Run it Back or Upgrade?

[Phenomenonsense]

I said it in the Giannis thread but I'll put it here too. I'd like to facilitate a trade for Giannis more than trying to bring him in. I'd like to see if we can't steal Jabari Smith by helping to facilitate a Giannis to the Rockets situation. I feel like Sabonis might be worth kicking the tires on, but I'd prefer Markk. I say throw a pick at Lauri to see if it works, but that contract means I'm not trying to send too much their way. I think Ron Holland is the young player that we need to trade away to get some help, even if I think he will have better offensive skills soon.

[VicVinegar]

Eh. This one was first and is the one people are posting in. I’ll lock mine.

I don’t think we need to be desperate to make a move, but we should be pursuing upgrades.

JJJ and Bam Adebayo would be great depending on the price.

JJJ would be very interesting, assuming he'd sign an extension. You think he could play PF? Cause I think management is probably sold on Duren considering they turned down the Lakers. And Duren is definitely not a PF.

[Snakebites]

I said it in the Giannis thread but I'll put it here too. I'd like to facilitate a trade for Giannis more than trying to bring him in. I'd like to see if we can't steal Jabari Smith by helping to facilitate a Giannis to the Rockets situation. I feel like Sabonis might be worth kicking the tires on, but I'd prefer Markk. I say throw a pick at Lauri to see if it works, but that contract means I'm not trying to send too much their way. I think Ron Holland is the young player that we need to trade away to get some help, even if I think he will have better offensive skills soon.

What do you see us bringing to a trade that the Bucks would value over Smith?

[ComboGuardCity]

I think we essentially need a player like Tobias but better. A guy who is a calming influence and you can throw the ball to him and get his own shot. That’s a star so they don’t exactly grow on trees.

Guys who fit that mold and will be potentially be available:

1. Devin Booker - he’s going to cost a lot
2. Kevin Durant - he’s going to cost slightly less but his window is very limited
3. Giannis - they’re not trading him within the division most likely
4. Trae Young - no thanks

You can also hope 2 guys on the current roster become that guy like Cade and one of Ivey, Ausar, Holland. However, I think you’d be wasting a valuable window where parity is king in the NBA. Not saying we should trade the farm but if one of Ivey, Duren or Holland + a pick can get us an all star, we probably have to do it. Ivey and Duren especially will be paid like stars in a year so either we have to believe they are them, or now is the time to upgrade to find HIM

[DetroitSho]

Beasley had an out of this world anomaly of a season. We cannot rely on him to repeat what he did in the regular season next year. Hopefully our young guys take another leap but I think we also need to go out and get more explosive talent.

I agree. I think this was a clear outlier season from him.

I absolutely do NOT want Jaren Jackson Jr. He has been ATROCIOUS every time he's been in the playoffs, cant rebound to save his life and is up for a super max extension assuming he makes all nba.

He's not up for a super max and even then that wouldn't matter if he's traded prior to extending.

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[Snakebites]

Eh. This one was first and is the one people are posting in. I’ll lock mine.

I don’t think we need to be desperate to make a move, but we should be pursuing upgrades.

JJJ and Bam Adebayo would be great depending on the price.

JJJ would be very interesting, assuming he'd sign an extension. You think he could play PF? Cause I think management is probably sold on Duren considering they turned down the Lakers. And Duren is definitely not a PF.

I think he’s mobile enough and his range makes him a potential offensive fit. He’s played the 4 a lot already. Not sure it’s his best spot though.

The Lakers package was absolutely not anything special and we were in the midst of a run to the playoffs. I wouldn’t read all that much into turning down that deal.

[DetroitSho]

Eh. This one was first and is the one people are posting in. I’ll lock mine.

I don’t think we need to be desperate to make a move, but we should be pursuing upgrades.

JJJ and Bam Adebayo would be great depending on the price.

JJJ would be very interesting, assuming he'd sign an extension. You think he could play PF? Cause I think management is probably sold on Duren considering they turned down the Lakers. And Duren is definitely not a PF.

I'm confused. What position do you think JJJ currently plays?

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[Phenomenonsense]

I said it in the Giannis thread but I'll put it here too. I'd like to facilitate a trade for Giannis more than trying to bring him in. I'd like to see if we can't steal Jabari Smith by helping to facilitate a Giannis to the Rockets situation. I feel like Sabonis might be worth kicking the tires on, but I'd prefer Markk. I say throw a pick at Lauri to see if it works, but that contract means I'm not trying to send too much their way. I think Ron Holland is the young player that we need to trade away to get some help, even if I think he will have better offensive skills soon.

What do you see us bringing to a trade that the Bucks would value over Smith?

Presumably financial flexibility and draft capital, perhaps Holland.

[VicVinegar]

I know he's PF/C but I haven't seen enough of him to know how they utilize him or what he's best at. For example, Beef Stew was a PF last year. We all know he's better suited at Center.

[Fennis Dembo]

I've been on the Durant train for months. Then there's Lauri and a dark horse JJJ.

