Cade's agent and "team" coming to Detroit to meet with Weaver about when he can start playing.

[smann7]

Hot take...

Cade is fine, we are doing our tanking early in the season.

This way we can get a top 5 pick but still build momentum and finish the season on a high note.

[Pistonrings]

Hot take...

Cade is fine, we are doing our tanking early in the season.

This way we can get a top 5 pick but still build momentum and finish the season on a high note.

Somehow I don't think Cade and his team would go for that strategy.

[Manocad]

You're creating a strawman. I said being pissed off about it childish, not that having a preference for being told the truth is childish.

"Pissed-off" is obviously a relative term. Displeased, disappointed, angered, the term used doesn't mean much when it is relative.

My point stands as totally rational. A fan is reasonable to be DISPLEASED, ANGERED, Disappointed that they were disrespected by the organization. When that fan expresses that anger IN A PROPER PLACE IN THE REALM OF A SPORTS FAN, there is simply nothing irrational, or childish about this.

I have clearly shown this with rational argument.

The organization is rational to care whether their fans feel comfortable with the way they are being treated by them. The fact that they make revenue from the tv watching public makes this obvious.

It is not irrational nor childish for a fan to
1. Prefer being treated respectfully as opposed to the opposite.

2, if number 1 is true, and it clearly is, then it's not irrational for the disrespected fan to feel angered and/or disappointed toward the organization. So the anger is not childish, and as long as it is expressed in the proper place, the realm of being a sports fan, then nothing about the fans reaction is irrational.

There is no other rational conclusion. You did say your mind could not be changed, meaning you don't care about following rationality, which is irrational in itself, us it not?.

Changing your mind is niether here nor there, all my intent was is to show through rational argument that there is nothing irrational about a fan preferring truth to lies, nor being angered if he receives lies, not nothing irrational as long as he expresses that anger in the proper places. The argument is air tight, opinion is not relevant. You can continue to claim otherwise but without rational argument you position, dare I say it, would appear to be childish.

You've alluded to the idea that the organization's intent was to treat its fans disrespectfully. You can't prove that and thus there goes your entire diatribe right down the drain. Swirly, swirly, swirly, buh bye, she gone.

By all means though, please continue.

[Pistonrings]

You're creating a strawman. I said being pissed off about it childish, not that having a preference for being told the truth is childish.

"Pissed-off" is obviously a relative term. Displeased, disappointed, angered, the term used doesn't mean much when it is relative.

My point stands as totally rational. A fan is reasonable to be DISPLEASED, ANGERED, Disappointed that they were disrespected by the organization. When that fan expresses that anger IN A PROPER PLACE IN THE REALM OF A SPORTS FAN, there is simply nothing irrational, or childish about this.

I have clearly shown this with rational argument.

The organization is rational to care whether their fans feel comfortable with the way they are being treated by them. The fact that they make revenue from the tv watching public makes this obvious.

It is not irrational nor childish for a fan to
1. Prefer being treated respectfully as opposed to the opposite.

2, if number 1 is true, and it clearly is, then it's not irrational for the disrespected fan to feel angered and/or disappointed toward the organization. So the anger is not childish, and as long as it is expressed in the proper place, the realm of being a sports fan, then nothing about the fans reaction is irrational.

There is no other rational conclusion. You did say your mind could not be changed, meaning you don't care about following rationality, which is irrational in itself, us it not?.

Changing your mind is niether here nor there, all my intent was is to show through rational argument that there is nothing irrational about a fan preferring truth to lies, nor being angered if he receives lies, not nothing irrational as long as he expresses that anger in the proper places. The argument is air tight, opinion is not relevant. You can continue to claim otherwise but without rational argument you position, dare I say it, would appear to be childish.

You've alluded to the idea that the organization's intent was to treat its fans disrespectfully. You can't prove that and thus there goes your entire diatribe right down the drain. Swirly, swirly, swirly, buh bye, she gone.

By all means though, please continue.

By the content of this post it's apparent you know you have Been defeated and because of pride you cannot admit it.

I never said they intended to specifically treat their fans with disrespect as a goal in itself. They obviously had an alternate motive, to possibly save ticket money for the opener, but their actions toward the fans was disrespectful.

So the only hope you have left then is to claim the terribly unlikely possibility that they really thought he was on track to start the preseason games but their medical staff was so bad they didn't know if he was on track to play in 2 days or out a full month.

