Best Player Available for Fontecchio/ Sasser/ Picks

[GreekAlex]

Fontecchio is negative value and Sasser's value is at best very slightly positive. So this is really picks and "filler".

And it really depends on which picks and how many picks are going into the deal. Keeping that vague frames Sasser and Fontecchio as the main part of this.

It's not clear how much value you're proposing for this package.

It’s a range, I’ll give you both ends and everything else falls in the middle.

High end:
Chet Holmgren would match salaries (clearly OKC isn’t trading him, this is just used to illustration purposes) would get as many unprotected firsts as we can offer.


Low end:
Obi Toppin has 3 years left on his deal and makes slightly more than the 2 players mentioned for salary matching purposes. If the Pacers wanted out of his deal, and decided to break that contract into smaller contracts, they’d get Tech & Sass with second round picks or nothing.


I hope that makes it more clear.

Players like Jabari Smith and Keegan Murray fall somewhere in the middle.

I actually think your Chet example proves the point perfectly. People with young players like that who match in salaries to with that package generally AREN'T looking to trade them. The only guys on rookie contracts teams are looking to trade for future capital are the ones that AREN'T working out at all.

And we shouldn't be doing that.

Wasn’t Chauncey in the category of rookie scale players that weren’t living up to their potential?

I think different opportunities and circumstances could allow players to blossom here.

[Snakebites]

It’s a range, I’ll give you both ends and everything else falls in the middle.

High end:
Chet Holmgren would match salaries (clearly OKC isn’t trading him, this is just used to illustration purposes) would get as many unprotected firsts as we can offer.


Low end:
Obi Toppin has 3 years left on his deal and makes slightly more than the 2 players mentioned for salary matching purposes. If the Pacers wanted out of his deal, and decided to break that contract into smaller contracts, they’d get Tech & Sass with second round picks or nothing.


I hope that makes it more clear.

Players like Jabari Smith and Keegan Murray fall somewhere in the middle.

I actually think your Chet example proves the point perfectly. People with young players like that who match in salaries to with that package generally AREN'T looking to trade them. The only guys on rookie contracts teams are looking to trade for future capital are the ones that AREN'T working out at all.

And we shouldn't be doing that.

Wasn’t Chauncey in the category of rookie scale players that weren’t living up to their potential?

I think different opportunities and circumstances could allow players to blossom here.

I’m not sure what your point is on Chauncey. We acquired him via free agency long after his rookie scale deal ended.

[GreekAlex]

I actually think your Chet example proves the point perfectly. People with young players like that who match in salaries to with that package generally AREN'T looking to trade them. The only guys on rookie contracts teams are looking to trade for future capital are the ones that AREN'T working out at all.

And we shouldn't be doing that.

Wasn’t Chauncey in the category of rookie scale players that weren’t living up to their potential?

I think different opportunities and circumstances could allow players to blossom here.

I’m not sure what your point is on Chauncey. We acquired him via free agency long after his rookie scale deal ended.

We acquired him right after his rookie scale deal (after his 5th season).

My point is that he didn’t have nearly the valuable when he was signed as after he came here and was performing in a different situation.

I believe that a Jabari Smith jr “Type” can come here and play a move valuable role than he’s currently being utilized in Houston.

I’m not trying to pull a Weaver and kick the tires on every bust out lottery pick but if a player just hasn’t lived up to their potential, it might be worth the gamble to unlock it here.

[Phenomenonsense]

I would likely consider Keegan Murray too good to get out of Sac, Markkanen's value is much lower with his significant price tag and down years, but there may be a way to make it work. Jabari would be a great steal. I don't think we get an upgrade without giving out Ivey or Holland, and I'd prefer it be holland, but maybe if we can facilitate a trade somehow between the rockets and bucks, we might be able to squeeze Jabari from just a pick+.

[Snakebites]

Wasn’t Chauncey in the category of rookie scale players that weren’t living up to their potential?

I think different opportunities and circumstances could allow players to blossom here.

I’m not sure what your point is on Chauncey. We acquired him via free agency long after his rookie scale deal ended.

We acquired him right after his rookie scale deal (after his 5th season).

My point is that he didn’t have nearly the valuable when he was signed as after he came here and was performing in a different situation.

I believe that a Jabari Smith jr “Type” can come here and play a move valuable role than he’s currently being utilized in Houston.

I’m not trying to pull a Weaver and kick the tires on every bust out lottery pick but if a player just hasn’t lived up to their potential, it might be worth the gamble to unlock it here.

Untrue. He was on a new deal with the Wolves.

