine Walker had money at the time and fought it more rather than settling (likely a precursor to Walker ending up with broke), there were additional case filings where it appeared that the alleged victim was a nutjob and there may not have even been a rape. But, rape shield law applies even in civil suits, so you have "Jane Doe" whose past activities cannot generally be considered. Fighting that takes not just money but time, and NBA careers are short.

Clearly, Chauncey was no choir boy. He wasn't making good choices as his basketball star was on the rise. Hell, he stole video rental coupons from U-Colorado's bookstore the year before his gang bang action here. But, settling a civil suit, especially in the absence of criminal charges, doesn't make him (or anyone else) a rapist. Participating in a gang bang that turned into accusations of rape might have made him reconsider his life choices even if he didn't rape anyone,

We weren't there and can't know. The parties involved likely can't talk about specifics due to the settlement terms.
Deal with it.

[Liqourish]

With Hammon, what are y'all pointing to to say she'd be a good candidate? I mean, I get there are some posters that dive deep into things like that. But sometimes it reeks of being the in thing to say somebody would be a great candidate.

I'm open to thoughts on her.

Playing accolades:
16 years in the WNBA
6× WNBA All-Star (2003, 2005–2007, 2009, 2011)
2× All-WNBA First Team (2007, 2009)
2× All-WNBA Second Team (2005, 2008)
WNBA assists leader (2007)
WNBA's Top 15 Players of All Time (2011)
WNBA Top 20@20 (2016)
No. 25 retired by San Antonio Stars
Spanish League champion (2010)
Queen's Cup winner (2010)

NBA references:

One of basketball's most prolific scorers, Pau Gasol wrote an open letter about female coaches with an emphasis on Hammon; he said, "I’ve played with some of the best players of this generation … and I’ve played under two of the sharpest minds in the history of sports, in Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich. And I’m telling you: Becky Hammon can coach. I’m not saying she can coach pretty well. I’m not saying she can coach enough to get by. I’m not saying she can coach almost at the level of the NBA’s male coaches. I’m saying: Becky Hammon can coach NBA basketball. Period."

"When you've been around it, you know who can coach and who can't coach," Popovich said. "Becky is one of those people. She's a Steve Kerr. She's a Doc Rivers. She's those kind of people. They have a feel for the game that they want to continue to participate in."

Coaching experience:

-On July 3, 2015, Hammon became the first-ever female head coach in the NBA's Summer League when the Spurs announced she would coach their summer league team. Hammon led the Spurs to the Las Vegas Summer League title on July 20, 2015
-At the 2016 NBA All-Star Game, Hammon became the first woman to be part of an All-Star coaching staff
-During her seventh season with the San Antonio Spurs, on December 30, 2020, Gregg Popovich was ejected in the second quarter of the Spurs' 121–107 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers, Hammon became the first female acting head coach in NBA history.



So Becky has a stunning college career, a top professional player career (including playing in Russia and the Olympics), has already coached under Popovich for 7 years, coached the NBA Summer League, the NBA All-Star game and an NBA game, and has support of NBA players that she has coached.



God knows I love Billups for his time in Detroit, but he has all of 1 year assistant coaching experience under Tyronn Lue in L.A. And Becky doesn't have a rape allegation against her. Does anyone really think he was more qualified than Hammon for a head coaching position? If so, why? They both played professionally 16-17 years. They both were All-Stars. But Becky has actually never left the court and has real coaching experience in multiple areas. How is Billups more qualified than Becky Hammon? What about Ime Udoka? His stunning NBA career? His assistant coaching in San Antonio with Becky? What makes him more qualified?

[Liqourish]

I was aware of this back when Chauncey was a Piston, and brought it up on here years back.

The "Jane Doe" that Chauncey and others allegedly raped was not exactly the most credible witness, AFAICT. She reported that she was assaulted to the police the day after the alleged rape, after the medical exam and rape kit. A grand jury was assembled at the time to investigate, and ultimately criminal charges were NEVER filed against Billups or any of the other alleged rapists. Was that a good call? I dunno. But, it was the call made at the time, with fresh memories and testimonies.

So, half a year later, "Jane Doe" filed a civil case. Because Antoine Walker had money at the time and fought it more rather than settling (likely a precursor to Walker ending up with broke), there were additional case filings where it appeared that the alleged victim was a nutjob and there may not have even been a rape. But, rape shield law applies even in civil suits, so you have "Jane Doe" whose past activities cannot generally be considered. Fighting that takes not just money but time, and NBA careers are short.

