Hot and Heavy with the Hawks (Drummond Trade Rumors go National)

[rmfc]

Hmmm...

Chandler Parsons + Evan Turner + FRP for Andre Drummond and Tony Snell passes the trade checker...

Not saying this would be ideal for both sides though

Yikes!

Does any team in the league have any need for either of Parsons/Turner? Even for free?

[flow]

I don't see Drummond & Collins together. Wonder what Atl is up to.

[Snakebites]

Hmmm...

Chandler Parsons + Evan Turner + FRP for Andre Drummond and Tony Snell passes the trade checker...

Not saying this would be ideal for both sides though

Yikes!

Does any team in the league have any need for either of Parsons/Turner? Even for free?

They're salary filler, and both have contracts ending this year.

If we do a trade like that it's all about the first rounder. Turner and Parsons would likely not even play.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah, I don't know the Celtics' interest - Hayward and Romeo sounds to me like an overpay. Drummond and Hayward both have opt-outs this summer, Drummond is younger, but Hayward, even with that killer injury, is a better player, and a much much smarter one. He's just not a big.

If you're trying to dump money Boston isn't necessarily the team, but since Hayward makes more than Dre, Hayward/Kanter looks like it matches for Drummond/Snell/Galloway..

As a Boston fan, I'd love a deal that sends out Hayward and nets us more than Drummond - like, Hayward, Semi Ojeleye to Miami, Winslow, Drummond and Galloway to Boston, Dragic, Kanter and the C's MIL 1st to Detroit.

[vic]

On 2nd thought, gambling that BK misses the playoffs when they have Dinwiddie the Piston Destroyer (who should be the Pistons starting PG right now) is a bad gamble for me.

I'm trying to find a for sure extra first rounder. A 2nd round pick for Dre won't cut it.

[vic]

The East is horrible this year, BK is 7th in the East with a losing record. Trading Dre for the BK pick is trading him for a 2023 2nd Rounder.

Not happening Ed.

[vic]

The only reason the national media is pushing this trade is because it's a dumb move for the Pistons.
I'm tired of the Pistons making dumb deals that show no self-respect or patience. It's obvious to everyone that the Nets are going to make the playoffs that's why Atlanta probably leaked this deal so the media can push it thru.

No Ed! Have some self-respect!

[kpt]

I could be wrong but if the nets make the playoffs then Atl gets their pic.

[The Moose]

On 2nd thought, gambling that BK misses the playoffs when they have Dinwiddie the Piston Destroyer (who should be the Pistons starting PG right now) is a bad gamble for me.

I'm trying to find a for sure extra first rounder. A 2nd round pick for Dre won't cut it.

what in the world are you talking about? its the other way around. If Nets make the playoffs, then the pick is traded

[MotownMadness]

The East is horrible this year, BK is 7th in the East with a losing record. Trading Dre for the BK pick is trading him for a 2023 2nd Rounder.

Not happening Ed.

Your backwards on the protection. The pick converts if Brooklyn makes the playoffs. Its lottery protected meaning the only way the pick doesnt convert is if Brooklyn doesnt make the playoffs over the next 3 years

[DetroitPistons]

FYI: Looks like Turner and Parsons are both inactive tonight for Atlanta with no reasons given.

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ESPN keeps saying 2020 1st and cap relief is what we are after. Obviously Blake wouldnt be involved so is Snell maybe in the proposed deal cause thats really are only other bad contract.

The article says at the end of the second paragraph that a potential deal would include other assets. Only deals I'm interested in are for either Reddish and the BKN pick or Hunter. I'm sick of self loathing Piston fans constantly devaluing their players. Drummond is a very good player who is just entering his prime. We shouldn't be giving him up for cap relief (which Drummond ALSO provides us anyway) and garbage.

[Manocad]

FYI: Looks like Turner and Parsons are both inactive tonight for Atlanta with no reasons given.

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ESPN keeps saying 2020 1st and cap relief is what we are after. Obviously Blake wouldnt be involved so is Snell maybe in the proposed deal cause thats really are only other bad contract.

The article says at the end of the second paragraph that a potential deal would include other assets. Only deals I'm interested in are for either Reddish and the BKN pick or Hunter. I'm sick of self loathing Piston fans constantly devaluing their players. Drummond is a very good player who is just entering his prime. We shouldn't be giving him up for cap relief (which Drummond ALSO provides us anyway) and garbage.

