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[tmorgan]

I get the feeling Memphis had no real interest in trading Bane but took courtesy offers. Orlando offers four unprotected firsts (including Phoenix 26!) and a swap. Memphis goes… uhhh… done.

And Orlando still doesn’t have a facilitating-type PG. Quite odd.

[Snakebites]

I get the feeling Memphis had no real interest in trading Bane but took courtesy offers. Orlando offers four unprotected firsts (including Phoenix 26!) and a swap. Memphis goes… uhhh… done.

And Orlando still doesn’t have a facilitating-type PG. Quite odd.

It's slightly misleading to describe the pick that is already set to be at #16 in this draft as "unprotected", but yes, that is what the initial reporting described it as.

It's still an insanely steep price for a pretty good player. It absolutely is a trade that fills a need for Orlando- they were among the worst outside shooting teams in the entire league.

I don't think it's a good deal for the Magic in the long run but if they're healthy they can definitely make noise in the wild wild west that will be the east next year.

[engelbert321]

We’ll have to break the bank for JJJ lol

[Cowology]

How does the Bane trade compare to the Bridges trade? That was what, 5x 1st or something stupid like that.

[GreekAlex]

The league is in a weird place with Zero time all-stars getting max bid unprotected multiple firsts.

[VicVinegar]

That seems like an insane overpay for Bane, even when you factor in most of the firsts will be very late. Anthony is still a good player, doesn't make much money, and is still under team control. I'm assuming a large part of the cost was dumping KCP's contract.

[Snakebites]

That seems like an insane overpay for Bane, even when you factor in most of the firsts will be very late. Anthony is still a good player, doesn't make much money, and is still under team control. I'm assuming a large part of the cost was dumping KCP's contract.

The Suns pick is the main prize.

To me if you’re gonna give up that many picks you better think you’re gonna win it all. It’s not just about not selecting new young players.

They now have limited ways to get better without no tradable picks for a long time.

They’ve got a nice group. Banchero, Wagner, Bane, Suggs, WCJ, etc. Is that a title roster?

If I’m giving up all those picks I’d want a better player than Bane. That’s just me.

It is fair to point out they also dumped negative salary in this trade, which does mitigate it a little.

[MortSahlfan]

Orlando made a great trade. Wish we got Bane

[jars]

How does the Bane trade compare to the Bridges trade? That was what, 5x 1st or something stupid like that.

New York gave up:
Knicks' unprotected 1st-round pick in 2025
Knicks' unprotected 1st-round pick in 2027
Knicks' unprotected 1st-round pick in 2029
Knicks' unprotected 1st-round pick in 2031
Knicks' unprotected pick swap in 2028
Bucks' top-four protected 1st-round pick in 2025
Knicks' 2nd round pick in 2025
Shake Milton
Bogdan Bogdanovic

Orlando gave up:
This season's 16th overall selection
Phoenix's unprotected 1st-round pick in 2026
Orlando's unprotected 1st-round pick in 2028
Orlando's unprotected 1st-round pick in 2030
Orlando's lightly protected swap in 2029.
Cole Anthony
KCP

It felt like a lot for Bridges at the time, but somewhat worth it because of what he had shown both as a role player and the 'star' of a team. The Bane deal is a bit perplexing to me tbh. That is a lot to give up for a guy they hope to be their 3rd best player, but who might actually be their 4th best player and who they have to pay $163million over the next 4 years. It isn't like he is on a team friendly deal.

Long term, I actually hope Bane and his short arms end up on the Raptors one day. It feels like a perfect fit.

[Snakebites]

How does the Bane trade compare to the Bridges trade? That was what, 5x 1st or something stupid like that.

New York gave up:
Knicks' unprotected 1st-round pick in 2025
Knicks' unprotected 1st-round pick in 2027
Knicks' unprotected 1st-round pick in 2029
Knicks' unprotected 1st-round pick in 2031
Knicks' unprotected pick swap in 2028
Bucks' top-four protected 1st-round pick in 2025
Knicks' 2nd round pick in 2025
Shake Milton
Bogdan Bogdanovic

Orlando gave up:
This season's 16th overall selection
Phoenix's unprotected 1st-round pick in 2026
Orlando's unprotected 1st-round pick in 2028
Orlando's unprotected 1st-round pick in 2030
Orlando's lightly protected swap in 2029.
Cole Anthony
KCP

It felt like a lot for Bridges at the time, but somewhat worth it because of what he had shown both as a role player and the 'star' of a team. The Bane deal is a bit perplexing to me tbh. That is a lot to give up for a guy they hope to be their 3rd best player, but who might actually be their 4th best player and who they have to pay $163million over the next 4 years. It isn't like he is on a team friendly deal.

Long term, I actually hope Bane and his short arms end up on the Raptors one day. It feels like a perfect fit.

I think both of those trades were way too costly.

We can acknowledge a trade helps a team in the short term while also acknowledging that the cost was too high.

Trading away that many firsts is only worthwhile if it gets you a championship- the Jrue Holiday to Bucks trade is a solid example, as I do not believe the Bucks win a ring without him.

I do not see either the Knicks or the Magic as serious contenders after their respective trades.

[tmorgan]

One thing to note, which I didn’t know earlier, is the nature of that Phoenix selection.

Memphis already had pseudo swap rights with Washington and Phoenix, but it was for the worst of the three picks, meaning they were the ones that were getting swapped with. Unlikely, given how bad those teams are likely to be. Orlando just traded them *second* best pick rights among WAS and PHO and ORL somehow, and given what we know about the teams, assuming no lottery ball craziness, that’s very likely to be Phoenix 26 and in the late lottery range.

