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Post#2161 » by Q00 » Fri May 23, 2014 12:36 am

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Q00 wrote:Hypothetical:

Lets say MIN trades Love for the Celtics/Lakers pick and then has money to spend in FA on a big man to replace him, and they target Monroe to pair with Dieng longterm.

They offer him the max at 14.5 mil/yr (essentially giving him Love's salary slot). But because they will no longer need Pekovic if signing Monroe, and would like to get out of his contract if possible, they offer him back in a S&T deal.

The Pistons then have the option to match and keep Monroe at 14.5 mil/yr over 4 years, or get Pekovic at 12 mil/yr over 4 years.

Which would you choose?

2014 stats

Monroe: 15 pts, 9 rebs on 50% FG in 33 mpg

Pekovic: 18 pts, 9 rebs on 54% FG in 31 mpg


Pekovic is a C. Why would we need him? (4/12 for Pek is a good deal, though)


Monroe is a C too, so what's the difference?

The differences are one costs 4/12 and produces more, and the other would cost 4/14 and produce less.

And one is 24 and the other 28. But Pek is young enough to where age shouldn't even be a factor in my opinion.

In terms of skillset, they are very similar players. So while Pek wouldn't necessarily be a better fit, he wouldn't fit any worse either.

The only real differences in playing style is Pek is a physical big, while Monroe is more finesse. But neither have a consistent jumpshot, and neither are good defenders, and both rely on scoring all their points inside, and both are about equal rebounders.

So its really a pretty even trade in basketball terms. Which is why if we could get the same thing from Pek for 2-3 mil yr less I'd look strongly at it. I also think we could use a physical big like him more than a finesse guy, and Pek's style is more conducive to defensive success. Even though he's not a great defender now, his strength/physicality can be big assets that you can use to your advantage on defense. Whereas Monroe doesn't really have many assets to contribute on defense.

I think it would be a fair trade and maybe Pek fits a little better defensively and costs a little less, so its something to maybe look at.

The reason I brought it up is because a MIN fan on the GB said he would trade Pek and the 13th pick for Monroe.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2162 » by Entourage27 » Fri May 23, 2014 12:48 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Entourage27 wrote:Trade Josh Smith & Tony Mitchell for Terrence Jones, Jeremy Lin & 2014 1st round pick (#25)

Draft CJ Wilcox at #25 and Mitch McGary aat #38

Trade Will Bynum & Jonas Jerebko for Martell Webster

Sign Alan Anderson to a 1 year 3 mill deal

Jennings / Lin / Billups / Siva
KCP / Wilcox / Anderson
Singler / Webster / Datome
Monroe / Terrence Jones
Drummond / Harrellson / McGary


I know you're new here, Entourage. But, I like your trade proposals. They're logical for both teams, and realistic in value.


Thanks man! Appreciate it coming from a seasoned poster like you. I don't think theirs a better hypothetical trade dealing smith then mine. It's a small price for Houston and we get an expiring, a young building block and a first round pick in this years draft.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2163 » by rmfc » Fri May 23, 2014 1:24 am

Q00 wrote:Monroe is a C too, so what's the difference?

The differences are one costs 4/12 and produces more, and the other would cost 4/14 and produce less.

And one is 24 and the other 28. But Pek is young enough to where age shouldn't even be a factor in my opinion.

In terms of skillset, they are very similar players. So while Pek wouldn't necessarily be a better fit, he wouldn't fit any worse either.

The only real differences in playing style is Pek is a physical big, while Monroe is more finesse. But neither have a consistent jumpshot, and neither are good defenders, and both rely on scoring all their points inside, and both are about equal rebounders.

So its really a pretty even trade in basketball terms. Which is why if we could get the same thing from Pek for 2-3 mil yr less I'd look strongly at it. I also think we could use a physical big like him more than a finesse guy, and Pek's style is more conducive to defensive success. Even though he's not a great defender now, his strength/physicality can be big assets that you can use to your advantage on defense. Whereas Monroe doesn't really have many assets to contribute on defense.

I think it would be a fair trade and maybe Pek fits a little better defensively and costs a little less, so its something to maybe look at.

The reason I brought it up is because a MIN fan on the GB said he would trade Pek and the 13th pick for Monroe.


That is the thing, though. We would only be looking to move because he plays like a C (without the defense). Why would you bring in another C as a replacement? If we are going to move Monroe, I'd like to get a young SF (or a PF that can shoot and defend) in return.

Regardless, Pek + 13 for Monroe is not a bad offer at all.
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Post#2164 » by tmorgan » Fri May 23, 2014 4:26 am

You definitely do that... then move Pek right along and pocket the pick.

