Malik Beasley: Allegations of Gambling

[bstein14]

Chicago Bulls, Indiana Pacers, New Orleans Pelicans, Sacramento Kings and Washington Wizards could offer more than Detroit. Some of those teams already have 15 roster spots filled and some would go into the luxury tax by offering more.... some are bad lottery teams but I am not sure that matters to Beasley given the fact he signed with Detroit last season. He very well might need to simply go to the highest bidder which is fine.

I'd be happy to get him back for more depth, and I'd be happy to let him go since we already replaced his shooting.

With all the other things going on, I am not sure that it makes sense for the Pelicans to take him on at this point.

Sacramento has 15 on the roster and has no role for him unless they can dump Monk, but they do have their MLE because we worked a sign-and-trade for Schroeder.

Brooklyn is interesting in that they could shift and sign him due to not being able to reach a deal with Cam Thomas. I actually think he might fit best with Chicago playing next to a big point like Giddey.... but Chicago still needs to figure out how to resign Giddey.

[LaSheed]

Man all that dirty laundry aired out to the public. That sucks for him. Hope he can put it all behind him.

[theBigLip]

We should sign him if we can. And if we’re too deep, we have contracts to trade at the deadline if needed.

[Billl]

I would gladly welcome beasley back in the fold. Sooner or later, we are going to need to make a move for a #2, so we need all the quality depth we can get.

[aad]

Good for Beas

[Cowology]

I guess I'll be the bad guy. It feels like they *knew* he did something but couldn't actually prove it without Beasley himself opening his mouth. Pressure was applied and he held the line.

Legally you are innocent until proven guilty but the court of public & private opinion has always been held apart. I'm still not sure I would want this guy in my locker room.

That said, I don't personally know the guy and it's impossible for me to accurately read him or the situation. I'd hope smarter people than me are in the room. He could be 100% clear of any and all wrong doing, but it took some sort of extraordinary circumstances for us to get here and that is still concerning.

[Canadafan]

If we do sign him, we can offer $7.2. For how many years? And then if we give him a player option, how does that affect how much we can give him next summer?

Also, if we do keep him, we are 10 deep with Sasser and Reed rounding out 12 guys.
Minutes to go around would be sparse

But after injuries every year having depth is also important. Guys just need to understand they might not play every night. I'm fine giving guys rest especially Duncan, Tobias, Beasley and LeVert since they are all older players.

Thats true.keep everyone fresh by rotating one guyin and out of lineup if they're all healthy lol.

[theBigLip]

I guess I'll be the bad guy. It feels like they *knew* he did something but couldn't actually prove it without Beasley himself opening his mouth. Pressure was applied and he held the line.

Legally you are innocent until proven guilty but the court of public & private opinion has always been held apart. I'm still not sure I would want this guy in my locker room.

That said, I don't personally know the guy and it's impossible for me to accurately read him or the situation. I'd hope smarter people than me are in the room. He could be 100% clear of any and all wrong doing, but it took some sort of extreme circumstances for us to get here and that is still concerning.

His debt seems a bit concerning. He obviously needs to clean up his personal life. But it didn’t seem to affect his game last year.

[Snakebites]

Yeah...

I'm actually curious to see what happens with this now. Regardless of whether or not he was convicted, do teams believe he's compromised in any way?

If they do that's probably a dealbreaker. I'm definitely of the view that those on the "inside" know more than the general public does about this. I'm curious to see if he gets signed.

[kpt]

Do we even have a roster spot to sign Beasley and how much money do we have left?

[Cowology]

I guess I'll be the bad guy. It feels like they *knew* he did something but couldn't actually prove it without Beasley himself opening his mouth. Pressure was applied and he held the line.

Legally you are innocent until proven guilty but the court of public & private opinion has always been held apart. I'm still not sure I would want this guy in my locker room.

That said, I don't personally know the guy and it's impossible for me to accurately read him or the situation. I'd hope smarter people than me are in the room. He could be 100% clear of any and all wrong doing, but it took some sort of extreme circumstances for us to get here and that is still concerning.

His debt seems a bit concerning. He obviously needs to clean up his personal life. But it didn’t seem to affect his game last year.

We have absolutely NO idea what was affected either last year or in previous years. We know he was investigated but not charged and that's all we know.

IF he manipulated numbers for even ONE game while with the Bucks would you still want him in that locker room?

It's an integrity issue. I get that I'm a bit hard-core in this regard, but this is an area I have zero tolerance. If I were an athlete I would NOT want this guy on my team. How do you trust him??

Not charged is not the same as innocent and I do in fact have a difficult time believing he was an innocent bystander who was besmirched. Maybe... but IF I find it more likely than not, I'm not going to risk it. Heck, even at lower odds I'm just not risking it. Maybe that sucks for Bease...but this one makes me real skittish.

