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Post#2321 » by VicVinegar » Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:31 am

bstein14 wrote:Surprised that Boston got Simons + two 2nds for Jrue given Jrue's age and contract. Also kind of crazy since Portland as a franchise is up for sale not sure why they'd add that long term older player contract.

Simons is going to be going into his 8th season likely just entering him prime could easily be a fairly efficient 20 PPG scorer for the Celtics this year... he's a pretty solid 3rd option for them and someone I'm sure they are hoping they can get a bit more out of defensively than what we've seen from Simons up to this point.

i could actually still see Boston moving on from KP since this trade from Jrue to Simons only saved Boston $4.8 million this season.


That's highway robbery by Boston. Holiday is old and washed up. He also makes more and has a longer term on negative contract. PLUS Portland adds seconds. Portland must have absolutely hated Simmons.
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Post#2322 » by bstein14 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:16 pm

VicVinegar wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Surprised that Boston got Simons + two 2nds for Jrue given Jrue's age and contract. Also kind of crazy since Portland as a franchise is up for sale not sure why they'd add that long term older player contract.

Simons is going to be going into his 8th season likely just entering him prime could easily be a fairly efficient 20 PPG scorer for the Celtics this year... he's a pretty solid 3rd option for them and someone I'm sure they are hoping they can get a bit more out of defensively than what we've seen from Simons up to this point.

i could actually still see Boston moving on from KP since this trade from Jrue to Simons only saved Boston $4.8 million this season.


That's highway robbery by Boston. Holiday is old and washed up. He also makes more and has a longer term on negative contract. PLUS Portland adds seconds. Portland must have absolutely hated Simmons.


Yeah, if Boston would have given up a few 2nds then the trade would have at least made a little sense for Portland to get some draft capital back for taking on such a large contract and in their ability to get a good vet to mentor Scoot. I'm sure Billups will love having a vet like Jrue but overall this feels like the Blazers are trying to make a jump like we did adding the right vets to the mix and I don't think this deal is it.
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Post#2323 » by LaSheed » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:24 pm

Joe & Weaver up to more shenanigans lmao
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Post#2324 » by tmorgan » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:41 pm

LaSheed wrote:Joe & Weaver up to more shenanigans lmao


Weaver trades away Saddiq again, kinda funny.

Imagine anyone trading for Poole a year ago. He really did get it back together last year, it seems.
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Post#2325 » by Invictus88 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:43 pm

LaSheed wrote:Joe & Weaver up to more shenanigans lmao


I at least understand it from Washington's (Weaver’s) side. You clear off a year of Poole's cap space hit.

I don't understand what the Pels are doing. Is next year's draft any good? Because this feels like loading up on tank commanders especially when Zion goes down with an injury.
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Post#2326 » by LaSheed » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:58 pm

Yall Weaver works under Joe Dumars now lmao
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Post#2327 » by bstein14 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:43 pm

Yeah Weaver and Joe D combo grab Poole and Bey. I thought Poole was one of the more negative contracts in the league I guess I was wrong.
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Post#2328 » by MotownMadness » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:53 pm

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Post#2329 » by MortSahlfan » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:53 am

Once Weaver drafts a guy, he's going to make sure he gets him again. I wonder how much they'd give up for Ivey.
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Post#2330 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:44 pm

MortSahlfan wrote:Once Weaver drafts a guy, he's going to make sure he gets him again. I wonder how much they'd give up for Ivey.

He just got rid of Saddiq before he played a single game for them.
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Post#2331 » by flow » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:51 pm

Snakebites wrote:
MortSahlfan wrote:Once Weaver drafts a guy, he's going to make sure he gets him again. I wonder how much they'd give up for Ivey.

He just got rid of Saddiq before he played a single game for them.


Who did?
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Post#2332 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:52 pm

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Snakebites wrote:
MortSahlfan wrote:Once Weaver drafts a guy, he's going to make sure he gets him again. I wonder how much they'd give up for Ivey.

He just got rid of Saddiq before he played a single game for them.


Who did?

Wait shoot.

I forgot Weaver is with the Pelicans now, not the Wizards anymore.

Brain freeze.
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Post#2333 » by MortSahlfan » Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:21 pm

Just in: The Utah Jazz are trading Collin Sexton and a 2030 second-round pick to the Charlotte Hornets for Jusuf Nurkic, sources tell ESPN.
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Post#2334 » by Snakebites » Mon Jun 30, 2025 12:16 am

That Jabari extension (5/122) is cold water on hopes of retraining Ivey and Duren without breaking the bank.
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Post#2335 » by tmorgan » Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:35 am

Snakebites wrote:That Jabari extension (5/122) is cold water on hopes of retraining Ivey and Duren without breaking the bank.


Seems like market value to me.

As a #3 overall pick that was likely floated as a smokescreen by Orlando for #1 overall, JSJ has disappointed. He’s also lost touches every year as Houston keeps bringing in guys (FVV, Brooks, now Durant) and drafting other interesting youngsters, most recently Eason and Amen.