Dre's worth to other teams in the league isn't decided by the so-called "self loathing Piston fans" (you're not using the term in proper context), or self-proclaimed geniuses who blow sunshine up their own asses. It's decided by the teams willing to make a deal for Dre. Dre is no different than any other thing for sale--his worth in the market isn't determined by the price the Pistons put on him. It's determined by what he actually sells for, i.e. what another team is willing to pay.

[Snakebites]

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ESPN keeps saying 2020 1st and cap relief is what we are after. Obviously Blake wouldnt be involved so is Snell maybe in the proposed deal cause thats really are only other bad contract.

The article says at the end of the second paragraph that a potential deal would include other assets. Only deals I'm interested in are for either Reddish and the BKN pick or Hunter. I'm sick of self loathing Piston fans constantly devaluing their players. Drummond is a very good player who is just entering his prime. We shouldn't be giving him up for cap relief (which Drummond ALSO provides us anyway) and garbage.

Dre's worth to other teams in the league isn't decided by the so-called "self loathing Piston fans" (you're not using the term in proper context), or self-proclaimed geniuses who blow sunshine up their own asses. It's decided by the teams willing to make a deal for Dre. Dre is no different than any other thing for sale--his worth in the market isn't determined by the price the Pistons put on him. It's determined by what he actually sells for, i.e. what another team is willing to pay.

My worry is that no deal will be made because our FO May have a wildly unrealistic view of Dre’s value.

[MotownMadness]

The article says at the end of the second paragraph that a potential deal would include other assets. Only deals I'm interested in are for either Reddish and the BKN pick or Hunter. I'm sick of self loathing Piston fans constantly devaluing their players. Drummond is a very good player who is just entering his prime. We shouldn't be giving him up for cap relief (which Drummond ALSO provides us anyway) and garbage.

Dre's worth to other teams in the league isn't decided by the so-called "self loathing Piston fans" (you're not using the term in proper context), or self-proclaimed geniuses who blow sunshine up their own asses. It's decided by the teams willing to make a deal for Dre. Dre is no different than any other thing for sale--his worth in the market isn't determined by the price the Pistons put on him. It's determined by what he actually sells for, i.e. what another team is willing to pay.

My worry is that no deal will be made because our FO May have a wildly unrealistic view of Dre’s value.

This is where im at cause im trying to think from the other sides perspective and theres no way im even giving up that Brooklyn pick while sitting on 7 wins and Drummond on a expiring deal.

I mean unless they are just dead set on him being the guy they want in FA and dont want to take any chances so they want to acquire his Bird Rights then i dont get it.

At this point ill gladly take the pick or Reddish by itself and start working towards Ls to rebuild.

[MotownMadness]

Woj said we've been having discussions with them for a couple weeks now and even both owners have been talking and getting involved so im sure theres a shock on what Gores is hearing for returns on him

[SamFlow]

Dre, Blake, Snell, Maker, Khyri
for
Parsons, Turner, Crabbe, Len, and either Parker or Reddish and the BK pick
....
Cap relief... a flyer on parker or reddish, and a pick.

[DetroitPistons]

This is where im at cause im trying to think from the other sides perspective and theres no way im even giving up that Brooklyn pick while sitting on 7 wins and Drummond on a expiring deal.

I mean unless they are just dead set on him being the guy they want in FA and dont want to take any chances so they want to acquire his Bird Rights then i dont get it.

At this point ill gladly take the pick or Reddish by itself and start working towards Ls to rebuild.

I think it makes a lot of sense. Collins is not a rim protector and with him expanding his range he will fit perfectly at PF with Drummond at C. ATL also already has a ton of rookie contracts so they should have no problem spending some of that money on a veteran center in his prime that fills exactly what they need. Keep in mind they are on pace for the #1 pick. They don't need anymore picks. They need proven players. If they did the BKN pick and Reddish for Drummond trade they could very easily look like this next year:

Young
Edwards
Hunter
Collins
Drummond

with Huerter and Parker and a ton of capspace still. That is a championship team in like a year or 2.

We should be asking for the BKN pick and Hunter. If they refuse we can settle for just Hunter. Trading a near 18/16/3/2/2 plus defender in his prime center for useless mediocre picks and expirings is a dumb move imo.

