The Trade Thread

[Neptune]

Trade forum:
Pistons deal: Josh Smith, Kyle Singler, Josh Harrelson, #38 overall pick
Kings deal: Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, Travis Outlaw #8 overall pick

Landry and Outlaw are terrible. We're basically giving up Smith and Singler for Thompson and probably Marcus Smart. That's a risky deal man.

[Kilo]

Thinking aloud but doesn't Kevin Love hitting the market help the Pistons in that it creates a runners up market interest in both Monroe and Smith? I mean if teams publicly are in the bidding for Love and strike out - were they not admitting that they feel they have a weakness at PF on their squad? Also more than likely names will leak who were offered for Love and those players could feel disrespected/unwanted and it might be easier for their current team to look to then move them elsewhere rather than trying to repair that relationship while getting their fanbase back on board that they really like their current players and don't really feel the need to upgrade at PF.

Enter the Pistons and Smith and Monroe.

[MotorCityFanBoy]

Just a question for the board. How would Irving fit with this team? It's been speculated (and now a report has come out) that he won't resign with Cleveland. Not sure if its just because he wants to go to a premier market or what and I think we can all agree Detroit wouldn't be on top of that list..But if its simply that he wants out of Cleveland..How would he fit here and what would it cost to get him?

Let me also say I do think he is a bit overrated but I am just curious.

[DowJones]

Just a question for the board. How would Irving fit with this team? It's been speculated (and now a report has come out) that he won't resign with Cleveland. Not sure if its just because he wants to go to a premier market or what and I think we can all agree Detroit wouldn't be on top of that list..But if its simply that he wants out of Cleveland..How would he fit here and what would it cost to get him?

Let me also say I do think he is a bit overrated but I am just curious.

You don't have anything that Cleveland would want....at least nothing that you would be willing to give up. Cleveland is drafting Embiid so there is no need for Monroe. Cleveland's future at the 4 and 5 is set with Bennett and Embiid.

Cleveland won't trade Kyrie. Right now Kyrie wants the full max and Cleveland doesn't really want to give it to him. I think Cleveland eventually does give it to him. Heck, maybe Cleveland is demanding Kyrie take the 5 year max (making him a Cavalier for at least the next 6 years) as opposed to the 3 year extension (making him a Cavalier for the next 4).

I think Kyrie would be a great fit in Detroit, to be honest. A fantastic fit. His shooting would space the court and you would have an elite PG under 25 and an elite C under 25. That is always a GREAT foundation for a roster. The good news for Cleveland is that we will now have an elite young Center/PG combo.

[Kilo]

Only chance at Cleveland moving Irving would be to trade him for a big after drafting Wiggins as their new hotness. But they'll draft Embiid or draft Wiggins or Parker and trade Waiters for a big.

I thin Waiters/Thompson for Monroe/KCP would make a lot of sense(If Cleveland went Wiggins/Parker), but neither team would want to make that inter-division trade.

[tmorgan]

Kyrie is way better than Jennings, but he's the same kind of player -- all offense, no defense. I'd prefer someone without the scoring that can actually guard someone.

[rmfc]

Kyrie would be fantastic with the Pistons. Monroe+ is something we can offer Cavs.

To be honest however, I think that Kyrie wants to be in a huge market (Lakers/Knicks etc.) and loves the limelight (just like Love). Also, I don't think Dan Gilbert would be okay with Kyrie playing for the Detroit Pistons.

[The Penguin]

We have nothing to get Kyrie. As DowJones said they are set at the 4/5 with Bennett/Embiid. You can't really beat that combination, especially with a player like Monroe. Why would anyone want a 24 year old 7 footer who has only put up 14-9 in his career when you have Bennett (who is basically Charles Barkley + Larry Johnson in one package) and Embiid (who is Hakeem + Ibaka + David Robinson)? With Kyrie/Waiters/____/Bennett/Embiid Cleveland has THE elite young team in the league, and in that blank spot there's no way Lebron wouldn't want to come back. They would win the next 12 championships no doubt. They have the best owner in the NBA, someone Lebron would love to make amends with, have a super duper smart GM who served as Grant's right hand man when he drafted amazing players like Thompson, Waiters & Bennett, and coaches like Calipari are begging for the job.

