Trade deadline thread

[Pharaoh]

Yeah I disagree that Zinger would be a bad fit. If we draft Miller or Whitmore we will be looking to add a guy just like Zinger. Ofc if we get Wemby or Walker(whos rising on boards) then we wouldnt have a need for him. Zinger can shoot the 3pter and he can protect the rim both things we need. I think you're underselling how much better he is then Stew personally. As good of a rebounder Duren is his rim protection has been lacking. We can also run Zinger at the 4 and 5.

As you said I'm well aware its a bad contract. The thing is regardless of who we sign its going to be a bad contract. Were not going to get Kuzma,Williams,Brooks,Cam, or anyone on a good contract in free agency. Every deal is going to be a bad deal if they choose us over somewhere else. Like were looking at 25-30mill for these sort of guys or 40mill for Zinger. Thats why I said if you can lose Bagleys 12.5 mill in the deal I would rather have Zinger then a guy like Kuzma on a max who we were orginally talking about when Zinger was brought up.

Another thing we have coming up is Stewart is going to be getting a new contract. Figuring were paying Bagley 12.5mill what is Stewarts raise going to? Thats Weavers guy so hes going to get paid at least more then Bagley. So we will be paying 30 mill for a Bagley/Stew combo.

Could we use the IDEA of Zinger or his skillset? Absolutely. I won't debate that. But when you bring the money into it, that changes everything. And you're adding to my point by saying any guy we sign is going to be a bad contract, which my argument for Ayton at the time was that it literally required you to give him a max to get him. I don't think that's the case for Porzingis and Kuzma for that matter. I don't think anybody's lining up to give them a max and if the conversation becomes "hey I'm gonna need the max to come play for you or I'll take $20 something million from this other team" then by all means, bye mf. I wasn't the biggest "Stewart at PF" but what exactly is the plan with him if you max Porzingis? Put him on the bench?

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Plan then would be you got Duren, Stewart and Zinger at the 4/5 splitting those 96 minutes between 3 dudes and a vet yet to be named.

That said handing over max money to the vast majority of free agents atm is not wise.

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[NYPiston]

Weaver asking for two 1sts for Bojan? I know it's probably a negotiating tactic because there are so many buyers and so few sellers so the Pistons have leverage but that's almost negotiating in bad faith or him saying that Bojan is untouchable.

[DetroitSho]

Weaver asking for two 1sts for Bojan? I know it's probably a negotiating tactic because there are so many buyers and so few sellers so the Pistons have leverage but that's almost negotiating in bad faith or him saying that Bojan is untouchable.

Would you trade him for the 26th pick and salary filler?

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[NYPiston]

As for Weaver, yeah, its gonna be put up, or shut-up time. All the good will he created with his initial tear down, and picks, is going to be used up by the time next season starts for sure. I don't care what your plan is, if it entails 4 gutter seasons in a row, your master plan better be a full house on the river.

I agree that expectations for winning need to be raised next season but the reality is, and I know it feels longer, that this is only Year 2 of the full rebuild. Rose was traded and Griffin was bought out only 2 short years ago (believe it or not) so this is only Year 2 of the rebuild missing their best player the entire season basically so I don't think the plan is really that far off course, outside of Cade losing an entire development year which is bad obviously.

Weaver's first real big decisions are coming up with the rookie contracts of his first class nearing an end. I think Stewart will surely be here for his 2nd contract but Bey is the real big question mark and it's a decision that might need to be made sooner than later if they don't believe him to be a part of the core.

[buzzkilloton]

Yeah I disagree that Zinger would be a bad fit. If we draft Miller or Whitmore we will be looking to add a guy just like Zinger. Ofc if we get Wemby or Walker(whos rising on boards) then we wouldnt have a need for him. Zinger can shoot the 3pter and he can protect the rim both things we need. I think you're underselling how much better he is then Stew personally. As good of a rebounder Duren is his rim protection has been lacking. We can also run Zinger at the 4 and 5.

As you said I'm well aware its a bad contract. The thing is regardless of who we sign its going to be a bad contract. Were not going to get Kuzma,Williams,Brooks,Cam, or anyone on a good contract in free agency. Every deal is going to be a bad deal if they choose us over somewhere else. Like were looking at 25-30mill for these sort of guys or 40mill for Zinger. Thats why I said if you can lose Bagleys 12.5 mill in the deal I would rather have Zinger then a guy like Kuzma on a max who we were orginally talking about when Zinger was brought up.

Another thing we have coming up is Stewart is going to be getting a new contract. Figuring were paying Bagley 12.5mill what is Stewarts raise going to? Thats Weavers guy so hes going to get paid at least more then Bagley. So we will be paying 30 mill for a Bagley/Stew combo.

