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What's our record, if no more trades.

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What will our record be?

22 or fewer wins = Win % = or less than last year and a likely top 5 draft pick
20
49%
23-28 wins = Slightly better than last year, but no top 5 draft pick and no playoffs
15
37%
29-35 Wins = Just below .500, but still in the "Win & In" tournament 7/8/9/10 seed East
5
12%
36+ Wins = .500 or above, exceeding all expectations for the season.
1
2%
 
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Post#21 » by Pharaoh » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:56 pm

bstein14 wrote:Maybe we're worse than I think. After getting Grant I felt like we're going to be stuck in mediocrity again BUT we currently have the worst odds to win the title in Vegas at 500 to 1 tied at the bottom with New York, Cleveland, and Chicago. We're all 300 to 1 to win the East.

When it comes to overs/under for regular season win totals the Pistons have the 4th lowest win total prediction line at 24.5 games ahead of only New York, Cleveland, and Charlotte.

Maybe we actually will finally bottom out and get a top 3 draft pick in 2021.
Of course we'll bottom out!

Even assuming the worst from our FO & Coaches and they roll out:

Plumlee 30
Blake 30
Grant 33
McGruder 30
Rose 30

That line up will get blown off the floor!

I've read a few posts on here claiming free agency was the same old "compete for the playoffs" Pistons of old - I don't know how anyone can believe that

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Post#22 » by guldakot » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:59 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Maybe we're worse than I think. After getting Grant I felt like we're going to be stuck in mediocrity again BUT we currently have the worst odds to win the title in Vegas at 500 to 1 tied at the bottom with New York, Cleveland, and Chicago. We're all 300 to 1 to win the East.

When it comes to overs/under for regular season win totals the Pistons have the 4th lowest win total prediction line at 24.5 games ahead of only New York, Cleveland, and Charlotte.

Maybe we actually will finally bottom out and get a top 3 draft pick in 2021.
Of course we'll bottom out!

Even assuming the worst from our FO & Coaches and they roll out:

Plumlee 30
Blake 30
Grant 33
McGruder 30
Rose 30

That line up will get blown off the floor!

I've read a few posts on here claiming free agency was the same old "compete for the playoffs" Pistons of old - I don't know how anyone can believe that

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The only cog that could inflate our win percentage is Derrick Rose, hes still good enough to give you an extra 5-10 wins. I don't care if its for nothing, we need him off this roster, he is actually too good to have on this team right now.
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Post#23 » by edmunder_prc » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:21 am

Pharaoh wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Maybe we're worse than I think. After getting Grant I felt like we're going to be stuck in mediocrity again BUT we currently have the worst odds to win the title in Vegas at 500 to 1 tied at the bottom with New York, Cleveland, and Chicago. We're all 300 to 1 to win the East.

When it comes to overs/under for regular season win totals the Pistons have the 4th lowest win total prediction line at 24.5 games ahead of only New York, Cleveland, and Charlotte.

Maybe we actually will finally bottom out and get a top 3 draft pick in 2021.
Of course we'll bottom out!

Even assuming the worst from our FO & Coaches and they roll out:

Plumlee 30
Blake 30
Grant 33
McGruder 30
Rose 30

That line up will get blown off the floor!

I've read a few posts on here claiming free agency was the same old "compete for the playoffs" Pistons of old - I don't know how anyone can believe that

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The funny thing is, that line-up isn't even possible.

Blake and Rose can not play 30 minutes with back to backs. Not going to happen. Blake will tear his knee and Rose will have some kind of leg issue.

Plumlee is a 17-21 minute a night guy for the last 5 years. If he plays more than 22 minutes a game here, I would be shocked. Its just not his game at all. Hes the guy running as fast as he can, setting 2-3 screens on a play, diving for balls. But he doesnt play minutes.

So even worse case scenario, its impossible.

Grant could play 35 minutes a game maybe? He looks awesome, so why not try it!

McGruder is another 15-25 minute a night guy. He might get waived and stretched.
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Post#24 » by Kp junior » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:40 am

It’s a significantly worse team than last year, and have added a lot more young pieces. Should be well placed for a number 1 pick in the draft, we’re due


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Post#25 » by Snakebites » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:06 am

Kp junior wrote:It’s a significantly worse team than last year, and have added a lot more young pieces. Should be well placed for a number 1 pick in the draft, we’re due


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Tanking isn’t what it used to be thanks to new lottery odds.

That does benefit us- a team that refuses to properly tank- though.

Being the 8th-10th worst team is no longer a hopeless purgatory.
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Post#26 » by Kp junior » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:12 am

We’re more like a 2nd or 3rd worst team o. The league surely


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Post#27 » by Pharaoh » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:30 am

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Kp junior wrote:It’s a significantly worse team than last year, and have added a lot more young pieces. Should be well placed for a number 1 pick in the draft, we’re due


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Tanking isn’t what it used to be thanks to new lottery odds.

That does benefit us- a team that refuses to properly tank- though.

Being the 8th-10th worst team is no longer a hopeless purgatory.
Seriously doubt we are in that 7-12 range that we've all become accustomed to!

We are going to suck and these cap gymnastics is just a means of paving the way for the future.

Seems it's full blown Hinkie or all out contention for a title with some people.

Patience and groundwork is needed

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Post#28 » by ElectricMayhem » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:44 am

30-42 sound about right.
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Post#29 » by SamFlow » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:52 am

Really depends on if we play the young guys allowing them to learn, or just go all out for the wins.

Rose will not start. Not gonna happen unless we just wasted a lottery pick of Hayes. Hayes should start unless he flops. Then it might be Delon and Rose backs him up.

