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zeebneeb wrote:Add it to the list of surreal.bstein14 wrote:Cade signs a 6 year extension deal with Nike and will become the 6th current NBA player to get a signature shoe deal.
LeBron, Durant, Giannis, Ja Morant and Devin Booker.... and now Cade Cunningham who's signature shoe should release about a year from now.
Pistons now have, 100%, without question, one of "those guys", on the team.
DetroitSho wrote:I still don't understand why either a) Kevin Durant didn't have us on his trade wishlist with how close a relationship he has with Cade and how seamless he would've fit or b) he did but we didn't pursue it more. I thought this in the summer and I think it's being proven, the upgrade from Tobias to KD this year would've made us true contenders.
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Snakebites wrote:DetroitSho wrote:I still don't understand why either a) Kevin Durant didn't have us on his trade wishlist with how close a relationship he has with Cade and how seamless he would've fit or b) he did but we didn't pursue it more. I thought this in the summer and I think it's being proven, the upgrade from Tobias to KD this year would've made us true contenders.
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If his list only included the Rockets and Spurs I'd get it. Those had clearer cases as contenders than we did this offseason.
The fact that the Heat were on his list confuses me though.
And as far as I can recall those were the only 3 teams he ever had on his list.
KD absolutely would have been an amazing fit for us.
JNewton wrote:Snakebites wrote:DetroitSho wrote:I still don't understand why either a) Kevin Durant didn't have us on his trade wishlist with how close a relationship he has with Cade and how seamless he would've fit or b) he did but we didn't pursue it more. I thought this in the summer and I think it's being proven, the upgrade from Tobias to KD this year would've made us true contenders.
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If his list only included the Rockets and Spurs I'd get it. Those had clearer cases as contenders than we did this offseason.
The fact that the Heat were on his list confuses me though.
And as far as I can recall those were the only 3 teams he ever had on his list.
KD absolutely would have been an amazing fit for us.
Well, even though I don't agree with the perception, guys don't want to live/play in Detroit, for the most part. This seems to be more prevalent in the NBA than any other sports league, too; with even the arguably most desirable midwest city Chicago having trouble getting guys to want to go there. The big name players, when they move, pretty much exclusively want to go to coastal or warm weather cities, preferably both.
When you looked at what each team did last season, team makeup, and the actual path to the Finals, Detroit to me was a better choice than Houston or San Antonio.Snakebites wrote:DetroitSho wrote:I still don't understand why either a) Kevin Durant didn't have us on his trade wishlist with how close a relationship he has with Cade and how seamless he would've fit or b) he did but we didn't pursue it more. I thought this in the summer and I think it's being proven, the upgrade from Tobias to KD this year would've made us true contenders.
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If his list only included the Rockets and Spurs I'd get it. Those had clearer cases as contenders than we did this offseason.
The fact that the Heat were on his list confuses me though.
And as far as I can recall those were the only 3 teams he ever had on his list. I'll admit the thought crossed my mind in the offseason given the teams' improvement and Cade's relationship with KD, which predates his NBA career.
KD absolutely would have been an amazing fit for us.
It's not Detroit specifically as much as it is the city of its climate.JNewton wrote:Snakebites wrote:DetroitSho wrote:I still don't understand why either a) Kevin Durant didn't have us on his trade wishlist with how close a relationship he has with Cade and how seamless he would've fit or b) he did but we didn't pursue it more. I thought this in the summer and I think it's being proven, the upgrade from Tobias to KD this year would've made us true contenders.
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If his list only included the Rockets and Spurs I'd get it. Those had clearer cases as contenders than we did this offseason.
The fact that the Heat were on his list confuses me though.
And as far as I can recall those were the only 3 teams he ever had on his list.
KD absolutely would have been an amazing fit for us.
Well, even though I don't agree with the perception, guys don't want to live/play in Detroit, for the most part. This seems to be more prevalent in the NBA than any other sports league, too; with even the arguably most desirable midwest city Chicago having trouble getting guys to want to go there. The big name players, when they move, pretty much exclusively want to go to coastal or warm weather cities, preferably both.
DetroitSho wrote:When you looked at what each team did last season, team makeup, and the actual path to the Finals, Detroit to me was a better choice than Houston or San Antonio.Snakebites wrote:DetroitSho wrote:I still don't understand why either a) Kevin Durant didn't have us on his trade wishlist with how close a relationship he has with Cade and how seamless he would've fit or b) he did but we didn't pursue it more. I thought this in the summer and I think it's being proven, the upgrade from Tobias to KD this year would've made us true contenders.
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If his list only included the Rockets and Spurs I'd get it. Those had clearer cases as contenders than we did this offseason.
The fact that the Heat were on his list confuses me though.
And as far as I can recall those were the only 3 teams he ever had on his list. I'll admit the thought crossed my mind in the offseason given the teams' improvement and Cade's relationship with KD, which predates his NBA career.
KD absolutely would have been an amazing fit for us.
Granted, Houston comes out slightly ahead with team makeup and overall talent. But what tips the scale in our favor is Detroit is far and away the best team in the East with KD. That same thing isn't true currently for Houston, and also wouldn't be for San Antonio.