Sorry, but it is rational to suspect that they knew by Friday and Saturday that he would not be starting in the opener Wed. We know that Weaver finally told us the real truth (hopefully) Tuesday that he would miss the entire month. So we can be more than reasonably sure that they knew for a fact on Friday or Saturday that he was not going to play in the opener. If now your argument is backed into claiming they didn't know Friday or sat whether is was 3 days or A MONTH then you are in a really irrational argument situation.

I watched you spend days making this irrational argument (I won't call it childish). I have watched others attempt to explain to you why you were wrong, but they attempted to be cordial and hoped you would connect the obvious dots because of rationality.

Finally, I decided to walk you through each rational point step by step. I have clearly demonstrated to every rational person here that a fan expressing anger over being left in the dark was not childish or being irrational unless they let it go beyond a reasonable area of expression (letting it effect their job, their family, their relationships).

You have been challenged with a rational argument and shown that your claim itself is irrational.

So your chances of being correct, are the same chance that the Pistons medical staff is so bad that they didn't know that Cade's"MILD" ankle turn was either on track to play in a couple days, or OUT A MONTH.

If everyone here had to bet their car on either that the Pistons knowingly misled the fans for whatever motive, OR, that the Pistons medical staff was so bad that they couldn't pin down a mild ankle turn to closer than 3 days OR A MONTH, I wonder which idea they would bet their cars on?

You said you will not change your mind, so that obviously means even in the face of a rational argument. So that single statement right there makes any more debate with you a lost cause. But it was important for me to show the others here that someone would finally speak the truth about your claims.

[DetroitSho]

I swear some of y'all remind me of Jim Carey in Liar Liar on that scene where his car got scratched at the tow yard.

Y'all doing all this wolfing but you ain't gonna do anything. You just gonna piss and moan like impotent jerks and then bend over and take it up the tailpipes. See you in tomorrow's game thread guys.

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[zeebneeb]

Dear god please hurry up Cades progress everyone's losing their minds over here!

it's not just here too, the replies to rod's tweet are pretty similar to what's been going on in this thread (you have to click and view on twitter):

Read on Twitter

.

Yeesh. Seems there are a bunch of fans displeased by this.

Well I can tell you one thing, in the future, I bet they are a little more descriptive to avoid this kind of crapshow.

I sincerely hope he plays against the Magic, or its gonna get really, really loud in Weavers office.

I just hope he plays soon period. What a PR disaster

[Pistonrings]

I swear some of y'all remind me of Jim Carey in Liar Liar on that scene where his car got scratched at the tow yard.

Y'all doing all this wolfing but you ain't gonna do anything. You just gonna piss and moan like impotent jerks and then bend over and take it up the tailpipes. See you in tomorrow's game thread guys.

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I agree, no sense in further debate on this because we both made our stances clear.

As far as Cade, we'll have a nice long season to enjoy his growth and that will be fun.

I hope he has a better start than Jalen Green has had. I watched a little of the end of the Houston game and they kept showing a couple highlights of him scoring and just went on and on, I was thinking, wow, he must have had his first monster game tonight, then they said, NINE POINTS.

He sure appears to be finding out that this is a lot different than the G league. But I hope Pistons fans are not going to be hard on Cade if he struggles in his first games. This is a tough league and I imagine Cade will have his struggles like Green is having.
.

[whitehops]

If you’re really all that upset that the team was less than transparent about this whole affair, the only recourse is to stop supporting the team- don’t watch, don’t buy tickets or merchandise, etc.

If you don’t want to do that, then it’s really not a big deal for you. Truthfully, if you expect “respect” from the Pistons or any organization that aims for a profit that’s a pretty good way to be disappointed in life. For profit entities will largely only have the appearance of respect in situations where it will profit them to do so. Which is not to say they actively “disrespect”, more that respect doesn’t factor into it.

1. i wouldn't be surprised at all if a lot of people didn't watch the next few games.

2. there's a precedent when it comes to how teams handle injuries. the vast, vast majority are transparent and readily update their fans with timelines, progress, setbacks, etc. it's the contrast between that and how they handled this situation that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. heck, look at killian's injury last season. there were updates and timelines given the whole way through.

it's like if you go to a restaurant and order food. the server can say up front, "the kitchen is short-staffed and super busy so it'll take about a half hour". you might not like it but the situation is the situation. they can also say "the food will be right out", then come back every couple minutes saying the food will take just another minute until they bring your food out ~30 minutes later.

you're more likely to stay at the table in the latter scenario but you're definitely going to be more upset. that's the slimy part and it doesn't sit well with consumers, even if they still eat the meal (don't boycott the team). i understand the reason for boycotting but the "boycott or shut up" mentality is one-strike and most people have multiple-strike tolerance before they boycott something (as they should imo).