[MotownMadness]

This is where im at cause im trying to think from the other sides perspective and theres no way im even giving up that Brooklyn pick while sitting on 7 wins and Drummond on a expiring deal.

I mean unless they are just dead set on him being the guy they want in FA and dont want to take any chances so they want to acquire his Bird Rights then i dont get it.

At this point ill gladly take the pick or Reddish by itself and start working towards Ls to rebuild.

I think it makes a lot of sense. Collins is not a rim protector and with him expanding his range he will fit perfectly at PF with Drummond at C. ATL also already has a ton of rookie contracts so they should have no problem spending some of that money on a veteran center in his prime that fills exactly what they need. Keep in mind they are on pace for the #1 pick. They don't need anymore picks. They need proven players. If they did the BKN pick and Reddish for Drummond trade they could very easily look like this next year:

Young
Edwards
Hunter
Collins
Drummond

with Huerter and Parker and a ton of capspace still. That is a championship team in like a year or 2.

We should be asking for the BKN pick and Hunter. If they refuse we can settle for just Hunter. Trading a near 18/16/3/2/2 plus defender in his prime center for useless mediocre picks and expirings is a dumb move imo.

Better then losing him for nothing. That Brooklyn pick will at least be in the teens and theres no way im resigning that guy at what he wants. Those raw numbers mean nothing to me cause ive seen him his whole career and know what his impact is.

You max him out and your completely screwed. Hawks might get away with it having so many rookie contracts but a team in our position would be toast til his contract runs out.

Also with his motor i could only imagine how he starts to give a crap after this next big pay day.

But yeah were not getting Hunter. And thats not that i think Hunter will ever be even as good as Drummond but the situation just doesnt warrant a asset return like that

[theBigLip]

Definitely rebuilding time. Dre is not resigning, or if he did, we would have to seriously overpay. Let's trade him for a good pick and expirings. Then Blake needs to get healthy enough. I think after last year, teams realize he is still an All Star player. The risk is much less with just two more years on his deal. If he can just get back to playing consistently, he can be flipped too. Again, picks and expirings, but I assume we'd have to take back a smaller bad contract to make the deal fly. If we move both Dre and Blake, possibly even Rose who has some real value, and let RJ expire, we can really start from scratch next year rather than being in NBA no mans land.

[DetroitPistons]

This is where im at cause im trying to think from the other sides perspective and theres no way im even giving up that Brooklyn pick while sitting on 7 wins and Drummond on a expiring deal.

I mean unless they are just dead set on him being the guy they want in FA and dont want to take any chances so they want to acquire his Bird Rights then i dont get it.

At this point ill gladly take the pick or Reddish by itself and start working towards Ls to rebuild.

I think it makes a lot of sense. Collins is not a rim protector and with him expanding his range he will fit perfectly at PF with Drummond at C. ATL also already has a ton of rookie contracts so they should have no problem spending some of that money on a veteran center in his prime that fills exactly what they need. Keep in mind they are on pace for the #1 pick. They don't need anymore picks. They need proven players. If they did the BKN pick and Reddish for Drummond trade they could very easily look like this next year:

Young
Edwards
Hunter
Collins
Drummond

with Huerter and Parker and a ton of capspace still. That is a championship team in like a year or 2.

We should be asking for the BKN pick and Hunter. If they refuse we can settle for just Hunter. Trading a near 18/16/3/2/2 plus defender in his prime center for useless mediocre picks and expirings is a dumb move imo.

Better then losing him for nothing. That Brooklyn pick will at least be in the teens and theres no way im resigning that guy at what he wants. Those raw numbers mean nothing to me cause ive seen him his whole career and know what his impact is.

You max him out and your completely screwed. Hawks might get away with it having so many rookie contracts but a team in our position would be toast til his contract runs out.

Also with his motor i could only imagine how he starts to give a crap after this next big pay day.

But yeah were not getting Hunter. And thats not that i think Hunter will ever be even as good as Drummond but the situation just doesnt warrant a asset return like that

There are other things people are ignoring as well. I've read a few articles now that reference sources who say that no team is planning on offering him max money and one source said he expects Drummond to sign somewhere for between 20 and 25mil per year. That is a steal. So I disagree that he is about to cripple some franchise. Just the opposite. He is also apparently really close friends with Trae Young so that should go a long ways in him wanting to resign. I would be shocked if he didn't resign with them. Both of those factors also increase his trade value.