The Trade Thread

[Piston Pete]

This is what needs to happen

Trade 1: DET/DEN/HOU
Pistons trade Josh Smith, Josh Harrelson, Kyle Singler for Wilson Chandler, JJ Hickson, T. Jones
Houston trades: Omer Asik, Terrence Jones for Josh Smith, Josh Harrelson
Denver trades: Wilson Chandler, JJ Hickson for Omer Asik, Kyle Singler

Why for us? We balance out or roster and create a drama free lockeroom
Why for Hou? They get Howards bestfriend and unload Asik
Why for Den? They get the C that they need

Trade 2: DET/WAS
Rodney Stuckey for either Martell Webster or Trever Ariza

Why for us? We get another wing that can shoot
Why for Was? They wont keep all of Webster/Ariza/Porter and need a productive 3rd guard

We become
Jennings/Billups/Bynum/Siva
Chandler/KCP
Ariza/Jones/Datome
Monroe/Hickson
Drummond/Monroe

Do I think Joe D will have the gonads to pull of a series of blockbuster trades? Probably not, but I do think these moves or similiar ones need to be made in order for us to become a halfway respectable team. We need shooters, period. And, Josh having clashes with Coach Cheeks makes the question of who should be traded quite easy.

I'd make those deals....but Jones is more PF than SF.

[ComboGuardCity]

Josh Smith isn't a Bad player, but it's beginning to be apparent he is a bad fit. He still has value in this league and I don't think he's a negative contract.


Pistons out: Bynum, Josh

Pistons in: Green, Lee

Dat Georgetown Princeton offense.

[ComboGuardCity]

Just realized the boston homerism doesn't just stop at tommy.

[MotownMadness]

Brooklyn would probably take Smith. They will usually take on any contract . If Dumars would admit his mistakes he could possibly pull of Smith for Pierce. Seeing as hes a expiring.

[Notanoob]

Come on guys. Monroe is better than Sullinger

Is he really though? With age and contract situation considered?

Greg Monroe: 14 points, 9 rebounds, 51%FG, 33mpg

Jared Sullinger: 14 points, 7 rebounds, 47%FG, 27mpg

Yes, Moose is better. Sully is an injury waiting to happen, and Moose's numbers are down because of who he's sharing the court with. Sully might have stretches where he plays better, but you can't count on him unless they find some way to even out the length of his legs. It's a shame, really, because he could be really good.

[BleedGreen1989]

Come on guys. Monroe is better than Sullinger

Is he really though? With age and contract situation considered?

Greg Monroe: 14 points, 9 rebounds, 51%FG, 33mpg

Jared Sullinger: 14 points, 7 rebounds, 47%FG, 27mpg

Yes, Moose is better. Sully is an injury waiting to happen, and Moose's numbers are down because of who he's sharing the court with. Sully might have stretches where he plays better, but you can't count on him unless they find some way to even out the length of his legs. It's a shame, really, because he could be really good.

If Sullinger had not had that surgery, he would likely be deemed untouchable by Boston. I'm not going to pretend it didn't happen, but saying an "injury waiting to happen" is quite extreme. He had surgery last year that was deemed a permanent corrective surgery and has not heard a peep from the back since.

Saying Monroe is putting up lower numbers because of who he's playing with, could be an argument used for half the players in the league.

Put it this way, if you polled 30 GM's on if they'd rather have Jared Sullinger at $2mill~ for 2 more years, or Greg Monroe at $12mill (I'll even assume he doesn't get the max), I'm willing to bet GM's would prefer Sullinger in an overwhelming fashion.

[ComboGuardCity]

Is he really though? With age and contract situation considered?

Greg Monroe: 14 points, 9 rebounds, 51%FG, 33mpg

Jared Sullinger: 14 points, 7 rebounds, 47%FG, 27mpg

Yes, Moose is better. Sully is an injury waiting to happen, and Moose's numbers are down because of who he's sharing the court with. Sully might have stretches where he plays better, but you can't count on him unless they find some way to even out the length of his legs. It's a shame, really, because he could be really good.