I imagine:

Hayes/Rose
Svi/Delon
Josh/Sekou
Blake/Grant
Grant/the backups. And rookies splattered across the board. Centers will be based on matchups.

I think alot of the year will depend on Josh and sekou's development and the rest of the team staying healthy.
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Post#30 » by zeebneeb » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:52 pm

I'm hoping for the #1 pick in the 2021 draft, but I'm afraid Hayes is going to have a huge impact not needing a year or two to become fantastic.

Wierd team put together and one of those times I need to see a few games before I can even begin to call what kind of record they will end up with. I'm actually kind if surprised some people here seem so confident sounding in their predictions.

I have no idea what to expect out of this group let alone make a prediction.
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Post#31 » by TPA » Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:22 am

Yikes, I just researched Detroit was dead-last in rebounding last year. And that with Drummond on the roster for most of the season gobbling 15+ per game. This season, we'll be worse. We have to be, right? Add that to the long list of predictors that this team should be awful this season.
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Post#32 » by Canadafan » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:31 am

TPA wrote:Yikes, I just researched Detroit was dead-last in rebounding last year. And that with Drummond on the roster for most of the season gobbling 15+ per game. This season, we'll be worse. We have to be, right? Add that to the long list of predictors that this team should be awful this season.


Nah everyone just funnelled the boards to that big lazy oaf. Guarantee we are a better rebounding team without him
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Post#33 » by jakebernat » Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:09 am

Canadafan wrote:
TPA wrote:Yikes, I just researched Detroit was dead-last in rebounding last year. And that with Drummond on the roster for most of the season gobbling 15+ per game. This season, we'll be worse. We have to be, right? Add that to the long list of predictors that this team should be awful this season.


Nah everyone just funnelled the boards to that big lazy oaf. Guarantee we are a better rebounding team without him


pretty much this. drummond has got to be the most overrated rebounder and defender of the 2000s. he puts forth 0 effort and relies on his physical gifts to accomplish anything. you never see him box anyone out, rarely moves his feet to stay in front of his man, constantly gambles in the passing lanes, and bites on an insane amount of pump fakes.

on top of all of that, he’s a terrible rapper. good riddance.
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Post#34 » by pistonsbball » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:42 am

If Blake and D Rose are healthy I expect us to start well, before the schedule overwhelms them and/or trades are made. 26-46.

Sekou's the biggest X factor, if he takes a surprise leap then we've all of a sudden got a lot of size and firepower on the wings. Best case (worst for tanking) is we're fighting for the 8 seed.
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Post#35 » by bstein14 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:50 am

I'd say at worst we are 20-52 which is what we should all be hoping for. At best we're probably 32-40 which puts us out of a likely top draft pick.

I'm actually wondering how the draft lottery will work with the play-in games. If you finish 10th in the conference but you win one or two of the play in games and get that 8th seed how will that impact your draft standing?
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Post#36 » by TPA » Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:27 am

jakebernat wrote:
Canadafan wrote:
TPA wrote:Yikes, I just researched Detroit was dead-last in rebounding last year. And that with Drummond on the roster for most of the season gobbling 15+ per game. This season, we'll be worse. We have to be, right? Add that to the long list of predictors that this team should be awful this season.


Nah everyone just funnelled the boards to that big lazy oaf. Guarantee we are a better rebounding team without him


pretty much this. drummond has got to be the most overrated rebounder and defender of the 2000s. he puts forth 0 effort and relies on his physical gifts to accomplish anything. you never see him box anyone out, rarely moves his feet to stay in front of his man, constantly gambles in the passing lanes, and bites on an insane amount of pump fakes.

on top of all of that, he’s a terrible rapper. good riddance.

Drummond may have been a "big lazy oaf", but he averaged 15+ RPG on the season. After Drummonds's departure, our best total rebounder was Christian Wood who grabbed an average of 9.9 boards per game... And we view him as a high motor guy. That "lazy oaf" Drummond grabbed 10 boards on a bad night. After Drummond was traded, the Pistons' total rebound average plummeted to 38.5 rebounds/game.

While I wish there were nowhere to go but up from that collective team average, I don't see a single player on the current roster who's per/36 average breaks 10 reb/game, except Plumlee. Okafor at 9.8/36. And I don't think either is going to get enough minutes to provide a bang for buck minute allotment to supplement Dre and Wood's contribution. Jerami Grant? 4.7 RPG/36. Blake averaged <8 RPG/36 min in 18/19 season, a good year... So where are we going to make up the gap with the roster we're going to field?

Maybe we improve our team rebounding average floor of 41/RPG from last season. I don't see the roster personnel that lead me to believe that we'll be any better.

I predict this team gets killed on the boards regularly. Again, another predictor of a miserable season.
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Post#37 » by Canadafan » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:08 pm

^^^^fingers crossed^^^^
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Post#38 » by The Moose » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:56 pm

Honestly have no idea how this season will go because of COVID.

The standings could be all over the place if certain players on certain teams get COVID while others don’t. The season could be shortened in general , etc etc

It’s anyone’s guess at this point
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Post#39 » by Billl » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:47 pm

I'm not sure blake can be less healthy than last year, and we signed multiple vets..... so I picked B slightly better than last year. Hopefully casey surprises and we ride the rookies to a bottom 5 record.
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Post#40 » by Invictus88 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:03 pm

I see us bottoming out early on; with the teams not included in the bubble at a distinct disadvantage compared to folks able to pick up where they left off last year.

I also see a bunch of meaningless wins down the stretch as our young guys learn to play a bit. I do see the bubble teams falling off a bit in the second half as the lack of much of an offseason catches up with them.

Sadly I picked 23-28 wins due to the unnecessary FA signings. We really should have used that room to take an albatross contract along with picks.

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