Clearly, Chauncey was no choir boy. He wasn't making good choices as his basketball star was on the rise. Hell, he stole video rental coupons from U-Colorado's bookstore the year before his gang bang action here. But, settling a civil suit, especially in the absence of criminal charges, doesn't make him (or anyone else) a rapist. Participating in a gang bang that turned into accusations of rape might have made him reconsider his life choices even if he didn't rape anyone,

We weren't there and can't know. The parties involved likely can't talk about specifics due to the settlement terms.
Deal with it.

And yet you've made your mind up regarding the anonymous "nutjob" accuser.

[Manocad]

With Hammon, what are y'all pointing to to say she'd be a good candidate? I mean, I get there are some posters that dive deep into things like that. But sometimes it reeks of being the in thing to say somebody would be a great candidate.

I'm open to thoughts on her.

Playing accolades:
16 years in the WNBA
6× WNBA All-Star (2003, 2005–2007, 2009, 2011)
2× All-WNBA First Team (2007, 2009)
2× All-WNBA Second Team (2005, 2008)
WNBA assists leader (2007)
WNBA's Top 15 Players of All Time (2011)
WNBA Top 20@20 (2016)
No. 25 retired by San Antonio Stars
Spanish League champion (2010)
Queen's Cup winner (2010)

NBA references:

One of basketball's most prolific scorers, Pau Gasol wrote an open letter about female coaches with an emphasis on Hammon; he said, "I’ve played with some of the best players of this generation … and I’ve played under two of the sharpest minds in the history of sports, in Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich. And I’m telling you: Becky Hammon can coach. I’m not saying she can coach pretty well. I’m not saying she can coach enough to get by. I’m not saying she can coach almost at the level of the NBA’s male coaches. I’m saying: Becky Hammon can coach NBA basketball. Period."

"When you've been around it, you know who can coach and who can't coach," Popovich said. "Becky is one of those people. She's a Steve Kerr. She's a Doc Rivers. She's those kind of people. They have a feel for the game that they want to continue to participate in."

Coaching experience:

-On July 3, 2015, Hammon became the first-ever female head coach in the NBA's Summer League when the Spurs announced she would coach their summer league team. Hammon led the Spurs to the Las Vegas Summer League title on July 20, 2015
-At the 2016 NBA All-Star Game, Hammon became the first woman to be part of an All-Star coaching staff
-During her seventh season with the San Antonio Spurs, on December 30, 2020, Gregg Popovich was ejected in the second quarter of the Spurs' 121–107 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers, Hammon became the first female acting head coach in NBA history.



So Becky has a stunning college career, a top professional player career (including playing in Russia and the Olympics), has already coached under Popovich for 7 years, coached the NBA Summer League, the NBA All-Star game and an NBA game, and has support of NBA players that she has coached.



God knows I love Billups for his time in Detroit, but he has all of 1 year assistant coaching experience under Tyronn Lue in L.A. And Becky doesn't have a rape allegation against her. Does anyone really think he was more qualified than Hammon for a head coaching position? If so, why? They both played professionally 16-17 years. They both were All-Stars. But Becky has actually never left the court and has real coaching experience in multiple areas. How is Billups more qualified than Becky Hammon? What about Ime Udoka? His stunning NBA career? His assistant coaching in San Antonio with Becky? What makes him more qualified?

Certainly a compelling case but none of us interviewed either one of them and aren't qualified to answer those questions. Maybe Chauncey killed it in his interview with personality, presented a great analysis of the team, goals he wanted to achieve if he got the job and how to go about achieving those goals. Conversely, maybe Becky didn't interview as well. Obviously all of that is hypothetical; I'm just saying that in MANY jobs it's not uncommon at all for one candidate to beat out another having a more impressive resume based on a better interview.

[Manocad]

I was aware of this back when Chauncey was a Piston, and brought it up on here years back.

The "Jane Doe" that Chauncey and others allegedly raped was not exactly the most credible witness, AFAICT. She reported that she was assaulted to the police the day after the alleged rape, after the medical exam and rape kit. A grand jury was assembled at the time to investigate, and ultimately criminal charges were NEVER filed against Billups or any of the other alleged rapists. Was that a good call? I dunno. But, it was the call made at the time, with fresh memories and testimonies.