If Sullinger had not had that surgery, he would likely be deemed untouchable by Boston. I'm not going to pretend it didn't happen, but saying an "injury waiting to happen" is quite extreme. He had surgery last year that was deemed a permanent corrective surgery and has not heard a peep from the back since.

Saying Monroe is putting up lower numbers because of who he's playing with, could be an argument used for half the players in the league.

Put it this way, if you polled 30 GM's on if they'd rather have Jared Sullinger at $2mill~ for 2 more years, or Greg Monroe at $12mill (I'll even assume he doesn't get the max), I'm willing to bet GM's would prefer Sullinger in an overwhelming fashion.

I don't think so.

[Blkbrd671]

If Sullinger had not had that surgery, he would likely be deemed untouchable by Boston. I'm not going to pretend it didn't happen, but saying an "injury waiting to happen" is quite extreme. He had surgery last year that was deemed a permanent corrective surgery and has not heard a peep from the back since.

Food for thought, if this surgery deemed permanent corrective surgery has always been the solution, why all the red flags concerning Sully during evals and the draft. I mean if you have a player as talented as sully and see a injury that can be fixed indefinitely, why should his injury dramatically effect his value?

The answer is because no surgery in regards to the back and spine is permanently corrective. Especially in a sport where a player who is a big, has to bang against guys a whole lot bigger than him. Sully has a injury history dating all the way back to college, and its going to continue. While sully maybe playing really good basketball, fact is he is literally 1 reoccurring injury away from retirement or being relegated to limited minutes for a long amount of time.

Saying Monroe is putting up lower numbers because of who he's playing with, could be an argument used for half the players in the league.

Truth, but if you put sully next to dre and Smith, do you not think it'll effect his production or touches? this I believe is the point that is being made

Put it this way, if you polled 30 GM's on if they'd rather have Jared Sullinger at $2mill~ for 2 more years, or Greg Monroe at $12mill (I'll even assume he doesn't get the max), I'm willing to bet GM's would prefer Sullinger in an overwhelming fashion.

if you polled 30gm's on if they'd rather have Sully who's health is still a question at 2 mil for 2 more years, or greg Monroe who has remained healthy for the past 4. i'm sure GM's would preferthe healthy player.

No matter how much you want to tell your self that 30 games of being healthy after 1 surgery erases the past 3+ years of health issues, fact of the matter is it doesn't, and most GM's will see that.

[BadMofoPimp]

Big men like Monroe are much more valuable. I bet GM's would take Monroe 30 for 30.

[princeofpalace]

Don't mind the Celtics fans, Sullinger is the new Avery Bradley. Remember those Avery Bradley is the next Joe Dumars at worst threads?

[Blkbrd671]

Don't mind the Celtics fans, Sullinger is the new Avery Bradley. Remember those Avery Bradley is the next Joe Dumars at worst threads?

Who's avery Bradley? ...............

[need4detroit]

Pistons trade Josh Smith for Harrison Barnes and David Lee according to Adrian Wojnarowski.

Edit:
It was actually for Aaron Aflalo. Yup, Aaron Aflalo is headed back to detroit.

[Piston Pete]

Pistons trade Josh Smith for Harrison Barnes and David Lee according to Adrian Wojnarowski.

Edit:
It was actually for Aaron Aflalo. Yup, Aaron Aflalo is headed back to detroit.

Nice try

[ComboGuardCity]

I googled

[momed11]

The best trade one could hope for in my opinion:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lputjh7

throw around the 2016 1st and/or 2nd round picks if/as necessary.

Getting out of the smoove deal may cost us a first rounder, houston may take smoove as their "stretch four" (lol)- i am reluctant to give up moose in any deal unless you get the full bang for the buck.

[Piston Pete]

If we end up trading Josh Smith, teams that he will fit well on include:

Washington
Houston (he is Dwight's good friend)
NYK's
Brooklyn
Philly
Charlotte
Lakers

[Notanoob]

If Sullinger had not had that surgery, he would likely be deemed untouchable by Boston. I'm not going to pretend it didn't happen, but saying an "injury waiting to happen" is quite extreme. He had surgery last year that was deemed a permanent corrective surgery and has not heard a peep from the back since.

Saying Monroe is putting up lower numbers because of who he's playing with, could be an argument used for half the players in the league.