It's time we just admit it guys. There's no way we'll ever be able to beat the super team Cleveland will have. Chris Bosh and Wade will probably just come with Lebron when he moves back to Cleveland, so they'll have Kyrie/Waiters (with Wade on the bench)/Lebron/Bennett (with Bosh on the bench)/Embiid/Varejao/Thompson. I even heard Kevin Love and Kyrie were best friends and Love is telling anyone who will listen how much he wants to play there. Plus Johnny Football.

[paQo the BAWSER]

Sweet irony

[jakebernat]

We have nothing to get Kyrie. As DowJones said they are set at the 4/5 with Bennett/Embiid. You can't really beat that combination, especially with a player like Monroe. Why would anyone want a 24 year old 7 footer who has only put up 14-9 in his career when you have Bennett (who is basically Charles Barkley + Larry Johnson in one package) and Embiid (who is Hakeem + Ibaka + David Robinson)? With Kyrie/Waiters/____/Bennett/Embiid Cleveland has THE elite young team in the league, and in that blank spot there's no way Lebron wouldn't want to come back. They would win the next 12 championships no doubt. They have the best owner in the NBA, someone Lebron would love to make amends with, have a super duper smart GM who served as Grant's right hand man when he drafted amazing players like Thompson, Waiters & Bennett, and coaches like Calipari are begging for the job.

It's time we just admit it guys. There's no way we'll ever be able to beat the super team Cleveland will have. Chris Bosh and Wade will probably just come with Lebron when he moves back to Cleveland, so they'll have Kyrie/Waiters (with Wade on the bench)/Lebron/Bennett (with Bosh on the bench)/Embiid/Varejao/Thompson. I even heard Kevin Love and Kyrie were best friends and Love is telling anyone who will listen how much he wants to play there. Plus Johnny Football.

Did I miss something? When did waiters, Thompson, and Bennett become amazing players?
There's no guarantee that embiid pans out either. So, in reality, all cleveland has is kyrie, who's never led them to anything, and a high draft pick, which they seem to always use wisely.../sarcasm

[rmfc]

We have nothing to get Kyrie. As DowJones said they are set at the 4/5 with Bennett/Embiid. You can't really beat that combination, especially with a player like Monroe. Why would anyone want a 24 year old 7 footer who has only put up 14-9 in his career when you have Bennett (who is basically Charles Barkley + Larry Johnson in one package) and Embiid (who is Hakeem + Ibaka + David Robinson)? With Kyrie/Waiters/____/Bennett/Embiid Cleveland has THE elite young team in the league, and in that blank spot there's no way Lebron wouldn't want to come back. They would win the next 12 championships no doubt. They have the best owner in the NBA, someone Lebron would love to make amends with, have a super duper smart GM who served as Grant's right hand man when he drafted amazing players like Thompson, Waiters & Bennett, and coaches like Calipari are begging for the job.

It's time we just admit it guys. There's no way we'll ever be able to beat the super team Cleveland will have. Chris Bosh and Wade will probably just come with Lebron when he moves back to Cleveland, so they'll have Kyrie/Waiters (with Wade on the bench)/Lebron/Bennett (with Bosh on the bench)/Embiid/Varejao/Thompson. I even heard Kevin Love and Kyrie were best friends and Love is telling anyone who will listen how much he wants to play there. Plus Johnny Football.

It's the same story every year with these guys. Seems like the Cavs' fans are even more delusional than the management and ownership. Geez...

[The Penguin]

We have nothing to get Kyrie. As DowJones said they are set at the 4/5 with Bennett/Embiid. You can't really beat that combination, especially with a player like Monroe. Why would anyone want a 24 year old 7 footer who has only put up 14-9 in his career when you have Bennett (who is basically Charles Barkley + Larry Johnson in one package) and Embiid (who is Hakeem + Ibaka + David Robinson)? With Kyrie/Waiters/____/Bennett/Embiid Cleveland has THE elite young team in the league, and in that blank spot there's no way Lebron wouldn't want to come back. They would win the next 12 championships no doubt. They have the best owner in the NBA, someone Lebron would love to make amends with, have a super duper smart GM who served as Grant's right hand man when he drafted amazing players like Thompson, Waiters & Bennett, and coaches like Calipari are begging for the job.

It's time we just admit it guys. There's no way we'll ever be able to beat the super team Cleveland will have. Chris Bosh and Wade will probably just come with Lebron when he moves back to Cleveland, so they'll have Kyrie/Waiters (with Wade on the bench)/Lebron/Bennett (with Bosh on the bench)/Embiid/Varejao/Thompson. I even heard Kevin Love and Kyrie were best friends and Love is telling anyone who will listen how much he wants to play there. Plus Johnny Football.