Can't believe Minny would want to do that, though -- pay more for a player that isn't better (but IS younger) and chip in a first? Why?
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Post#2165 » by jakebernat » Fri May 23, 2014 7:16 am

sign and trade moose to denver for gallo, hickson, and the 11th pick. have denver draft stauskas for us, then we could do the trade when FA starts. the nuggets could then start shopping tragic bronson to make room for faried's extension.

I do this deal if gallo is guaranteed to be healthy. We keep smennings, but at least we put them in much better position to succeed. Siva, stauskas, KCP, gallo, and drummond is a very similar lineup to the one SVG took to the finals. smennings would have to put up or shutup.

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Post#2166 » by A_dub06 » Fri May 23, 2014 9:21 am

jakebernat wrote:sign and trade moose to denver for gallo, hickson, and the 11th pick. have denver draft stauskas for us, then we could do the trade when FA starts. the nuggets could then start shopping tragic bronson to make room for faried's extension.

I do this deal if gallo is guaranteed to be healthy. We keep smennings, but at least we put them in much better position to succeed. Siva, stauskas, KCP, gallo, and drummond is a very similar lineup to the one SVG took to the finals. smennings would have to put up or shutup.

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I prefer this over most moose deals I've seen however I don't think a sign and trade deal can net that much of a return


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Post#2167 » by coolness » Fri May 23, 2014 3:07 pm

1. 7 2nd's for 17th pick

2. Siva, Datome, Mitchell, and Harrelson for M.Dunleavy Jr.

3. 2015 1st rounder unconditional for 14th, 18th, and 27th

4. 14th for 21st and 29th

draft
17th - E.Payton
18th - C.Capella
21st - K.Porzingis
27th - C.Early
29th - S.Dinwiddie

5. trade Smoove and Jennings for Nash. more realistic than realgm posters would admit.

6. Bynum, Jerebko, and 2017 1st unconditional for Afflalo

7. re-sign Moose

8. sign Lowry, Hinrich, Kaman


pg: Lowry, Hinrich, Payton, Dinwiddie, Nash
wing: Afflalo, KCP, Singler, Dunleavy, Early
big: Drummond, Moose, Capella, Porzingis, Kaman

2 pg line-ups.
2 center line-ups.
stretch-4 line-ups.
shot-blocking help for Drummond.
improved shooting.
improved perimeter d.
versatility everywhere.
one large expiring in Nash helps.
size for playoffs.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2168 » by The Penguin » Fri May 23, 2014 3:30 pm

coolness wrote:5. trade Smoove and Jennings for Nash. more realistic than realgm posters would admit.




I think this is more realistic than people would realize as well. The Lakers aren't going to rebuild with youth, they are going to try to quickly hit the reset with Kobe. Nash isn't likely to retire and leave $9 mil on the table with the Lakers and he isn't likely to be very useful. This way they'd tie up some long term money but considering the Nash money as sunk costs they could get a starting PG and a starting 4 for just over $10 mil. Jennings would love to go to LA and Smith probably wouldn't mind a change of scenery. They could do this deal, resign Gasol and sign Deng or Ariza and have a semi-respectable starting 5 of Jennings/Kobe/Ariza/Smith/Gasol.
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Post#2169 » by Clarity » Fri May 23, 2014 4:33 pm

Piston Prince wrote:
coolness wrote:5. trade Smoove and Jennings for Nash. more realistic than realgm posters would admit.




I think this is more realistic than people would realize as well. The Lakers aren't going to rebuild with youth, they are going to try to quickly hit the reset with Kobe. Nash isn't likely to retire and leave $9 mil on the table with the Lakers and he isn't likely to be very useful. This way they'd tie up some long term money but considering the Nash money as sunk costs they could get a starting PG and a starting 4 for just over $10 mil. Jennings would love to go to LA and Smith probably wouldn't mind a change of scenery. They could do this deal, resign Gasol and sign Deng or Ariza and have a semi-respectable starting 5 of Jennings/Kobe/Ariza/Smith/Gasol.


I would do that deal too.