[DetroitSho]

If you’re really all that upset that the team was less than transparent about this whole affair, the only recourse is to stop supporting the team- don’t watch, don’t buy tickets or merchandise, etc.

If you don’t want to do that, then it’s really not a big deal for you. Truthfully, if you expect “respect” from the Pistons or any organization that aims for a profit that’s a pretty good way to be disappointed in life. For profit entities will largely only have the appearance of respect in situations where it will profit them to do so. Which is not to say they actively “disrespect”, more that respect doesn’t factor into it.

1. i wouldn't be surprised at all if a lot of people didn't watch the next few games.

2. there's a precedent when it comes to how teams handle injuries. the vast, vast majority are transparent and readily update their fans with timelines, progress, setbacks, etc. it's the contrast between that and how they handled this situation that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. heck, look at killian's injury last season. there were updates and timelines given the whole way through.

it's like if you go to a restaurant and order food. the server can say up front, "the kitchen is short-staffed and super busy so it'll take about a half hour". you might not like it but the situation is the situation. they can also say "the food will be right out", then come back every couple minutes saying the food will take just another minute until they bring your food out ~30 minutes later.

you're more likely to stay at the table in the latter scenario but you're definitely going to be more upset. that's the slimy part and it doesn't sit well with consumers, even if they still eat the meal (don't boycott the team). i understand the reason for boycotting but the "boycott or shut up" mentality is one-strike and most people have multiple-strike tolerance before they boycott something (as they should imo).

1. Nobody's failing to watch the game out of protest. Cade's not playing. 2 + 2 = 4.

2. Bad example, this literally happens at restaurants all the time.

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[FloridaMan78]

Wow glad I skipped this one lol.

Sooo sounds like it’s gonna be some time in November that Cade plays right? They don’t get back until the 30th and Cade still needs to play some 5v5 in practice and since he didn’t go on the trip there’s no way that happens. A couple back to backs coming up. Looks like November 10th against the Rockets would be the latest right?

2 months for a rolled ankle is pretty crazy. No surgery, cast, or boot right?

[zeebneeb]

Wow glad I skipped this one lol.

Sooo sounds like it’s gonna be some time in November that Cade plays right? They don’t get back until the 30th and Cade still needs to play some 5v5 in practice and since he didn’t go on the trip there’s no way that happens. A couple back to backs coming up. Looks like November 10th against the Rockets would be the latest right?

2 months for a rolled ankle is pretty crazy. No surgery, cast, or boot right?

What's crazy about this whole thing is that If Cade was selected by just about any other team, the national media would have been up that GM's ass in under 2 seconds.

Crazy considering Detroit is ranked 15th out of 69 pro sports teams media markets. Now small by any measure, national media just doesn't care.

[Invictus88]

You guys do realize there are other players on the team besides Cade right? It's not the Detroit Cunninghams no matter how hard it seems that some people wish it to be.

And I'm sorry. The notion that folks will be up in arms if Cade doesn't start on day X or national media etc... Come on. The guy is injured. It's not like the Pistons are holding him hostage in a basement somewhere tied to a chair.

The Pistons organization gains absolutely nothing by Cade not playing except attempting to insure Cade's future health; which they absolutely should be doing. He's by far their biggest asset and it's their job to protect it.

It's funny. Remember Grant Hill? The Pistons organization was foolish enough to force that guy to play through a gimpy ankle for an entire season. Played him right out of town. His career was never the same afterward.

But it's all about instant gratification for a lot of folks here. F*** anything else.

[Snakebites]

If you’re really all that upset that the team was less than transparent about this whole affair, the only recourse is to stop supporting the team- don’t watch, don’t buy tickets or merchandise, etc.

If you don’t want to do that, then it’s really not a big deal for you. Truthfully, if you expect “respect” from the Pistons or any organization that aims for a profit that’s a pretty good way to be disappointed in life. For profit entities will largely only have the appearance of respect in situations where it will profit them to do so. Which is not to say they actively “disrespect”, more that respect doesn’t factor into it.

1. i wouldn't be surprised at all if a lot of people didn't watch the next few games.

2. there's a precedent when it comes to how teams handle injuries. the vast, vast majority are transparent and readily update their fans with timelines, progress, setbacks, etc. it's the contrast between that and how they handled this situation that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. heck, look at killian's injury last season. there were updates and timelines given the whole way through.

it's like if you go to a restaurant and order food. the server can say up front, "the kitchen is short-staffed and super busy so it'll take about a half hour". you might not like it but the situation is the situation. they can also say "the food will be right out", then come back every couple minutes saying the food will take just another minute until they bring your food out ~30 minutes later.

you're more likely to stay at the table in the latter scenario but you're definitely going to be more upset. that's the slimy part and it doesn't sit well with consumers, even if they still eat the meal (don't boycott the team). i understand the reason for boycotting but the "boycott or shut up" mentality is one-strike and most people have multiple-strike tolerance before they boycott something (as they should imo).