So, half a year later, "Jane Doe" filed a civil case. Because Antoine Walker had money at the time and fought it more rather than settling (likely a precursor to Walker ending up with broke), there were additional case filings where it appeared that the alleged victim was a nutjob and there may not have even been a rape. But, rape shield law applies even in civil suits, so you have "Jane Doe" whose past activities cannot generally be considered. Fighting that takes not just money but time, and NBA careers are short.

Clearly, Chauncey was no choir boy. He wasn't making good choices as his basketball star was on the rise. Hell, he stole video rental coupons from U-Colorado's bookstore the year before his gang bang action here. But, settling a civil suit, especially in the absence of criminal charges, doesn't make him (or anyone else) a rapist. Participating in a gang bang that turned into accusations of rape might have made him reconsider his life choices even if he didn't rape anyone,

We weren't there and can't know. The parties involved likely can't talk about specifics due to the settlement terms.
Deal with it.

And yet you've made your mind up regarding the anonymous "nutjob" accuser.

To be fair, the context did allude to the idea that she appeared to be nutjob based on the filings, i.e. was speculated by others/the media/whatever at that time as having issues, not that that was his specific analysis.

[Pharaoh]

With Hammon, what are y'all pointing to to say she'd be a good candidate? I mean, I get there are some posters that dive deep into things like that. But sometimes it reeks of being the in thing to say somebody would be a great candidate.

I'm open to thoughts on her.

Playing accolades:
16 years in the WNBA
6× WNBA All-Star (2003, 2005–2007, 2009, 2011)
2× All-WNBA First Team (2007, 2009)
2× All-WNBA Second Team (2005, 2008)
WNBA assists leader (2007)
WNBA's Top 15 Players of All Time (2011)
WNBA Top 20@20 (2016)
No. 25 retired by San Antonio Stars
Spanish League champion (2010)
Queen's Cup winner (2010)

NBA references:

One of basketball's most prolific scorers, Pau Gasol wrote an open letter about female coaches with an emphasis on Hammon; he said, "I’ve played with some of the best players of this generation … and I’ve played under two of the sharpest minds in the history of sports, in Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich. And I’m telling you: Becky Hammon can coach. I’m not saying she can coach pretty well. I’m not saying she can coach enough to get by. I’m not saying she can coach almost at the level of the NBA’s male coaches. I’m saying: Becky Hammon can coach NBA basketball. Period."

"When you've been around it, you know who can coach and who can't coach," Popovich said. "Becky is one of those people. She's a Steve Kerr. She's a Doc Rivers. She's those kind of people. They have a feel for the game that they want to continue to participate in."

Coaching experience:

-On July 3, 2015, Hammon became the first-ever female head coach in the NBA's Summer League when the Spurs announced she would coach their summer league team. Hammon led the Spurs to the Las Vegas Summer League title on July 20, 2015
-At the 2016 NBA All-Star Game, Hammon became the first woman to be part of an All-Star coaching staff
-During her seventh season with the San Antonio Spurs, on December 30, 2020, Gregg Popovich was ejected in the second quarter of the Spurs' 121–107 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers, Hammon became the first female acting head coach in NBA history.



So Becky has a stunning college career, a top professional player career (including playing in Russia and the Olympics), has already coached under Popovich for 7 years, coached the NBA Summer League, the NBA All-Star game and an NBA game, and has support of NBA players that she has coached.



God knows I love Billups for his time in Detroit, but he has all of 1 year assistant coaching experience under Tyronn Lue in L.A. And Becky doesn't have a rape allegation against her. Does anyone really think he was more qualified than Hammon for a head coaching position? If so, why? They both played professionally 16-17 years. They both were All-Stars. But Becky has actually never left the court and has real coaching experience in multiple areas. How is Billups more qualified than Becky Hammon? What about Ime Udoka? His stunning NBA career? His assistant coaching in San Antonio with Becky? What makes him more qualified?

Leadership is not about your resume.

Her's is impressive but at the end of the day she didn't get the gig for whatever reason Portland want to claim.

Personally I wouldn't have a issue with hiring her, even knowing the fall out that will come once I gotta fire her!

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[Liqourish]

He asked what points to her being a good candidate. And said he was open to thoughts on her. I followed the WNBA, and Hammons career, these are her qualifications and my thoughts on her.