[Billl]

I guess I'll be the bad guy. It feels like they *knew* he did something but couldn't actually prove it without Beasley himself opening his mouth. Pressure was applied and he held the line.

Legally you are innocent until proven guilty but the court of public & private opinion has always been held apart. I'm still not sure I would want this guy in my locker room.

That said, I don't personally know the guy and it's impossible for me to accurately read him or the situation. I'd hope smarter people than me are in the room. He could be 100% clear of any and all wrong doing, but it took some sort of extreme circumstances for us to get here and that is still concerning.

Ok - I guess you are the bad guy.

There does not appear to be any evidence that beasley made any sort of bets or was involved in any way with gambling on the NBA. They detected an unusual move in betting on one of his games where people were betting on his rebounding. It was at 2.5 rebounds and rapidly moved to the under. ie someone or group of people was betting a lot of money on him either having a bad or low minute game. But guess what? He grabbed 6 boards and all of the unusual bets LOST! They investigated and found no evidence beasley was involved at all, which makes sense because any "inside info" the unusual bets were based on was completely incorrect. It sure seems like someone was leaking info, but it wasn't beasley.

With that said, the league has a gambling problem. There are just too many league and team employees who could theoretically have access to info about a players health or availability or even silly stuff like a guy just had a fight with his girlfriend. I mean, even the janitor can notice if a guy is extra iced up or had tweaked something. Any of those people could slip that info to a bigtime gambler for a kickback. And they don't even have to be right all the time. These are all essentially 50/50 bets, so moving that to 60/40 over the course of a season would be massive money. Obviously it's 100x worse if the player is actively making sure to hit an over or under, but the player doesn't even have to be purposely involved for there to be league level corruption.

[MortSahlfan]

Very good news to see. I really hope he stays with us.

[Cowology]

I guess I'll be the bad guy. It feels like they *knew* he did something but couldn't actually prove it without Beasley himself opening his mouth. Pressure was applied and he held the line.

Legally you are innocent until proven guilty but the court of public & private opinion has always been held apart. I'm still not sure I would want this guy in my locker room.

That said, I don't personally know the guy and it's impossible for me to accurately read him or the situation. I'd hope smarter people than me are in the room. He could be 100% clear of any and all wrong doing, but it took some sort of extreme circumstances for us to get here and that is still concerning.

Ok - I guess you are the bad guy.

There does not appear to be any evidence that beasley made any sort of bets or was involved in any way with gambling on the NBA. They detected an unusual move in betting on one of his games where people were betting on his rebounding. It was at 2.5 rebounds and rapidly moved to the under. ie someone or group of people was betting a lot of money on him either having a bad or low minute game. But guess what? He grabbed 6 boards and all of the unusual bets LOST! They investigated and found no evidence beasley was involved at all, which makes sense because any "inside info" the unusual bets were based on was completely incorrect. It sure seems like someone was leaking info, but it wasn't beasley.

With that said, the league has a gambling problem. There are just too many league and team employees who could theoretically have access to info about a players health or availability or even silly stuff like a guy just had a fight with his girlfriend. I mean, even the janitor can notice if a guy is extra iced up or had tweaked something. Any of those people could slip that info to a bigtime gambler for a kickback. And they don't even have to be right all the time. These are all essentially 50/50 bets, so moving that to 60/40 over the course of a season would be massive money. Obviously it's 100x worse if the player is actively making sure to hit an over or under, but the player doesn't even have to be purposely involved for there to be league level corruption.

Well I'm glad you have ALL the facts on the case. Myself, I feel like their is still a lot I don't know but I hope to be as certain as you one day.

[Snakebites]

Do we even have a roster spot to sign Beasley and how much money do we have left?

We do and we can sign him for 7.2 million.

[ComboGuardCity]

He’s not coming back. Langdon took a subtle shot at his character during a summer league interview, unless I misunderstood. However, if that’s the case, I wouldn’t come back here.

[MortSahlfan]

He’s not coming back. Langdon took a subtle shot at his character during a summer league interview, unless I misunderstood. However, if that’s the case, I wouldn’t come back here.

What did he say? I only remember him saying "We've moved on"

[Cowology]

Do we even have a roster spot to sign Beasley and how much money do we have left?

We do and we can sign him for 7.2 million.

To my understanding we were holding a roster spot for the eventuality that Beasley is cleared. And IF we bring him back I'm going to trust those in the know are making good decisions and feel good about it.

I'm curious to see how it actually goes. Beasley was EASILY my fav Piston last season and I was very vocal about loving his energy.

We'll see...

[NYPiston]

Beasley has no spot on the roster, where can they possibly play him? I'd prefer him to Duncan Robinson but he's redundant now with Duncan here.

[Snakebites]

We’ve already had reporting that says we saved a roster spot for him.

It’s possible someone swoops in with an offer north of that or for a better team (presumably exception money) but that’s impossible to tell.

I imagine we will know more soon.

I’d be happy if things were on the up and up and he stayed.