Sure. Every consumer has to decide where to draw the line in terms of what they are willing to support from a company, and if they’re doing something that you truly disagree with, you SHOULD vote with your time and your wallet. I’d go so far as to call doing otherwise socially irresponsible.

I just think this “transgression” falls well below that threshold for most reasonable people. It’s not even the worst thing with respect to this particular company, but let’s not go there in this thread.

If people are tuning out the next few days, it’ll be because they are less interested with Cade out. Not because they’re upset by the lack of transparency.

[Manocad]

"Pissed-off" is obviously a relative term. Displeased, disappointed, angered, the term used doesn't mean much when it is relative.

My point stands as totally rational. A fan is reasonable to be DISPLEASED, ANGERED, Disappointed that they were disrespected by the organization. When that fan expresses that anger IN A PROPER PLACE IN THE REALM OF A SPORTS FAN, there is simply nothing irrational, or childish about this.

I have clearly shown this with rational argument.

The organization is rational to care whether their fans feel comfortable with the way they are being treated by them. The fact that they make revenue from the tv watching public makes this obvious.

It is not irrational nor childish for a fan to
1. Prefer being treated respectfully as opposed to the opposite.

2, if number 1 is true, and it clearly is, then it's not irrational for the disrespected fan to feel angered and/or disappointed toward the organization. So the anger is not childish, and as long as it is expressed in the proper place, the realm of being a sports fan, then nothing about the fans reaction is irrational.

There is no other rational conclusion. You did say your mind could not be changed, meaning you don't care about following rationality, which is irrational in itself, us it not?.

Changing your mind is niether here nor there, all my intent was is to show through rational argument that there is nothing irrational about a fan preferring truth to lies, nor being angered if he receives lies, not nothing irrational as long as he expresses that anger in the proper places. The argument is air tight, opinion is not relevant. You can continue to claim otherwise but without rational argument you position, dare I say it, would appear to be childish.

You've alluded to the idea that the organization's intent was to treat its fans disrespectfully. You can't prove that and thus there goes your entire diatribe right down the drain. Swirly, swirly, swirly, buh bye, she gone.

By all means though, please continue.

By the content of this post it's apparent you know you have Been defeated and because of pride you cannot admit it.

I never said they intended to specifically treat their fans with disrespect as a goal in itself. They obviously had an alternate motive, to possibly save ticket money for the opener, but their actions toward the fans was disrespectful.

So the only hope you have left then is to claim the terribly unlikely possibility that they really thought he was on track to start the preseason games but their medical staff was so bad they didn't know if he was on track to play in 2 days or out a full month.

Sorry, but it is rational to suspect that they knew by Friday and Saturday that he would not be starting in the opener Wed. We know that Weaver finally told us the real truth (hopefully) Tuesday that he would miss the entire month. So we can be more than reasonably sure that they knew for a fact on Friday or Saturday that he was not going to play in the opener. If now your argument is backed into claiming they didn't know Friday or sat whether is was 3 days or A MONTH then you are in a really irrational argument situation.

I watched you spend days making this irrational argument (I won't call it childish). I have watched others attempt to explain to you why you were wrong, but they attempted to be cordial and hoped you would connect the obvious dots because of rationality.

Finally, I decided to walk you through each rational point step by step. I have clearly demonstrated to every rational person here that a fan expressing anger over being left in the dark was not childish or being irrational unless they let it go beyond a reasonable area of expression (letting it effect their job, their family, their relationships).

You have been challenged with a rational argument and shown that your claim itself is irrational.

So your chances of being correct, are the same chance that the Pistons medical staff is so bad that they didn't know that Cade's"MILD" ankle turn was either on track to play in a couple days, or OUT A MONTH.

If everyone here had to bet their car on either that the Pistons knowingly misled the fans for whatever motive, OR, that the Pistons medical staff was so bad that they couldn't pin down a mild ankle turn to closer than 3 days OR A MONTH, I wonder which idea they would bet their cars on?

You said you will not change your mind, so that obviously means even in the face of a rational argument. So that single statement right there makes any more debate with you a lost cause. But it was important for me to show the others here that someone would finally speak the truth about your claims.