[flow]

Wasn’t Chauncey in the category of rookie scale players that weren’t living up to their potential?

I think different opportunities and circumstances could allow players to blossom here.

I’m not sure what your point is on Chauncey. We acquired him via free agency long after his rookie scale deal ended.

We acquired him right after his rookie scale deal (after his 5th season).

My point is that he didn’t have nearly the valuable when he was signed as after he came here and was performing in a different situation.

I believe that a Jabari Smith jr “Type” can come here and play a move valuable role than he’s currently being utilized in Houston.

I’m not trying to pull a Weaver and kick the tires on every bust out lottery pick but if a player just hasn’t lived up to their potential, it might be worth the gamble to unlock it here.

To me, we're beyond doing that at this point. We've got the chemistry, culture and core. We also have needs. But whoever we bring in now to fill those spot(s) should to be a proven commodity.

[bstein14]

It’s a range, I’ll give you both ends and everything else falls in the middle.

High end:
Chet Holmgren would match salaries (clearly OKC isn’t trading him, this is just used to illustration purposes) would get as many unprotected firsts as we can offer.


Low end:
Obi Toppin has 3 years left on his deal and makes slightly more than the 2 players mentioned for salary matching purposes. If the Pacers wanted out of his deal, and decided to break that contract into smaller contracts, they’d get Tech & Sass with second round picks or nothing.


I hope that makes it more clear.

Players like Jabari Smith and Keegan Murray fall somewhere in the middle.

I actually think your Chet example proves the point perfectly. People with young players like that who match in salaries to with that package generally AREN'T looking to trade them. The only guys on rookie contracts teams are looking to trade for future capital are the ones that AREN'T working out at all.

And we shouldn't be doing that.

Wasn’t Chauncey in the category of rookie scale players that weren’t living up to their potential?

I think different opportunities and circumstances could allow players to blossom here.

Also sometimes its going to be players like Bey who wanted more money than the team would offer in an extension and the team doesn't want to pay them that much or risk losing them for nothing... they might not have the space under the luxury tax to retain a player at that higher salary.

Or teams end up trading away a good rotation player because they have younger guys needing to get paid they'd rather keep. Look at the Hawks trading away DeAndre Hunter. Will the Hawks end up giving Dyson Daniels a huge deal? He's going to be eligible for a contract extension this summer. He's the type of player that could get traded if the Hawks don't want to pony up 4 years $160 million for him. Detroit and Jaden Ivey? Portland and Shaedon Sharpe? The Pacers and Matherin?

If the Bucks move on from Giannis I think most people here would look at 29 year old Bobby Portis as the type of vet they'd love to come in and back up the PF spot.

[GreekAlex]

I’m not sure what your point is on Chauncey. We acquired him via free agency long after his rookie scale deal ended.

We acquired him right after his rookie scale deal (after his 5th season).

My point is that he didn’t have nearly the valuable when he was signed as after he came here and was performing in a different situation.

I believe that a Jabari Smith jr “Type” can come here and play a move valuable role than he’s currently being utilized in Houston.

I’m not trying to pull a Weaver and kick the tires on every bust out lottery pick but if a player just hasn’t lived up to their potential, it might be worth the gamble to unlock it here.

Untrue. He was on a new deal with the Wolves.

I apologize if I was unclear. I wasn’t as much focused on the rookie deal as I was attempting to make a point about a younger player’s (5 seasons experience) career taking off in the right situation.

I guess I was just assuming he was coming off a rookie deal because they’re generally 4-5 years.

My contention is that he wasn’t highly coveted and I’m not sure if I even recall Minnesota trying to retain him.

My hope is that with all of the bust out lottery pick reclamation projects that weaver gambled on and lost, we’re due for a winner.

[bstein14]

We acquired him right after his rookie scale deal (after his 5th season).

My point is that he didn’t have nearly the valuable when he was signed as after he came here and was performing in a different situation.

I believe that a Jabari Smith jr “Type” can come here and play a move valuable role than he’s currently being utilized in Houston.

I’m not trying to pull a Weaver and kick the tires on every bust out lottery pick but if a player just hasn’t lived up to their potential, it might be worth the gamble to unlock it here.

Untrue. He was on a new deal with the Wolves.

I apologize if I was unclear. I wasn’t as much focused on the rookie deal as I was attempting to make a point about a younger player’s (5 seasons experience) career taking off in the right situation.

I guess I was just assuming he was coming off a rookie deal because they’re generally 4-5 years.

My contention is that he wasn’t highly coveted and I’m not sure if I even recall Minnesota trying to retain him.