That Laker starting 5 would be a **** show & probably wouldnt even make the playoffs but there would be fireworks with Smith/Jennings & Kobe, might see the first same team fist fight lol
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2170 » by The Penguin » Fri May 23, 2014 7:03 pm

rade 1: Smith/Bynum for Thompson/Landry/Pick #8

Trade 2: Jennings/Singler/Mitchell/#38/Lotto protected '16 1st for Nash/#7

Decline Chauncey's option, buyout Nash ($5 mil, saving $4.5 mil), stretch Jonas (saving $3 mil)

Projected cap room ~$18 mil

Draft Smart #7, whoever is left of Gordon/Randle/Vonleh #8

Sign Lance ~$10 mil, Patty Mills ~$4 mil, Al Farouq Aminu ~$4 mil, Wes Johnson $2.5 mil room exemption

Smart/Mills/Siva
Lance/KCP
Aminu/Johnson/Datome
Monroe/(Randle-Vonleh-Gordon)/Landry
Drummond/Thompson/Harrellson
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2171 » by Laimbeer » Fri May 23, 2014 7:14 pm

^^ Trades one and two not realistic.
Comments to rationalize bad contracts -
1) It's less than the MLE
2) He can be traded later
3) It's only __% of the cap
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Post#2172 » by Neptune » Fri May 23, 2014 7:19 pm

Piston Prince wrote:rade 1: Smith/Bynum for Thompson/Landry/Pick #8

Trade 2: Jennings/Singler/Mitchell/#38/Lotto protected '16 1st for Nash/#7

Decline Chauncey's option, buyout Nash ($5 mil, saving $4.5 mil), stretch Jonas (saving $3 mil)

Projected cap room ~$18 mil

Draft Smart #7, whoever is left of Gordon/Randle/Vonleh #8

Sign Lance ~$10 mil, Patty Mills ~$4 mil, Al Farouq Aminu ~$4 mil, Wes Johnson $2.5 mil room exemption

Smart/Mills/Siva
Lance/KCP
Aminu/Johnson/Datome
Monroe/(Randle-Vonleh-Gordon)/Landry
Drummond/Thompson/Harrellson

No

The Pistons aren't trading Smith for trash and we're not trading Jennings+future 1st for a 40yr old PG. Don't let the media fool you guys, this draft is overrated.
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Post#2173 » by Clarity » Fri May 23, 2014 8:25 pm

Neptune wrote:Don't let the media fool you guys, this draft is overrated.


Stop it
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2174 » by Neptune » Fri May 23, 2014 8:50 pm

Clarity wrote:
Neptune wrote:Don't let the media fool you guys, this draft is overrated.


Stop it

There may be some sleepers out there. Some guys are acting like this is 03 or 2010 draft man.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2175 » by Clarity » Fri May 23, 2014 8:52 pm

Neptune wrote:
Clarity wrote:
Neptune wrote:Don't let the media fool you guys, this draft is overrated.


Stop it

There may be some sleepers out there. Some guys are acting like this is 03 or 2010 draft man.


On paper it looks like the strongest since then.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2176 » by Neptune » Fri May 23, 2014 9:04 pm

Clarity wrote:
Neptune wrote:
Clarity wrote:
Stop it

There may be some sleepers out there. Some guys are acting like this is 03 or 2010 draft man.


On paper it looks like the strongest since then.

I'll make sure I stay tuned-in. I know we'll talk about this again before the end of 2015 season. 8-)
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Post#2177 » by kf96 » Sat May 24, 2014 7:49 am

I am for this
2 Ways Stan Van Gundy Can Move Pistons on from Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings | Bleacher Report (via http://ble.ac/teamstream-) http://teamstre.am/1gqeuV8
But NOT for this one with D-Will

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Post#2178 » by Joe Berry » Sat May 24, 2014 12:04 pm

Smith trade proposal no. 54653824532

Smith, Bynum, Jerebko to the Bucks for Mayo and Ilyasova

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=onznc3r

- Mayo's and Ilyasova's contracts are 1 year shorter than Joshs contract
- both can actually shoot the 3 but had terrible off years
- Ilyasova is a stretch 4 and could work well with both Dre and Moose off the bench, a good coach can get something out of Mayo (see Dallas and Carlisle) - Mayo and KCP would be a decent duo at SG
- by including Bynum and Jerekbo it give the Pistons 5 more million instant capspace for this summer to look for a starting PG and SF

Bucks get a starting PF and rid of 2 disappointing players from last season. The only downside is that we could be stuck with three 8 mil bench players for the next 2 years. I fully expect Stan brings in a new starting PG like Lowry and maybe a SF like Wes Johnson.

Lowry/Jennings/Siva
KCP/Mayo
Wes Johnson/Singler/Datome
Monroe/Ilyasova/Mitchell
Dre/Jorts
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2179 » by Pharaoh » Sat May 24, 2014 12:25 pm

I mentioned Johnson a month ago and still think he's a prime candidate.

Nothing flash about his game but can do a job.

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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2180 » by engelbert321 » Sat May 24, 2014 3:47 pm

Any way we could trade Monroe for Sixers' pick?

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