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[Snakebites]

Is this the most cursed and injury prone the league has seen so far?

So far in the post season...per reddit

Embiid is playing on one leg with a partial MCL tear

Kyrie is out indefinitely with a sprained ankle

Kawhi is out with a ACL tear

Harden is playing on one leg

Chris Paul has possibly COVID

Mike Conley is out for now with a bad hammy

Donovan Mitchell is on one leg

The Lakers are out of the playoffs due to injuries from Bron and AD

The Nuggets are out of the playoffs due to no Jamal Murray
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/o19ikf/can_we_recap_whats_going_on_here/

That's a lot of injuries on stars and superstars

Curse, or product of a packed in, sped up season?

SVG out. I was shocked they hired him, hardly surprised he only lasted men year.

[DBC10]

Is this the most cursed and injury prone the league has seen so far?

So far in the post season...per reddit

Embiid is playing on one leg with a partial MCL tear

Kyrie is out indefinitely with a sprained ankle

Kawhi is out with a ACL tear

Harden is playing on one leg

Chris Paul has possibly COVID

Mike Conley is out for now with a bad hammy

Donovan Mitchell is on one leg

The Lakers are out of the playoffs due to injuries from Bron and AD

The Nuggets are out of the playoffs due to no Jamal Murray
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/o19ikf/can_we_recap_whats_going_on_here/

That's a lot of injuries on stars and superstars

Curse, or product of a packed in, sped up season?

SVG out. I was shocked they hired him, hardly surprised he only lasted men year.

Yep, I sincerely doubt the owners will ever agree to this type of arrangement and compact schedule of the season again. In fact the player's union will likely come out against it first

[Snakebites]

Is this the most cursed and injury prone the league has seen so far?

So far in the post season...per reddit



That's a lot of injuries on stars and superstars

Curse, or product of a packed in, sped up season?

SVG out. I was shocked they hired him, hardly surprised he only lasted men year.

Yep, I sincerely doubt the owners will ever agree to this type of arrangement and compact schedule of the season again. In fact the player's union will likely come out against it first

The players never wanted this many games. It was the owners.

It’s proven to be a mistake.

[chrbal]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/crazy-times-for-dallas-mavericks-1847125116/amp

I’m honestly surprised that it ended like this for Carlisle

[Cowology]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/crazy-times-for-dallas-mavericks-1847125116/amp

I’m honestly surprised that it ended like this for Carlisle

13 years is a long time. 7 years is the longest I've ever stayed with one company, and I'm not sure if I'll ever top that. And it certainly seems like there are some significant changes taking place with regards to who has Cuban's ear.

He's a great coach; I imagine he'll pretty much have his choice of openings if he wants.

[Southern Piston]

I’d bet Carslyle might end up in Boston, I think he’s the best coach in the NBA, his teams regularly over perform, including here, snd his championship team, I think if we would have kept him as coach we would have won a couple more titles too

[Cowology]

I’d bet Carslyle might end up in Boston, I think he’s the best coach in the NBA, his teams regularly over perform, including here, snd his championship team, I think if we would have kept him as coach we would have won a couple more titles too

I'll agree to disagree on this one.

What Carlisle did here in his first 2 years as a head coach was maximize the talent he had. He put players in situations to be successful and limited the exposure of their weaknesses. That was why we "over achieved", but also why the team wasn't able to take the next step. Usually you see teams kick it up a notch in the post-season, find another gear, but the Pistons were essentially playing that way the entire season already. There wasn't an extra level to go to.

What LB did was almost the complete opposite; he pushed guys out of their comfort zones and forced them to grow as players. Even though that felt worse in the regular season, it showed out in the playoffs.

That's something that I think Carlisle has gotten better about over the years, but he's still better at maximizing talent than developing it. An important distinction to make when looking at fit within an organization.

[chrbal]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/crazy-times-for-dallas-mavericks-1847125116/amp

I’m honestly surprised that it ended like this for Carlisle

13 years is a long time. 7 years is the longest I've ever stayed with one company, and I'm not sure if I'll ever top that. And it certainly seems like there are some significant changes taking place with regards to who has Cuban's ear.

He's a great coach; I imagine he'll pretty much have his choice of openings if he wants.

Yeah that’s true. And I guess he and luka didn’t get along great.

[chrbal]

I’d bet Carslyle might end up in Boston, I think he’s the best coach in the NBA, his teams regularly over perform, including here, snd his championship team, I think if we would have kept him as coach we would have won a couple more titles too

How do you figure we win more titles? We’d have half as many Wallace’s

[Snakebites]

I’d bet Carslyle might end up in Boston, I think he’s the best coach in the NBA, his teams regularly over perform, including here, snd his championship team, I think if we would have kept him as coach we would have won a couple more titles too

How do you figure we win more titles? We’d have half as many Wallace’s

Eh. Brown doesn’t get credit for us trading for Wallace.

You’re technically correct that we don’t know if we’d have ended up with that trade had we not hired Brown, but that’s meaningless when comparing them as coaches.

I don’t think replacing Rick with Brown was the right move. That we won a championship that year doesn’t mean every decision Dumars made is untouchable.

[chrbal]

I’d bet Carslyle might end up in Boston, I think he’s the best coach in the NBA, his teams regularly over perform, including here, snd his championship team, I think if we would have kept him as coach we would have won a couple more titles too

How do you figure we win more titles? We’d have half as many Wallace’s

Eh. Brown doesn’t get credit for us trading for Wallace.

You’re technically correct that we don’t know if we’d have ended up with that trade had we not hired Brown, but that’s meaningless when comparing them as coaches.

I don’t think replacing Rick with Brown was the right move. That we won a championship that year doesn’t mean every decision Dumars made is untouchable.