My hope is that with all of the bust out lottery pick reclamation projects that weaver gambled on and lost, we’re due for a winner.

Minny has an absolutely massive payroll... 2nd only to Phoenix and they don't have multi-billionaire owners like a lot of other teams willing to blow money to compete. They have guys who borrowed money to buy the team. It's why they traded KAT for Randle.... save money. If they do retain Naz at a higher deal it costs them much much more than the extra money he will be making so I'm almost certain they'd try to dump other extra salary.

A lot of what Minny ends up doing clearly rides on their upcoming 2nd round matchup. If they can't make it to the conference finals I could see them look to move out of Gobert and keep the younger cheaper Naz. Gobert slated to make $35 million next season at age 33.

Julius Randle I believe also has a $33 million player option so what he does could certainly affect the Naz situation. I can't see him opting out of that $33 million unless he has a really solid playoff run. I would expect he should get at least Tobias money at 2 years $52 million but he could certainly get a bit more if he leads Minny to the Conference Finals over the Rockets/Warriors winner.

[tmorgan]

Naz won’t leave Minnesota. He’s already had his chances and took less to stay.

Now their budget crunch may free other guys. If we end up not wanting to pay Hardaway or Beasley (because of other moves), or end up using Ivey in a deal for a legit young PF, then trying to get NAW without giving much salary back is a possibility. Good young-ish player.

[LaSheed]

Orlando- Fontechio
Hawks- Bitazde
Pistons get Georges Niang.

Orlando gets a 2nd or 2 from us.

[BadMofoPimp]

Orlando- Fontechio
Hawks- Bitazde
Pistons get Georges Niang.

Orlando gets a 2nd or 2 from us.

No way Magic do that. They are high on Goga.

[LaSheed]

Orlando- Fontechio
Hawks- Bitazde
Pistons get Georges Niang.

Orlando gets a 2nd or 2 from us.

No way Magic do that. They are high on Goga.

I thought the same thing. Him not playing in the playoffs was the reason I threw it in. Was snooping around Hawks forum and seen they were interested in him. Just interested in Niang.

[Invictus88]

Maybe this is the wrong thread but I am genuinely curious what Houston's offseason looks like.

Next year
FVV - 45 mill (club option) PG
Sengun - 34 C
Jalen Green - 33 SG
Brooks - 21 SF
Jabari Smith - 12 PF
Sheppard - 11 SG
Amen -10 (Listed as PG???)
Jock Landale - 8 C
Eason - 6 PF
Aaron Holiday - 5 (club option) PG
Whitmore - 3.5 SF
J.Williams - 2 SG

That's basically 190 million across 12 guys.

That's not counting UFAs:
Steven Adams (12.6 mill) C
Jeff Green (8 mill) PF
and Jae'Sean Tate (7.5) SF

Cap is 155 million this upcoming year.
Luxury tax threshold: 187.9 million
1st Apron is 196 million
2nd Apron is 208 million

I've been largely poo-pooing talk about us getting a player like Jabari Smith because teams just don't get rid of players like that. But who falls out of this team? They can't afford to keep everyone can they?

[BadMofoPimp]

Rockets are currently negotiating a longer term contract with FVV to reduce their cap number. I reckon he will decline and sign the new contract. But, they are fairly high on the payroll. Not sure who they would be willing to drop.

[BadMofoPimp]

Orlando- Fontechio
Hawks- Bitazde
Pistons get Georges Niang.

Orlando gets a 2nd or 2 from us.

No way Magic do that. They are high on Goga.

I thought the same thing. Him not playing in the playoffs was the reason I threw it in. Was snooping around Hawks forum and seen they were interested in him. Just interested in Niang.

Goga does fit the Pistons mindset as he is a very physical player with solid defense.

[GreekAlex]

Maybe this is the wrong thread but I am genuinely curious what Houston's offseason looks like.

Next year
FVV - 45 mill (club option) PG
Sengun - 34 C
Jalen Green - 33 SG
Brooks - 21 SF
Jabari Smith - 12 PF
Sheppard - 11 SG
Amen -10 (Listed as PG???)
Jock Landale - 8 C
Eason - 6 PF
Aaron Holiday - 5 (club option) PG
Whitmore - 3.5 SF
J.Williams - 2 SG

That's basically 190 million across 12 guys.

That's not counting UFAs:
Steven Adams (12.6 mill) C
Jeff Green (8 mill) PF
and Jae'Sean Tate (7.5) SF

Cap is 155 million this upcoming year.
Luxury tax threshold: 187.9 million
1st Apron is 196 million
2nd Apron is 208 million

I've been largely poo-pooing talk about us getting a player like Jabari Smith because teams just don't get rid of players like that. But who falls out of this team? They can't afford to keep everyone can they?