In the end, it’s probably Phoenix’s pick they got, but that’s not assured. We do know it won’t be the #1 overall pick, but if things fall just right, it could be #2. Best guess is around #8 unless Phoenix somehow gets it together post-Durant. If Orlando and Phoenix make the playoffs, it’s not a lottery pick.

[MortSahlfan]

Go look up lottery picks. Most of them are busts.

[NYPiston]

The trade market is ridiculously favored to the seller. Can you imagine the haul that Giannis would net? Astronomical
With that said, I do feel like NBA 1st rounders, especially ones like this in the Bane and Bridges trades, the will be mid to low 1st rounders don't hold as much value as people think. It's not the same value as a 1st in the NFL or NHL for that matter where there are more 1st round hits.

The reality is that the Pistons growth will have to come from within and eventually they'll have to trade one or two of the core guys if the team continues to be successful due to the new apron rules so I wouldn't expect much help to come externally. Perhaps the Pistons can add that final piece when they're ready to contend, Sheed-lite, but it's not coming this offseason and I'm quite frankly ok with that and would like to see what this group can do together before making drastic changes.

[SuperBad]

I read an article ounce it was like 10 years old now written by Stanford I think, but it went through and showed how vastly overrated picks are. It’s like 50% of all first round picks are in league after 5 years, and only 10% of second rd picks, that means the lottery picks are probably closer to 60-75% I guessing , but that’s just the guys that make it five years, there’s a bunch of Kevin Knox in there. I’m sorry I can’t show the article, and I’m sure I’m not stating it all correctly.
But if you figure any pick after the top 15 in the first rd has 25-40% chance to be in the league after five years, if you get 4-5 of those level picks your probably just getting two late rotation guys

[LaSheed]

Yeah I actually really like this trade for Orlando. Didn't think Bane would get dealt. I think they are a better team than us now honestly. If healthy of course.

[Cowology]

The trade market is ridiculously favored to the seller. Can you imagine the haul that Giannis would net? Astronomical
With that said, I do feel like NBA 1st rounders, especially ones like this in the Bane and Bridges trades, the will be mid to low 1st rounders don't hold as much value as people think. It's not the same value as a 1st in the NFL or NHL for that matter where there are more 1st round hits.

The reality is that the Pistons growth will have to come from within and eventually they'll have to trade one or two of the core guys if the team continues to be successful due to the new apron rules so I wouldn't expect much help to come externally. Perhaps the Pistons can add that final piece when they're ready to contend, Sheed-lite, but it's not coming this offseason and I'm quite frankly ok with that and would like to see what this group can do together before making drastic changes.

I agree mid to late 1st rounders don't hold a ton of value, but trading so many picks severely impedes your future flexibility due to restrictions around trading picks.

Trading 5+ picks feels much better if you have stockpiled other teams picks because then you can give the value without impeding future progress. The Knicks have essentially removed their ability to trade their own 1st picks until 2032. That's a long time in the sports world.

[blog_pistons]

Yeah I actually really like this trade for Orlando. Didn't think Bane would get dealt. I think they are a better team than us now honestly. If healthy of course.

In my opinion, we underestimate our boys a lot. Ivey can play better than Bane, and he's younger, that's if he's coming off a major injury. Honestly, if there aren't any suitable offers on the market, I wouldn't go crazy. Keeping the kids growing is very, very important.

Orlando made a mistake. Not only because of the price (which is crazy for a player who's very good but not among the best), but because they don't even know yet if their two best players, Wagner and Paolo, will be able to play together at a good level.

There aren't many teams that can offer money this year, I'd swear it's just us and the Nets.I really think Beasley and Dennis will return, and I think THJ will go to another team.

[LaSheed]

Yeah I actually really like this trade for Orlando. Didn't think Bane would get dealt. I think they are a better team than us now honestly. If healthy of course.

In my opinion, we underestimate our boys a lot. Ivey can play better than Bane, and he's younger, that's if he's coming off a major injury. Honestly, if there aren't any suitable offers on the market, I wouldn't go crazy. Keeping the kids growing is very, very important.

Orlando made a mistake. Not only because of the price (which is crazy for a player who's very good but not among the best), but because they don't even know yet if their two best players, Wagner and Paolo, will be able to play together at a good level.

There aren't many teams that can offer money this year, I'd swear it's just us and the Nets.I really think Beasley and Dennis will return, and I think THJ will go to another team.

My man. Bane is a baller

[Invictus88]

I read an article ounce it was like 10 years old now written by Stanford I think, but it went through and showed how vastly overrated picks are. It’s like 50% of all first round picks are in league after 5 years, and only 10% of second rd picks, that means the lottery picks are probably closer to 60-75% I guessing , but that’s just the guys that make it five years, there’s a bunch of Kevin Knox in there. I’m sorry I can’t show the article, and I’m sure I’m not stating it all correctly.
But if you figure any pick after the top 15 in the first rd has 25-40% chance to be in the league after five years, if you get 4-5 of those level picks your probably just getting two late rotation guys

Does your article go at all into the financial benefit of rookie contracts versus veteran ones? I'm guessing no. Given our current climate I am certain this is a much larger factor than it was when your article was written...

[bstein14]

If Bayne was on like a 4 year $100 million contract I'd be fine with that trade for Orlando... but Bane is going to be making $39, $42, $45 million coming up he's getting max money as a fringe all-star his trade value shouldn't be that high. He isn't going to all of the sudden become like a Jalen Brunson type.