It's the same story every year with these guys. Seems like the Cavs' fans are even more delusional than the management and ownership. Geez...

I really just enjoy how dismissive they are towards anything. Just look at the trade board, anyone comes up with any Cavs based idea and you've got 3-4 Cavs posters who jump on and immediately say "BS". "We wouldn't trade you Kyrie, you have nothing we'd want". I think Monroe + KCP + '16 top 3 protected pick would be a great haul for them. Monroe would look really nice next to Embiid if Embiid's shot blocking and outside shot are legit, KCP would give them a young 3&D guard they could put next to Waiters long term and have a nice young big backcourt and who knows what the pick could end up being. They could resign Deng and have a likely playoff team. Instead they are going to mess around with Kyrie, make 100% sure he doesn't want to be there, cry "woe is me" when he walks and get awarded another 2-3 #1 overall picks.

[mercury]

They can't afford to be picky... all their young players won't hit their ceiling for a few years... at that time they'll have to make some tough cap decisions on the guys they patiently waited for.

[BadMofoPimp]

Trade forum:
Pistons deal: Josh Smith, Kyle Singler, Josh Harrelson, #38 overall pick
Kings deal: Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, Travis Outlaw #8 overall pick

Done deal, but not sure Kings do it. They may be able to get more for that 8th pick.

[Q00]

Kings are talking offering that 8th pick for Love, and are willing to do so even with no assurances that he will resign.

So that tells you the standard they have for what they want in return for that pick. They want to go all in for a star, and Smith isn't putting up 26/13, so I think you can forget the Smith for 8 dreams.

Besides, what are you getting with that 8th pick anyways - Doug McDermott? Is he even better than what you would give up in Smith? He's a better shooter and would fill that need, but trading one of your only good defensive players for a rookie terrible defender would only make this defense that much worse, which is really their biggest problem, not shooting. So even if the Kings agreed to that trade, I think you only end up making a trade that just makes you worse, not better.

Of course there are other options than just McDermott at 8, but its still just the 8th pick and there aren't any more great players there now than there was when we had the pick.

I think its best to just forget the draft, pick up a 3pt specialist with 38th pick, and go all in on FA/trades to improve.

[jakebernat]

Kings are talking offering that 8th pick for Love, and are willing to do so even with no assurances that he will resign.

So that tells you the standard they have for what they want in return for that pick. They want to go all in for a star, and Smith isn't putting up 26/13, so I think you can forget the Smith for 8 dreams.

Besides, what are you getting with that 8th pick anyways - Doug McDermott? Is he even better than what you would give up in Smith? He's a better shooter and would fill that need, but trading one of your only good defensive players for a rookie terrible defender would only make this defense that much worse, which is really their biggest problem, not shooting. So even if the Kings agreed to that trade, I think you only end up making a trade that just makes you worse, not better.

Of course there are other options than just McDermott at 8, but its still just the 8th pick and there aren't any more great players there now than there was when we had the pick.

I think its best to just forget the draft, pick up a 3pt specialist with 38th pick, and go all in on FA/trades to improve.

What makes you think the wolves would even consider that deal? I'm sure they could do much better.

[Kilo]

If they're willing to offer #8, McLemore and whatever else for a one year rental of Kevin Love with the hopes of then re-signing him to what would surely be a max years, max money deal I don't think #8 plus salary fodder for Smith is much of a stretch when they strike out on Love. I mean they keep McLemore and other valuable parts, and add Smoove for three years at $14M, and given they'd be giving up contracts to make the trade work under the cap, the $14M they'd have to pay Smoove would be off-set by the contracts they'd send here - the ones they consider their worst (outside of Gay's). I mean we take back Landry and Derrick Williams and that's roughly $30M owing over the lengths of their respective contracts, so in a roundabout way the $42M owing Smoove becomes only $12M total in salary taken on over the three years.

[DowJones]

We have nothing to get Kyrie. As DowJones said they are set at the 4/5 with Bennett/Embiid. You can't really beat that combination, especially with a player like Monroe. Why would anyone want a 24 year old 7 footer who has only put up 14-9 in his career when you have Bennett (who is basically Charles Barkley + Larry Johnson in one package) and Embiid (who is Hakeem + Ibaka + David Robinson)? With Kyrie/Waiters/____/Bennett/Embiid Cleveland has THE elite young team in the league, and in that blank spot there's no way Lebron wouldn't want to come back. They would win the next 12 championships no doubt. They have the best owner in the NBA, someone Lebron would love to make amends with, have a super duper smart GM who served as Grant's right hand man when he drafted amazing players like Thompson, Waiters & Bennett, and coaches like Calipari are begging for the job.