I’ve been screaming this for the longest.

They have some tough decisions to make.

They have some redundant pieces and most likely can’t keep everyone.

The only path I see for them is to salary dump Brooks if they see Tari & Jabari as long term starters.

They’d also have to decline the FVV club option and renegotiate an extension at a lower annual salary.

[Billl]

Maybe this is the wrong thread but I am genuinely curious what Houston's offseason looks like.

Next year
FVV - 45 mill (club option) PG
Sengun - 34 C
Jalen Green - 33 SG
Brooks - 21 SF
Jabari Smith - 12 PF
Sheppard - 11 SG
Amen -10 (Listed as PG???)
Jock Landale - 8 C
Eason - 6 PF
Aaron Holiday - 5 (club option) PG
Whitmore - 3.5 SF
J.Williams - 2 SG

That's basically 190 million across 12 guys.

That's not counting UFAs:
Steven Adams (12.6 mill) C
Jeff Green (8 mill) PF
and Jae'Sean Tate (7.5) SF

Cap is 155 million this upcoming year.
Luxury tax threshold: 187.9 million
1st Apron is 196 million
2nd Apron is 208 million

I've been largely poo-pooing talk about us getting a player like Jabari Smith because teams just don't get rid of players like that. But who falls out of this team? They can't afford to keep everyone can they?

Long term - no they aren't going to be able to extend all the young guys and also pay the vets. However I think it's more likely they combine some assets and try to bring in an all-star than it is they sell off young talent for cap relief.

[GreekAlex]

Maybe this is the wrong thread but I am genuinely curious what Houston's offseason looks like.

Next year
FVV - 45 mill (club option) PG
Sengun - 34 C
Jalen Green - 33 SG
Brooks - 21 SF
Jabari Smith - 12 PF
Sheppard - 11 SG
Amen -10 (Listed as PG???)
Jock Landale - 8 C
Eason - 6 PF
Aaron Holiday - 5 (club option) PG
Whitmore - 3.5 SF
J.Williams - 2 SG

That's basically 190 million across 12 guys.

That's not counting UFAs:
Steven Adams (12.6 mill) C
Jeff Green (8 mill) PF
and Jae'Sean Tate (7.5) SF

Cap is 155 million this upcoming year.
Luxury tax threshold: 187.9 million
1st Apron is 196 million
2nd Apron is 208 million

I've been largely poo-pooing talk about us getting a player like Jabari Smith because teams just don't get rid of players like that. But who falls out of this team? They can't afford to keep everyone can they?

Long term - no they aren't going to be able to extend all the young guys and also pay the vets. However I think it's more likely they combine some assets and try to bring in an all-star than it is they sell off young talent for cap relief.

Definitely not cap relief.

I think collecting more draft capital would help in a consolidation deal for the Rockets.

If they’re targeting Booker or Durant, the Suns may prefer more first round picks instead of developing the youth.

[bstein14]

Maybe this is the wrong thread but I am genuinely curious what Houston's offseason looks like.

Next year
FVV - 45 mill (club option) PG
Sengun - 34 C
Jalen Green - 33 SG
Brooks - 21 SF
Jabari Smith - 12 PF
Sheppard - 11 SG
Amen -10 (Listed as PG???)
Jock Landale - 8 C
Eason - 6 PF
Aaron Holiday - 5 (club option) PG
Whitmore - 3.5 SF
J.Williams - 2 SG

That's basically 190 million across 12 guys.

That's not counting UFAs:
Steven Adams (12.6 mill) C
Jeff Green (8 mill) PF
and Jae'Sean Tate (7.5) SF

Cap is 155 million this upcoming year.
Luxury tax threshold: 187.9 million
1st Apron is 196 million
2nd Apron is 208 million

I've been largely poo-pooing talk about us getting a player like Jabari Smith because teams just don't get rid of players like that. But who falls out of this team? They can't afford to keep everyone can they?

I think one of Jabari Smith, Tari Eason, Brooks or Jalen Green goes. They might value Smith's upside more and Eason's defense more and try to unload green for a cheaper player. They can't really afford to keep all four in the summer of 2026 unless they want to have the largest payroll in the league.

OKC is kind of in a similar boat of having a few young guys with big contracts due soon. Jalen Williams and Chet will obviously both get max extensions this summer so they suddenly will have a bunch of money wrapped up at the top of their lineup they will have to let a few of their young guys go and just fill out the end of the roster with late first rounders on cheap deals or vet min guys.