Put it this way, if you polled 30 GM's on if they'd rather have Jared Sullinger at $2mill~ for 2 more years, or Greg Monroe at $12mill (I'll even assume he doesn't get the max), I'm willing to bet GM's would prefer Sullinger in an overwhelming fashion.

Given that one of his legs in 2 inches longer than the other, and that back problems never seem to go away, I consider Sully an injury waiting to happen. Not that I'm a doctor or anything, but that's what I think.

You gave me a comparison of their raw boxscore averages. Monroe is scoring on a better percentage, but is getting less touches because he's sharing shots with notorious chuckers Jennings and Smith. Sully on a young team with a smart coach. The best player is getting the most touches. I think it's reasonable to infer that Moose's numbers would be more like his 2011/2012 numbers than now if he didn't give up so many shots to teammates, while Sully's already a less efficient guy.

You said who was the best player, IIRC. That does not include their contract situations. I think Monroe's a better player, but guys on their rookie contracts are regularly very underpaid. It's not apples to apples.

[vege]

Haven't been posting much but here goes one of my trade ideas.

Detroit Out: Will Bynum, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Kyle Singler
Detroit In: Aron Afflalo and Solomon Jones (or any other min salary filler).

Drummond / Harrellson
Monroe / Villanueva
Smith / Datome
Afflalo / Stuckey
Jenninge / Billups

We get Afflalo back without give up any of our 5 core players (Drummond/Monroe/Smith/Stuckey/Jennings).

Orlando Out: Aron Afflalo and Solomon Jones (or any other min salary filler)
Orlando In: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Hasheem Thabeet, Kyle Singler, OKC top 20 protected 1st.

They turn Afflalo into KCP, Singler, a 1st and 3.5 million in raw cap space right now (after they waive Torkoglu).

OKC Out: Hasheem Thabeet, OKC top 20 protected 1st.
OKC In: Will Bynum

Perkins / Adams
Ibaka / Collison
Durant / Jones
Sefolosha / Lamb
(Westbrook) Jackson / Bynum

They add a decent backup veteran PG who can contribute a lot more than Derek Fisher at this point, they pay a late first for it and stay just under the LT.

[ducler]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6394652

Teams involved: Pistons, Celtics, Rockets, Magic.

Pistons:
IN: Jeff Green, Arron Afflalo, Jameer Nelson, Gerald Wallace
OUT: Josh Smith, Rodney Stuckey, Kyle Singler, Will Bynum, Jonas Jerebko, Charlie Villanueva
New lineup:
Drummond/Monroe/Harrelson
Monroe/Green/Harrelson
Green/Wallace/Datome
Afflalo/KCP/Billups
Jennings/Nelson/Billups
Why for Pistons? Open up the floor better, improves the SG situation.

Celtics:
IN: Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Kyle Singler, Jonas Jerebko
OUT: Jeff Green, Gerald Wallace, Courtney Lee
New lineup:
Asik/Faverani/Sullinger
Bass/Sullinger/Humphries
Singler/Brooks/Jerebko
Bradley/Crawford
Rondo/Lin
Why for Celtics? They unload the contracts of Wallace and Lee, take the C they wanted, a guy who can really play PG to backup Rondo and a couple of hustle guys with Singler and Jerebko (and a change of scenario can be a great thing for JJ).

Rockets:
IN: Josh Smith, Courtney Lee
OUT: Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin
New lineup:
Howard/G.Smith
J.Smith/Jones
Parsons/Casspi
Harden/Garcia/Lee
Beverley/Brooks/Lee
Why for Rockets? They take D12 great friend in Smith, will have a new really good starting lineup and will not have to pay Asik 14M and more next year.

Magic:
IN: Rodney Stuckey, Will Bynum, Charlie Villanueva
OUT: Arron Afflalo, Jameer Nelson
New lineup:
Vucevic/Nicholson
Davis/Maxiell
Harris/Harkless
Oladipo/Stuckey
Stuckey/Bynum/Price
Why for Magic? They clear space for Oladipo at the SG position and will have the contracts of CV and Stuckey that will come off the books this summer (more than 16M to use to continue to build their team).

[ComboGuardCity]

Magic say no.