If you're going through this exercise of mental masturbation to prove to yourself that you've "won" something, you're childish. Others have said the same thing I've said so I'm not exactly on an island here. I, and others, think it's childish, you don't. Since you like to throw around subjectivity and relativity, you've clearly demonstrated yourself that this is not black/white or right/wrong. So you have proved absolutely nothing other than that your ego is bigger than mine since clearly you need to validate yourself as being "right" when by your own argument, it's not a right or wrong issue.

Your move.

[Manocad]

Wow glad I skipped this one lol.

Sooo sounds like it’s gonna be some time in November that Cade plays right? They don’t get back until the 30th and Cade still needs to play some 5v5 in practice and since he didn’t go on the trip there’s no way that happens. A couple back to backs coming up. Looks like November 10th against the Rockets would be the latest right?

2 months for a rolled ankle is pretty crazy. No surgery, cast, or boot right?

Not one bit. I rolled my ankle playing racquetball and it was every bit of 6-8 weeks before it was back to normal with no pain. And I mean no pain doing what I was doing, which was not playing full court basketball every day.

[thesack12]

If you’re really all that upset that the team was less than transparent about this whole affair, the only recourse is to stop supporting the team- don’t watch, don’t buy tickets or merchandise, etc.

If you don’t want to do that, then it’s really not a big deal for you. Truthfully, if you expect “respect” from the Pistons or any organization that aims for a profit that’s a pretty good way to be disappointed in life. For profit entities will largely only have the appearance of respect in situations where it will profit them to do so. Which is not to say they actively “disrespect”, more that respect doesn’t factor into it.

1. i wouldn't be surprised at all if a lot of people didn't watch the next few games.

2. there's a precedent when it comes to how teams handle injuries. the vast, vast majority are transparent and readily update their fans with timelines, progress, setbacks, etc. it's the contrast between that and how they handled this situation that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. heck, look at killian's injury last season. there were updates and timelines given the whole way through.

it's like if you go to a restaurant and order food. the server can say up front, "the kitchen is short-staffed and super busy so it'll take about a half hour". you might not like it but the situation is the situation. they can also say "the food will be right out", then come back every couple minutes saying the food will take just another minute until they bring your food out ~30 minutes later.

you're more likely to stay at the table in the latter scenario but you're definitely going to be more upset. that's the slimy part and it doesn't sit well with consumers, even if they still eat the meal (don't boycott the team). i understand the reason for boycotting but the "boycott or shut up" mentality is one-strike and most people have multiple-strike tolerance before they boycott something (as they should imo).

Sure. Every consumer has to decide where to draw the line in terms of what they are willing to support from a company, and if they’re doing something that you truly disagree with, you SHOULD vote with your time and your wallet. I’d go so far as to call doing otherwise socially irresponsible.

I just think this “transgression” falls well below that threshold for most reasonable people. It’s not even the worst thing with respect to this particular company, but let’s not go there in this thread.

If people are tuning out the next few days, it’ll be because they are less interested with Cade out. Not because they’re upset by the lack of transparency.

Umm, that's the point of this entire thing.

The organization is well aware that they aren't all that interesting from a public consumption standpoint. Cade represents an avenue of intrigue for a team that is severely lacking in things worth investing time/$ into for your average everyday Joefan.

The team's target audience is not people like us posting on team themed message boards. We're all still here even after enduring the absolute crap of a product the Pistons have put on floor for the last 10+ years

Its the casual fans, the team is after. Those types of people, that only pay attention to the team when there is something worth doing so. This is a franchise that hasn't won single playoff game since 2008, and until this year hasn't had a top 5 pick since 2003. Casual fans, have long since had no reason to invest anything into this team.

Being awarded the #1 overall pick, represents not only great promise for the basketball product on the floor, but also huge opportunity from a marketing perspective. Cade is by far the most valuable/most marketable asset the Detroit Pistons have had in quite some time.

Casual fans couldn't care less about coming out to see Jerami Grant or Kelly Olynyk. But, they will come out to get a looksie at the prized #1 overall pick Cade Cunningham, because he has wide ranging national buzz and hype around him.

Even most fans of our variety, who frequently invest our spare time to talk about the team on a message board, aren't going to go out of their way to invest in a game that doesn't have Cunningham in the lineup. That's not to say that a large portion of us won't watch, but there is another group of folks like myself that had made plans to commute long distances to catch the opener because we were led to believe Cade was going to be available to play.

So yes, long story short if people begin to tune out it will be because they are disinterested without Cade out there. Which is the exact reason why many people are bent out of shape to begin with, had they known Cade was hurt worse than reported, they wouldn't have made the same decisions they did.