Could we use the IDEA of Zinger or his skillset? Absolutely. I won't debate that. But when you bring the money into it, that changes everything. And you're adding to my point by saying any guy we sign is going to be a bad contract, which my argument for Ayton at the time was that it literally required you to give him a max to get him. I don't think that's the case for Porzingis and Kuzma for that matter. I don't think anybody's lining up to give them a max and if the conversation becomes "hey I'm gonna need the max to come play for you or I'll take $20 something million from this other team" then by all means, bye mf. I wasn't the biggest "Stewart at PF" but what exactly is the plan with him if you max Porzingis? Put him on the bench?

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Yeah I think on a contender you want to have Stew as your 1st big off the bench not a starter.

[buzzkilloton]

As for Weaver, yeah, its gonna be put up, or shut-up time. All the good will he created with his initial tear down, and picks, is going to be used up by the time next season starts for sure. I don't care what your plan is, if it entails 4 gutter seasons in a row, your master plan better be a full house on the river.

I agree that expectations for winning need to be raised next season but the reality is, and I know it feels longer, that this is only Year 2 of the full rebuild. Rose was traded and Griffin was bought out only 2 short years ago (believe it or not) so this is only Year 2 of the rebuild missing their best player the entire season basically so I don't think the plan is really that far off course, outside of Cade losing an entire development year which is bad obviously.

This is year 3 we have 3 Weaver draft classes already

Weaver is already coming up on some big decisions with his first rookie class next contracts.

[NYPiston]

Would you trade him for the 26th pick and salary filler?

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No, but I'd take a 1st plus a young project player. Setting the asking price at two 1sts this close to the deadline is indicative of a GM who has no interest in trading that player.

While I like what Bojan brings in terms of scoring and some of the on court leadership he shows, I don't see where he fits going forward. He's the type of guy that's a perfect fit on a win now team that needs that final piece, not as one of the top players on a rebuilding team. The longer they wait to trade him the more his value will likely depreciate so if they can get a 1st+prospect for him, I'd pull the trigger if I was Weaver. 1sts always have value and since the Pistons can't trade any 1sts, it could be a valuable trade piece going forward for a player that fills a need and fits their timeline better. Weaver turned that Milwaukee 1st into Duren, for example.

[DetroitSho]

Yeah I disagree that Zinger would be a bad fit. If we draft Miller or Whitmore we will be looking to add a guy just like Zinger. Ofc if we get Wemby or Walker(whos rising on boards) then we wouldnt have a need for him. Zinger can shoot the 3pter and he can protect the rim both things we need. I think you're underselling how much better he is then Stew personally. As good of a rebounder Duren is his rim protection has been lacking. We can also run Zinger at the 4 and 5.

As you said I'm well aware its a bad contract. The thing is regardless of who we sign its going to be a bad contract. Were not going to get Kuzma,Williams,Brooks,Cam, or anyone on a good contract in free agency. Every deal is going to be a bad deal if they choose us over somewhere else. Like were looking at 25-30mill for these sort of guys or 40mill for Zinger. Thats why I said if you can lose Bagleys 12.5 mill in the deal I would rather have Zinger then a guy like Kuzma on a max who we were orginally talking about when Zinger was brought up.

Another thing we have coming up is Stewart is going to be getting a new contract. Figuring were paying Bagley 12.5mill what is Stewarts raise going to? Thats Weavers guy so hes going to get paid at least more then Bagley. So we will be paying 30 mill for a Bagley/Stew combo.

Could we use the IDEA of Zinger or his skillset? Absolutely. I won't debate that. But when you bring the money into it, that changes everything. And you're adding to my point by saying any guy we sign is going to be a bad contract, which my argument for Ayton at the time was that it literally required you to give him a max to get him. I don't think that's the case for Porzingis and Kuzma for that matter. I don't think anybody's lining up to give them a max and if the conversation becomes "hey I'm gonna need the max to come play for you or I'll take $20 something million from this other team" then by all means, bye mf. I wasn't the biggest "Stewart at PF" but what exactly is the plan with him if you max Porzingis? Put him on the bench?

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Yeah I think on a contender you want to have Stew as your 1st big off the bench not a starter.

The question is, is Porzingis a max guy on a contender?

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[DetroitSho]

Would you trade him for the 26th pick and salary filler?

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No, but I'd take a 1st plus a young project player. Setting the asking price at two 1sts this close to the deadline is indicative of a GM who has no interest in trading that player.

While I like what Bojan brings in terms of scoring and some of the on court leadership he shows, I don't see where he fits going forward. He's the type of guy that's a perfect fit on a win now team that needs that final piece, not as one of the top players on a rebuilding team. The longer they wait to trade him the more his value will likely depreciate so if they can get a 1st+prospect for him, I'd pull the trigger if I was Weaver. 1sts always have value and since the Pistons can't trade any 1sts, it could be a valuable trade piece going forward for a player that fills a need and fits their timeline better. Weaver turned that Milwaukee 1st into Duren, for example.