Not to use a conspiracy theory, but I think the Tar Heel connection helped make it happen. I’m not saying it’s all of it, a lot should go to dumars and ainge. Little bit to the hawks for not wanting him but trading for him anyway.

But coach for coach, we should have kept Rick. Even if only to avoid the suddenly larrys a Knick drama

[The Moose]

OKC are the masters of collecting first round picks. They took CP3 while getting a 1st round pick on top, and then were able to flip CP3 for another first round pick. They collected a first round pick to take on Horford and have now traded him for another 1st round pick.

[bstein14]

OKC are the masters of collecting first round picks. They took CP3 while getting a 1st round pick on top, and then were able to flip CP3 for another first round pick. They collected a first round pick to take on Horford and have now traded him for another 1st round pick.

Instead of buying Blake out, we could have gotten a trade like this. Then a year later Kemba is a huge expiring you can land more picks for as well. Plus you know OKC will highlight Kemba and make him look good just to move on from him.

They now could be an interesting trading partner in this draft if we land a higher pick than them and they want to move up. They have so many picks they will eventually need to consolidate them and we're still in a position where we need to add multiple guys to the roster. OKC has picks #16 and #18 which is right in that sweet spot where Weaver found Bey & Stewart last year.

#2 for #4, #16, #18 would be an interesting deal for sure.

[buzzkilloton]

OKC are the masters of collecting first round picks. They took CP3 while getting a 1st round pick on top, and then were able to flip CP3 for another first round pick. They collected a first round pick to take on Horford and have now traded him for another 1st round pick.

Yup its the way to do things. You use your cap space to pick up vets on big contracts that another team doesnt want so you get extra 1st rounders. Then you try to get said vets to turn it around and ship them for more picks if possible.

I'd love to of been able to get the 16th pick in this draft.

[The Moose]

OKC are the masters of collecting first round picks. They took CP3 while getting a 1st round pick on top, and then were able to flip CP3 for another first round pick. They collected a first round pick to take on Horford and have now traded him for another 1st round pick.

Instead of buying Blake out, we could have gotten a trade like this. Then a year later Kemba is a huge expiring you can land more picks for as well. Plus you know OKC will highlight Kemba and make him look good just to move on from him.

They now could be an interesting trading partner in this draft if we land a higher pick than them and they want to move up. They have so many picks they will eventually need to consolidate them and we're still in a position where we need to add multiple guys to the roster. OKC has picks #16 and #18 which is right in that sweet spot where Weaver found Bey & Stewart last year.

#2 for #4, #16, #18 would be an interesting deal for sure.

yea i presume they will just use Kemba like they did with Horford next season. Play him for a half a season, then shut him down and trade him for a 1st round pick in the next offseason.
I also think they maybe trying to make sure they can move up this year if they fall out of the lottery.
I wonder if they ended up with say #4 and #5 (from HOU) if they would try to trade up

[chrbal]

OKC are the masters of collecting first round picks. They took CP3 while getting a 1st round pick on top, and then were able to flip CP3 for another first round pick. They collected a first round pick to take on Horford and have now traded him for another 1st round pick.

Instead of buying Blake out, we could have gotten a trade like this.

Yeah, but al has more perceived value and played the role of happy camper.

I’m not so sure Boston trades Kemba and 16 for Blake. Also Stevens might not have been the person that was ok with al being allowed to leave Boston in the first place.

But yes if we could set up these kinds of trades, absolutely.

Like if Boston was ok with Joseph and McGruder ( full guarantee), plumlee and 37 for Walker and 16…then that should have absolutely happened

[DBC10]

What is the perceived value of Ben Simmons? In one series, it looks like BS' value has plummeted after being the focal point in a potential James Harden trade...just this year

Ben has been basically what Drummond was to us, literally no improvement from his rookie years. Especially on his offense, his defense I will give him that, that he has the physical tools to be a top defender quite handily

[Laimbeer]

OKC are the masters of collecting first round picks. They took CP3 while getting a 1st round pick on top, and then were able to flip CP3 for another first round pick. They collected a first round pick to take on Horford and have now traded him for another 1st round pick.

Instead of buying Blake out, we could have gotten a trade like this.

Yeah, but al has more perceived value and played the role of happy camper.

I’m not so sure Boston trades Kemba and 16 for Blake. Also Stevens might not have been the person that was ok with al being allowed to leave Boston in the first place.

But yes if we could set up these kinds of trades, absolutely.

Like if Boston was ok with Joseph and McGruder ( full guarantee), plumlee and 37 for Walker and 16…then that should have absolutely happened

Hate to say it, but Blake got what he wanted by dogging it. Must have had an attitude to just get sent home. Boston loves Horford and he fills the center spot adequately.

[chrbal]

Instead of buying Blake out, we could have gotten a trade like this.

Yeah, but al has more perceived value and played the role of happy camper.

I’m not so sure Boston trades Kemba and 16 for Blake. Also Stevens might not have been the person that was ok with al being allowed to leave Boston in the first place.

But yes if we could set up these kinds of trades, absolutely.

Like if Boston was ok with Joseph and McGruder ( full guarantee), plumlee and 37 for Walker and 16…then that should have absolutely happened

Hate to say it, but Blake got what he wanted by dogging it. Must have had an attitude to just get sent home. Boston loves Horford and he fills the center spot adequately.

Oh there’s no denying Blake got exactly what he wanted.

I’m just saying in a world where Blake plays happy camper, Boston still probably chooses Al over Blake.

[tmorgan]

Watching Gobert get worked is a reminder of why I’m legit excited about watching Stewart develop. He can shoot, he’s not lead footed, and he plays with energy. He’s a modern center, and most of the types he might not be able to handle (legit BIG bigs) are getting phased out of the league. We may have struck real gold here.