It's time we just admit it guys. There's no way we'll ever be able to beat the super team Cleveland will have. Chris Bosh and Wade will probably just come with Lebron when he moves back to Cleveland, so they'll have Kyrie/Waiters (with Wade on the bench)/Lebron/Bennett (with Bosh on the bench)/Embiid/Varejao/Thompson. I even heard Kevin Love and Kyrie were best friends and Love is telling anyone who will listen how much he wants to play there. Plus Johnny Football.

It's the same story every year with these guys. Seems like the Cavs' fans are even more delusional than the management and ownership. Geez...

I really just enjoy how dismissive they are towards anything. Just look at the trade board, anyone comes up with any Cavs based idea and you've got 3-4 Cavs posters who jump on and immediately say "BS". "We wouldn't trade you Kyrie, you have nothing we'd want". I think Monroe + KCP + '16 top 3 protected pick would be a great haul for them. Monroe would look really nice next to Embiid if Embiid's shot blocking and outside shot are legit, KCP would give them a young 3&D guard they could put next to Waiters long term and have a nice young big backcourt and who knows what the pick could end up being. They could resign Deng and have a likely playoff team. Instead they are going to mess around with Kyrie, make 100% sure he doesn't want to be there, cry "woe is me" when he walks and get awarded another 2-3 #1 overall picks.

The problem with Monroe is that Cleveland already has Bennett/Thompson and we are taking Embiid #1. How does that make sense? I know Bennett doesn't have value to anyone else but Cleveland did take him #1 overall a year ago and he was still a legitimate Top-7 type of talent in the draft last year. Cleveland will give him a shot. And do you know what goes well with a 7-1 monster in the middle? A stretch-4 like Bennett. Embiid would allow Bennett to play the 4.

Monroe just isn't a good fit in Cleveland and trading a 21 year old 2x All-Star PG for him just isn't a good idea. It isn't about being arrogant, it is about being realistic.

[DetroitSho]

Kings are talking offering that 8th pick for Love, and are willing to do so even with no assurances that he will resign.

So that tells you the standard they have for what they want in return for that pick. They want to go all in for a star, and Smith isn't putting up 26/13, so I think you can forget the Smith for 8 dreams.

Besides, what are you getting with that 8th pick anyways - Doug McDermott? Is he even better than what you would give up in Smith? He's a better shooter and would fill that need, but trading one of your only good defensive players for a rookie terrible defender would only make this defense that much worse, which is really their biggest problem, not shooting. So even if the Kings agreed to that trade, I think you only end up making a trade that just makes you worse, not better.

Of course there are other options than just McDermott at 8, but its still just the 8th pick and there aren't any more great players there now than there was when we had the pick.

I think its best to just forget the draft, pick up a 3pt specialist with 38th pick, and go all in on FA/trades to improve.

That's funny, you assumed your whole argument around McDermott as if that is the only result of having #8. Despite what you say, #8 is a way better asset than Smith.

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[DBC10]

Kings are talking offering that 8th pick for Love, and are willing to do so even with no assurances that he will resign.

So that tells you the standard they have for what they want in return for that pick. They want to go all in for a star, and Smith isn't putting up 26/13, so I think you can forget the Smith for 8 dreams.

Besides, what are you getting with that 8th pick anyways - Doug McDermott? Is he even better than what you would give up in Smith? He's a better shooter and would fill that need, but trading one of your only good defensive players for a rookie terrible defender would only make this defense that much worse, which is really their biggest problem, not shooting. So even if the Kings agreed to that trade, I think you only end up making a trade that just makes you worse, not better.

Of course there are other options than just McDermott at 8, but its still just the 8th pick and there aren't any more great players there now than there was when we had the pick.

I think its best to just forget the draft, pick up a 3pt specialist with 38th pick, and go all in on FA/trades to improve.

That's funny, you assumed your whole argument around McDermott as if that is the only result of having #8. Despite what you say, #8 is a way better asset than Smith.

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For starters, it's less of a salary cap hell to deal with in Smith for a lowly defensive player that destroys your whole offense.

You can't win with defense alone, after all, you have to have a cohesive offense. Ala Spurs, aka Dynasty.