You honestly just described the 2 1sts that Weaver is asking for. Understand he's asking for these 1sts from contenders that will be picking in that 26-30 range. So 2 of those or 1 of those and a young that was recently picked in that range holds about the same value to be honest. I don't think him settling on your package is out of the question by the way, but there's no point in asking for less right now. F them other teams, make em sweat.

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[buzzkilloton]

Could we use the IDEA of Zinger or his skillset? Absolutely. I won't debate that. But when you bring the money into it, that changes everything. And you're adding to my point by saying any guy we sign is going to be a bad contract, which my argument for Ayton at the time was that it literally required you to give him a max to get him. I don't think that's the case for Porzingis and Kuzma for that matter. I don't think anybody's lining up to give them a max and if the conversation becomes "hey I'm gonna need the max to come play for you or I'll take $20 something million from this other team" then by all means, bye mf. I wasn't the biggest "Stewart at PF" but what exactly is the plan with him if you max Porzingis? Put him on the bench?

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Yeah I think on a contender you want to have Stew as your 1st big off the bench not a starter.

The question is, is Porzingis a max guy on a contender?

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As a #3 he can be a max guy on contender but not a #2. Were not going to get a #2 guy in free agency of that level it would be impossible. The question with Zinger hasnt been talent its been health. Thats where the dice roll is. Obv I get it didnt work out in Dallas but him and Luka didnt get along and he was just off a ACl there.

It sounds like im beating the table for Zinger I'm not. I was moreso saying I like him more then some other names if we could lose Bagley.

[NYPiston]

Would you trade him for the 26th pick and salary filler?

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You honestly just described the 2 1sts that Weaver is asking for. Understand he's asking for these 1sts from contenders that will be picking in that 26-30 range. So 2 of those or 1 of those and a young that was recently picked in that range holds about the same value to be honest. I don't think him settling on your package is out of the question by the way, but there's no point in asking for less right now. F them other teams, make em sweat.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset at Weaver for setting the price high as he's negotiating from a position of strength but I agree that he has no need to settle for perceived market value at this point. Perhaps when we near the deadline, if the seller market remains dry, Weaver might be able to squeeze more from a desperate contender so no need to rush a deal now or even in the next week to week and a half.

[DetroitSho]

Yeah I think on a contender you want to have Stew as your 1st big off the bench not a starter.

The question is, is Porzingis a max guy on a contender?

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As a #3 he can be a max guy on contender but not a #2. Were not going to get a #2 guy in free agency of that level it would be impossible. The question with Zinger hasnt been talent its been health. Thats where the dice roll is. Obv I get it didnt work out in Dallas but him and Luka didnt get along and he was just off a ACl there.

It sounds like im beating the table for Zinger I'm not. I was moreso saying I like him more then some other names if we could lose Bagley.

Nah I got you, the whole Bagley swap didn't get lost in context. Me personally if I felt that strongly about Bagley, I'd soon not play him or do so sparingly than to take on a max Porzingis just to get out of his deal.

Actually, let me just add this. In a nutshell, losing Bagley's salary wouldn't make me feel better about paying Porzingis like it does you.

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[DetroitSho]

You honestly just described the 2 1sts that Weaver is asking for. Understand he's asking for these 1sts from contenders that will be picking in that 26-30 range. So 2 of those or 1 of those and a young that was recently picked in that range holds about the same value to be honest. I don't think him settling on your package is out of the question by the way, but there's no point in asking for less right now. F them other teams, make em sweat.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset at Weaver for setting the price high as he's negotiating from a position of strength but I agree that he has no need to settle for perceived market value at this point. Perhaps when we near the deadline, if the seller market remains dry, Weaver might be able to squeeze more from a desperate contender so no need to rush a deal now or even in the next week to week and a half.

Yessir

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[Kalamazoo317]

Yeah I think on a contender you want to have Stew as your 1st big off the bench not a starter.

I think if we become a contender any time soon, it's in part because Beefstew developed into Al Horford 2.0 and is fully worthy of starting. He's definitely added something to his game every season so far.

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This takes away a lot of the Lakers tradeable assets. I doubt they are done. Beverly, Westbrook and those 2027/2029 FRPs are still left.

[Canadafan]

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[vege]

What would be the price to acquire Ruy Hachimura?

We are trying to develop equaly unimpressive prospects like Hayes, Bey, Bagley, Livers and co, might as well try to add another card to the fold.

Would a bunch of 2nds be enough?

I wouldn't mind it but the guy is terrible on defense I'm not sure he'd have a real place here

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He would've costed us CoJo and 3 2nds. Could've been worth a look.

[Canadafan]

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[MortSahlfan]

I rather get a proven young player.. Draft picks are crap-shoots, and we're eventually going to have to pay all our guys, based on "potential". Or, who knows what Weaver does. If you blow up a team, you better get the right players. We won our last title by making trades. We had won 32 games before Carlisle changed the culture. I think Casey is just a seat-warmer. If he's this "great developer", then he's here to do that, and I'm sure he'll be replaced soon. But it better be someone good. Eventually we have to start winning, this is getting ridiculous.