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I wouldnt touch Lauri, but JJJ would be a (very doubtful) dream

I'm not married to it, but why not Lauri?

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He's played 56 games per season in 8 years.

[Jeff Van Gully]

nah, can't run it back. this is just the beginning of your rebuild. you can build on this.

running it back is not enough. and you deserve to not settle for that. you gotta take somebody head off next year. do it.

[VicVinegar]

I do think we need to add a piece, but I think it's really understated how much of a difference Ivey should make. Yes he is poop defensively. But I think two of our biggest weaknesses in the series were three point shooting and ball movement outside of Cade. Two things Ivey was great at this year. Cade had 52 assists this series. The other 4 starters? Duren solid at 21. THJ 7. Thompson 6. Tobias 3. That is ABYSMAL that 3 of the starters averaged less than an assist a game between them.

The team played better when Ivey went down this season, but I think people are reading too much in to that, and aren't factoring in that that's when Ausar started ramping up and Duren started playing better.

[GreekAlex]

I said it in the Giannis thread but I'll put it here too. I'd like to facilitate a trade for Giannis more than trying to bring him in. I'd like to see if we can't steal Jabari Smith by helping to facilitate a Giannis to the Rockets situation. I feel like Sabonis might be worth kicking the tires on, but I'd prefer Markk. I say throw a pick at Lauri to see if it works, but that contract means I'm not trying to send too much their way. I think Ron Holland is the young player that we need to trade away to get some help, even if I think he will have better offensive skills soon.

What do you see us bringing to a trade that the Bucks would value over Smith?

Presumably financial flexibility and draft capital, perhaps Holland.

I think Holland has considerably more value than Smith who’s barely getting playoff minutes in his 3rd season.

I’m hoping that Houston has to make a choice between Smith & Eason and we can get one without a huge asset sacrifice.

[Phenomenonsense]

What do you see us bringing to a trade that the Bucks would value over Smith?

Presumably financial flexibility and draft capital, perhaps Holland.

I think Holland has considerably more value than Smith who’s barely getting playoff minutes in his 3rd season.

I’m hoping that Houston has to make a choice between Smith & Eason and we can get one without a huge asset sacrifice.

Sure, that could be the case.I'd love to see it.

[GreekAlex]

nah, can't run it back. this is just the beginning of your rebuild. you can build on this.

running it back is not enough. and you deserve to not settle for that. you gotta take somebody head off next year. do it.

I agree there needs to be upgrades but I’m not from the camp of trading a bunch of our youth and draft capital to build a top heavy roster.

As an objective observer, who do you think we should target specifically? A short list of 3-5 players would help our board get a feel for what our biggest weaknesses are that need to be addressed.

[GreekAlex]

If Cam Johnson didn’t miss so many games, he’d be a decent trade target but it’s difficult to even find matching salary without giving up too much.

[tmorgan]

Maaaaan, we better not trade Holland for whatever upgrade we’re looking for. I know he wasn’t ready for these playoffs, and he was a part-timer as a rookie, but…

Do you realize how rare it is for a 19-year-old rookie to have a positive DBPM? He was a good defender without any relevant experience right off the bat. That’s Detroit basketball. And his offensive potential as a spot-up shooter isn’t anywhere near as big of a longshot as Ausar. And he’s a good finisher.

[bstein14]

I don't think its realistic at all for us to add a borderline all-star.

I think it's we either like the 3 FAs we have and we pay them, or we end up waiving their rights and go after someone else with our $25 million of cap space and then maybe bring back one of those guys with the room exception and maybe even one at the vet min.

[Jeff Van Gully]

nah, can't run it back. this is just the beginning of your rebuild. you can build on this.

running it back is not enough. and you deserve to not settle for that. you gotta take somebody head off next year. do it.

I agree there needs to be upgrades but I’m not from the camp of trading a bunch of our youth and draft capital to build a top heavy roster.

As an objective observer, who do you think we should target specifically? A short list of 3-5 players would help our board get a feel for what our biggest weaknesses are that need to be addressed.

ooh, i'm not really that guy. i imagine there are some good options. i also believe you have the resources and good team to attract some. just get some talent upgrades. you're ready for them. and the league is ready to see it.

so just from a strategic perspective, i say go forth. you're ready. nobody is gonna want this smoke.

[jars]

My gut is to mostly stand pat, but if the right move is there, then I'm happy to take the swing. I don't want to just make a move as a knee jerk reaction. We also don't quite have the assets. If we were to manage to trade for Giannis for example, I think we would have to give up almost our entire core and future (except Cade), which kind of defeats the purpose of getting him in the first place.

Honestly, I think success next year (which I see as doing better than this year) depends on the offensive and shooting progression of Ron Holland and Ausar Thompson. If Langdon doesn't 100% believe they can be league average or better shooters in the next 2 years, then we have to make some bigger moves. Even though our vets have been great, you can't rely on that same output next year, particularly Beasley. I'm not even certain we can afford to keep Beasley and Schroeder next year...