The organization is well aware that Cade = interest/money. They absolutely knew that when he Cade got hurt, if they announced it as a month long type injury they were going to lose $ and interest among the public. People who are fans of the NBA, and not specifically Detroit aren't going to pay attention to the Cadeless Pistons, but they will invest time and attention to watch Cade.

Its the reason why they haven't yet officially ruled him out of the next home game on the 30th. Yet he's not traveling with the team, and has yet to get a single 5 on 5 practice in, which clearly indicates he's not particularly close to returning.

No Cade ='s much less interest in the team amongst all groups of people. Its just that simple. So when the team announces Cade suffered a "very mild turned ankle" and he's not even practicing almost a month later, while at the same time the only update they provide the entire time is "we're not going to rush him back." Its not hard to connect the dots that the team has been calculated about the situation and deliberately withheld info and actively mislead their customers/consumers.

[Manocad]

I swear some of y'all remind me of Jim Carey in Liar Liar on that scene where his car got scratched at the tow yard.

Y'all doing all this wolfing but you ain't gonna do anything. You just gonna piss and moan like impotent jerks and then bend over and take it up the tailpipes. See you in tomorrow's game thread guys.

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That literally made me lol.

Which is all my point was relative to it being childish. If you hadn't bought tickets or planned on attending the game, the whole "not knowing" thing didn't affect you socially or financially. Bitching about it is just wasted energy and emotion because it doesn't change what did happen nor will it change what will happen. Even a three year old kid knows not to eat paper when he's hungry; it doesn't taste good and it's not food.

[Manocad]

1. i wouldn't be surprised at all if a lot of people didn't watch the next few games.

2. there's a precedent when it comes to how teams handle injuries. the vast, vast majority are transparent and readily update their fans with timelines, progress, setbacks, etc. it's the contrast between that and how they handled this situation that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. heck, look at killian's injury last season. there were updates and timelines given the whole way through.

it's like if you go to a restaurant and order food. the server can say up front, "the kitchen is short-staffed and super busy so it'll take about a half hour". you might not like it but the situation is the situation. they can also say "the food will be right out", then come back every couple minutes saying the food will take just another minute until they bring your food out ~30 minutes later.

you're more likely to stay at the table in the latter scenario but you're definitely going to be more upset. that's the slimy part and it doesn't sit well with consumers, even if they still eat the meal (don't boycott the team). i understand the reason for boycotting but the "boycott or shut up" mentality is one-strike and most people have multiple-strike tolerance before they boycott something (as they should imo).

Sure. Every consumer has to decide where to draw the line in terms of what they are willing to support from a company, and if they’re doing something that you truly disagree with, you SHOULD vote with your time and your wallet. I’d go so far as to call doing otherwise socially irresponsible.

I just think this “transgression” falls well below that threshold for most reasonable people. It’s not even the worst thing with respect to this particular company, but let’s not go there in this thread.

If people are tuning out the next few days, it’ll be because they are less interested with Cade out. Not because they’re upset by the lack of transparency.

Umm, that's the point of this entire thing.

The organization is well aware that they aren't all that interesting from a public consumption standpoint. Cade represents an avenue for intrigue for a team that is severely lacking in things worth investing time/$ into for your average everyday Joefan.

The team's target audience is not people like us posting on team themed message boards. We're all still here even after enduring the absolute crap of a product the Pistons have put on floor for the last 10+ years

Its the casual fans, the team is after. Those types of people, that only pay attention to the team when there is something worth doing so. This is a franchise that hasn't won single playoff game since 2008, and until this year hasn't had a top 5 pick since 2003. Casual fans, have long since had no reason to invest anything into this team.

Being awarded the #1 overall pick, represents not only great promise for the basketball product on the floor, but also huge opportunity from a marketing perspective. Cade is by far the most valuable/most marketable asset the Detroit Pistons have had in quite some time.

Casual fans couldn't care less about coming out to see Jerami Grant or Kelly Olynyk. But, they will come out to get a looksie at the prized #1 overall pick Cade Cunningham, because he has wide ranging national buzz and hype around him.

Even most fans of our variety, who frequently invest our spare time to talk about the team on a message board, aren't going to go out of their way to invest in a game that doesn't have Cunningham in the lineup. That's not to say that a large portion of us won't watch, but there is another group of folks like myself that had made plans to commute long distances to catch the opener because we were led to believe Cade was going to be available to play.

So yes, long story short if people begin to tune out it will be because they are disinterested without Cade out there. Which is the exact reason why many people are bent out of shape to begin with, had they known Cade was hurt worse than reported, they wouldn't have made the same decisions they did.