Even as good as Houston is, they still have a dog fight ahead of them and could potentially top out as a 2nd round out. With Detroit the ECF would be the floor and almost a disappointment if they didn't advance.
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I mean yeah, coastal and warm locale outweighs the conference element.Snakebites wrote:DetroitSho wrote:When you looked at what each team did last season, team makeup, and the actual path to the Finals, Detroit to me was a better choice than Houston or San Antonio.Snakebites wrote:If his list only included the Rockets and Spurs I'd get it. Those had clearer cases as contenders than we did this offseason.
The fact that the Heat were on his list confuses me though.
And as far as I can recall those were the only 3 teams he ever had on his list. I'll admit the thought crossed my mind in the offseason given the teams' improvement and Cade's relationship with KD, which predates his NBA career.
KD absolutely would have been an amazing fit for us.
Granted, Houston comes out slightly ahead with team makeup and overall talent. But what tips the scale in our favor is Detroit is far and away the best team in the East with KD. That same thing isn't true currently for Houston, and also wouldn't be for San Antonio.
Even as good as Houston is, they still have a dog fight ahead of them and could potentially top out as a 2nd round out. With Detroit the ECF would be the floor and almost a disappointment if they didn't advance.
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I did not consider the conferance dymanic.
Given how high Houston and San Antonio were on his list, and that players like Butler have requested trades to the West in recent years, it doesn't seem that is much of a factor.
Should it be? Perhaps.
But I don't see the evidence.
Cade would've still been the clear alpha and leader even with KD. That explanation doesn't hold much water imo. It's just a simple matter of a good young team in a warm, tax free locale. Especially considering he extended for less than the max.Canadafan wrote:Maybe KD likes Cade so much that he didn't want to come here and take away his shine stunt his growth . Wants Cade to be the man
No sir.theBigLip wrote:Cleveland might have something to say about that #1 seed…
Nice post. The one thing I want to add, is about Jaden Ivey. A bunch of people are eating crow concerning Jalen Duren right now, and even I am to a certain extent, as I didn't want him moved, because he fits so well with Cade. He has become an all-around monster.Cowology wrote:I'm looking ahead at our schedule and it's another 27 games until we face a team I actually fear in Denver. I'm not saying we're gong to win all those games and there are some better teams in there (LAL,ORL, MIA, etc), but nobody in the East scares me. Also maybe a lil lucky Giannis is out temporarily or MIL would be a better test for JD.
We definitely showed an ability to hang with the Knicks last year and some even think we win it with a healthy Stew. Regardless, we are clearly significantly improved since then and nobody else has really stepped up to fill the void with IND & BOS both out of the running.
I know people are still being cautious and yeah we'll hit some patches...but this team is legit and if anything I thing they continue to gain confidence & trust in each other.
Post-season is another ball of wax, but I don't see any thing keeping us from a #1 Seed. This team is going to continue bullying the rest of the league. OKC, DEN and maybe HOU are still a class above us...but we're closing that gap quickly.
I maintain my belief that Ivey is essentially an upgraded version of Beasley for us and that he should be almost doubling his 3pa. We talk about his speed a lot but I think his shooting is maybe even more important. The hope has always been that Ivey is on that Maxey like trajectory. That dude upped his 3pa each of his first 5 seasons in the league. By year 4 he's up to 8 attempts per game. It opens up the floor for both him and Cade to attack the paint if it becomes a bigger part of his offense. He's shown the aptitude for it.zeebneeb wrote:Nice post. The one thing I want to add, is about Jaden Ivey. A bunch of people are eating crow concerning Jalen Duren right now, and even I am to a certain extent, as I didn't want him moved, because he fits so well with Cade. He has become an all-around monster.Cowology wrote:I'm looking ahead at our schedule and it's another 27 games until we face a team I actually fear in Denver. I'm not saying we're gong to win all those games and there are some better teams in there (LAL,ORL, MIA, etc), but nobody in the East scares me. Also maybe a lil lucky Giannis is out temporarily or MIL would be a better test for JD.
We definitely showed an ability to hang with the Knicks last year and some even think we win it with a healthy Stew. Regardless, we are clearly significantly improved since then and nobody else has really stepped up to fill the void with IND & BOS both out of the running.
I know people are still being cautious and yeah we'll hit some patches...but this team is legit and if anything I thing they continue to gain confidence & trust in each other.
Post-season is another ball of wax, but I don't see any thing keeping us from a #1 Seed. This team is going to continue bullying the rest of the league. OKC, DEN and maybe HOU are still a class above us...but we're closing that gap quickly.
Now, if Ivey comes back, and picks up where he left off before asshat moron took out his leg, this Pistons team is absolutely loaded to the gills with talent, and different traits, to a degree that seems ridiculous. Ivey is one of the fastest players in the league, and as Cade himself pointed out, opposites attract. Their playstyles are vastly different, and will give teams fits trying to guard Cades methodical, floor controlling style, while at the same time, trying to contain Ivey going 1000 end to end.
The addition of Ivey, could make this team turn into something incredibly special. I dont give a damn who's on the schedule.
I am done being cautious. I have abandoned my PTSD for the past 2 decades. This team is good, and every damn metric says they are as well.
LETS **** GO.
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