But unlike Duren and Ivey, he’s actually a good defender. So you’re getting average efficiency, low-ish volume offense and good defense for an AAV of under 25 mil a year. They’re obviously hoping his shot continues to improve and his defense gets even better.

Ivey shouldn’t get that figure based on one 30 game sample of hot outside shooting and a few game-winners. If his agent asks for that exact contract, I tell him we need to see it on the court this year and we’ll talk in restricted free agency. If he’ll take an AAV of 20 right now for security, I’d consider the early extension, but even then waiting wouldn’t bother me.

Duren is tougher. We all know his struggles as a defender, but also saw some improvement after Ivey went down. He wasn’t that bad in the playoffs vs. New York, either, but it’s true Tobias did a much better job on KAT than Duren could. He’s also a player with major strengths that work with Cade, he’s an elite rebounder, has good touch for a big, that kinda stuff. Again, I wouldn’t offer him the Jabari deal, and I’d explicitly tell him he needs to improve as a defender as the reason. Very similar to Ivey, I’d consider the extension at 20 AAV and wait otherwise.

In the end, with Ausar and Holland coming down the line, I’d be inclined to move one of the two before the 26-27 season for an established player at a lesser number. Because Ivey is more easily replaced (unless he truly is a 40% from three guy, which we’ll get to see this year), he’d be my choice to move, but… if Duren can’t get better on D, it’s a bigger problem. Kinda torn, really. Could move both, I suppose.
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Post#2336 » by bstein14 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:14 am

tmorgan wrote:
Snakebites wrote:That Jabari extension (5/122) is cold water on hopes of retraining Ivey and Duren without breaking the bank.


Seems like market value to me.

As a #3 overall pick that was likely floated as a smokescreen by Orlando for #1 overall, JSJ has disappointed. He’s also lost touches every year as Houston keeps bringing in guys (FVV, Brooks, now Durant) and drafting other interesting youngsters, most recently Eason and Amen.

But unlike Duren and Ivey, he’s actually a good defender. So you’re getting average efficiency, low-ish volume offense and good defense for an AAV of under 25 mil a year. They’re obviously hoping his shot continues to improve and his defense gets even better.

Ivey shouldn’t get that figure based on one 30 game sample of hot outside shooting and a few game-winners. If his agent asks for that exact contract, I tell him we need to see it on the court this year and we’ll talk in restricted free agency. If he’ll take an AAV of 20 right now for security, I’d consider the early extension, but even then waiting wouldn’t bother me.

Duren is tougher. We all know his struggles as a defender, but also saw some improvement after Ivey went down. He wasn’t that bad in the playoffs vs. New York, either, but it’s true Tobias did a much better job on KAT than Duren could. He’s also a player with major strengths that work with Cade, he’s an elite rebounder, has good touch for a big, that kinda stuff. Again, I wouldn’t offer him the Jabari deal, and I’d explicitly tell him he needs to improve as a defender as the reason. Very similar to Ivey, I’d consider the extension at 20 AAV and wait otherwise.

In the end, with Ausar and Holland coming down the line, I’d be inclined to move one of the two before the 26-27 season for an established player at a lesser number. Because Ivey is more easily replaced (unless he truly is a 40% from three guy, which we’ll get to see this year), he’d be my choice to move, but… if Duren can’t get better on D, it’s a bigger problem. Kinda torn, really. Could move both, I suppose.


He for sure is getting part of that contract based on the hope that he'll get better. Also, Houston minimizes the risk that they win it all or make a deep playoff run in which Jabari plays a key role and plays himself into a $30+ million per year deal next summer.

I think its a fairly decent deal for both sides. I wouldn't give Duren that much but I'd be ok with 5 years $100 million with maybe a little more of incentive based that could push it to $110.

$20 million per year for a guy to be an average starting center is a good deal. Duren just isn't an average starting center yet but I think he gets there in time he's still very young for a guy going into his 4th season.
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Post#2337 » by ducler » Mon Jun 30, 2025 5:21 am

Ayton to Lakers soon...
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Post#2338 » by MotownMadness » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:19 am

Starting to feel like Atlanta has passed us. They bring in Porzingis, NAW and Asa Newell.

We lose a basically 6moy for nothing and potentially bring in scraps.
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Post#2339 » by bstein14 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 12:54 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Starting to feel like Atlanta has passed us. They bring in Porzingis, NAW and Asa Newell.

We lose a basically 6moy for nothing and potentially bring in scraps.


I can understand having that feeling, but a lot of how we do this year is out our young 5 or 6 guys take a step forward. If Ausar/Holland can shoot decently this year we're a top 4 team in the East. What do Ivey + Duren bring in contract years? Can Stew take another step forward and become an all-defensive player?

Having continuity is also a big thing sometimes it takes 20-30 games for new teams to feel things out.
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Post#2340 » by bstein14 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 6:56 pm

Jordan Clarkston bought out by the Jazz.... feels like both Ayton and Clarkston (Rich Paul clients) are going to head to the Lakers to play with LeBron.

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