The organization is well aware that Cade = interest/money. They absolutely knew that when he Cade got hurt, if they announced it as a month long type injury they were going to lose $ and interest among the public. People who are fans of the NBA, and not specifically Detroit aren't going to pay attention to the Cadeless Pistons, but they will invest time and attention to watch Cade.

Its the reason why they haven't yet officially ruled him out of the next home game on the 30th. Yet he's not traveling with the team, and has yet to get a single 5 on 5 practice in, which clearly indicates he's not particularly close to returning.

No Cade ='s much less interest in the team amongst all groups of people. Its just that simple. So when the team announces Cade suffered a "very mild turned ankle" and he's not even practicing almost a month later, while at the same time the only "update' they provide the entire time is "we're not going to rush him back." Its not hard to connect the dots that the team has been calculated about the situation and deliberately withheld info and actively mislead their customers/consumers.

You're projecting. What happens when people still attend and watch games while Cade is out because they're interested in more than just watching Cade? By your logic, if that happens your whole argument goes out the window. That means that fans in general aren't as pissed off as you think they are, thus they don't believe the team is guilty of some nefarious deception game, and thus there was no nefarious deception game.

For the record, I'd bet that there are more people on this board still watching the games knowing Cade is out than not. And if you want to argue otherwise, throw a poll out there. Who knows--maybe I'm wrong. Then you could stick that little feather in your cap.

[Snakebites]

1. i wouldn't be surprised at all if a lot of people didn't watch the next few games.

2. there's a precedent when it comes to how teams handle injuries. the vast, vast majority are transparent and readily update their fans with timelines, progress, setbacks, etc. it's the contrast between that and how they handled this situation that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. heck, look at killian's injury last season. there were updates and timelines given the whole way through.

it's like if you go to a restaurant and order food. the server can say up front, "the kitchen is short-staffed and super busy so it'll take about a half hour". you might not like it but the situation is the situation. they can also say "the food will be right out", then come back every couple minutes saying the food will take just another minute until they bring your food out ~30 minutes later.

you're more likely to stay at the table in the latter scenario but you're definitely going to be more upset. that's the slimy part and it doesn't sit well with consumers, even if they still eat the meal (don't boycott the team). i understand the reason for boycotting but the "boycott or shut up" mentality is one-strike and most people have multiple-strike tolerance before they boycott something (as they should imo).

Sure. Every consumer has to decide where to draw the line in terms of what they are willing to support from a company, and if they’re doing something that you truly disagree with, you SHOULD vote with your time and your wallet. I’d go so far as to call doing otherwise socially irresponsible.

I just think this “transgression” falls well below that threshold for most reasonable people. It’s not even the worst thing with respect to this particular company, but let’s not go there in this thread.

If people are tuning out the next few days, it’ll be because they are less interested with Cade out. Not because they’re upset by the lack of transparency.

Umm, that's the point of this entire thing.

The organization is well aware that they aren't all that interesting from a public consumption standpoint. Cade represents an avenue of intrigue for a team that is severely lacking in things worth investing time/$ into for your average everyday Joefan.

The team's target audience is not people like us posting on team themed message boards. We're all still here even after enduring the absolute crap of a product the Pistons have put on floor for the last 10+ years

Its the casual fans, the team is after. Those types of people, that only pay attention to the team when there is something worth doing so. This is a franchise that hasn't won single playoff game since 2008, and until this year hasn't had a top 5 pick since 2003. Casual fans, have long since had no reason to invest anything into this team.

Being awarded the #1 overall pick, represents not only great promise for the basketball product on the floor, but also huge opportunity from a marketing perspective. Cade is by far the most valuable/most marketable asset the Detroit Pistons have had in quite some time.

Casual fans couldn't care less about coming out to see Jerami Grant or Kelly Olynyk. But, they will come out to get a looksie at the prized #1 overall pick Cade Cunningham, because he has wide ranging national buzz and hype around him.

Even most fans of our variety, who frequently invest our spare time to talk about the team on a message board, aren't going to go out of their way to invest in a game that doesn't have Cunningham in the lineup. That's not to say that a large portion of us won't watch, but there is another group of folks like myself that had made plans to commute long distances to catch the opener because we were led to believe Cade was going to be available to play.

So yes, long story short if people begin to tune out it will be because they are disinterested without Cade out there. Which is the exact reason why many people are bent out of shape to begin with, had they known Cade was hurt worse than reported, they wouldn't have made the same decisions they did.

The organization is well aware that Cade = interest/money. They absolutely knew that when he Cade got hurt, if they announced it as a month long type injury they were going to lose $ and interest among the public. People who are fans of the NBA, and not specifically Detroit aren't going to pay attention to the Cadeless Pistons, but they will invest time and attention to watch Cade.

Its the reason why they haven't yet officially ruled him out of the next home game on the 30th. Yet he's not traveling with the team, and has yet to get a single 5 on 5 practice in, which clearly indicates he's not particularly close to returning.

No Cade ='s much less interest in the team amongst all groups of people. Its just that simple. So when the team announces Cade suffered a "very mild turned ankle" and he's not even practicing almost a month later, while at the same time the only update they provide the entire time is "we're not going to rush him back." Its not hard to connect the dots that the team has been calculated about the situation and deliberately withheld info and actively mislead their customers/consumers.

I'm not sure where we disagree here. Please enlighten me.

[thesack12]

Sure. Every consumer has to decide where to draw the line in terms of what they are willing to support from a company, and if they’re doing something that you truly disagree with, you SHOULD vote with your time and your wallet. I’d go so far as to call doing otherwise socially irresponsible.

I just think this “transgression” falls well below that threshold for most reasonable people. It’s not even the worst thing with respect to this particular company, but let’s not go there in this thread.

If people are tuning out the next few days, it’ll be because they are less interested with Cade out. Not because they’re upset by the lack of transparency.

Umm, that's the point of this entire thing.

The organization is well aware that they aren't all that interesting from a public consumption standpoint. Cade represents an avenue for intrigue for a team that is severely lacking in things worth investing time/$ into for your average everyday Joefan.

The team's target audience is not people like us posting on team themed message boards. We're all still here even after enduring the absolute crap of a product the Pistons have put on floor for the last 10+ years

Its the casual fans, the team is after. Those types of people, that only pay attention to the team when there is something worth doing so. This is a franchise that hasn't won single playoff game since 2008, and until this year hasn't had a top 5 pick since 2003. Casual fans, have long since had no reason to invest anything into this team.

Being awarded the #1 overall pick, represents not only great promise for the basketball product on the floor, but also huge opportunity from a marketing perspective. Cade is by far the most valuable/most marketable asset the Detroit Pistons have had in quite some time.

Casual fans couldn't care less about coming out to see Jerami Grant or Kelly Olynyk. But, they will come out to get a looksie at the prized #1 overall pick Cade Cunningham, because he has wide ranging national buzz and hype around him.

Even most fans of our variety, who frequently invest our spare time to talk about the team on a message board, aren't going to go out of their way to invest in a game that doesn't have Cunningham in the lineup. That's not to say that a large portion of us won't watch, but there is another group of folks like myself that had made plans to commute long distances to catch the opener because we were led to believe Cade was going to be available to play.

So yes, long story short if people begin to tune out it will be because they are disinterested without Cade out there. Which is the exact reason why many people are bent out of shape to begin with, had they known Cade was hurt worse than reported, they wouldn't have made the same decisions they did.

The organization is well aware that Cade = interest/money. They absolutely knew that when he Cade got hurt, if they announced it as a month long type injury they were going to lose $ and interest among the public. People who are fans of the NBA, and not specifically Detroit aren't going to pay attention to the Cadeless Pistons, but they will invest time and attention to watch Cade.

Its the reason why they haven't yet officially ruled him out of the next home game on the 30th. Yet he's not traveling with the team, and has yet to get a single 5 on 5 practice in, which clearly indicates he's not particularly close to returning.

No Cade ='s much less interest in the team amongst all groups of people. Its just that simple. So when the team announces Cade suffered a "very mild turned ankle" and he's not even practicing almost a month later, while at the same time the only "update' they provide the entire time is "we're not going to rush him back." Its not hard to connect the dots that the team has been calculated about the situation and deliberately withheld info and actively mislead their customers/consumers.

You're projecting. What happens when people still attend and watch games while Cade is out because they're interested in more than just watching Cade? By your logic, if that happens your whole argument goes out the window. That means that fans in general aren't as pissed off as you think they are, thus they don't believe the team is guilty of some nefarious deception game, and thus there was no nefarious deception game.

For the record, I'd bet that there are more people on this board still watching the games knowing Cade is out than not. And if you want to argue otherwise, throw a poll out there. Who knows--maybe I'm wrong. Then you could stick that little feather in your cap.

You're are out of your gourd if you are truly believe that the interest level in this team is not adversely effected without Cade Cunningham in the lineup.

But here's the thing, you and I both know that you don't actually believe that. You feed off getting reactions from folks, and I'm not going to bite.