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Post #2341 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 10:14 pm

bstein14 wrote:Jordan Clarkston bought out by the Jazz.... feels like both Ayton and Clarkston (Rich Paul clients) are going to head to the Lakers to play with LeBron.

The Lakers need more bodies in general, but I really don't like either of those players.

Clarkson has been linked to the Knicks. Ayton hasn't been linked anywhere, but him going to LA just makes too much sense.

thesack12 · Post #2342 » by **thesack12** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 10:21 pm

Man, I remember many people on this board were 100% adamant that Detroit should offer Ayton a full max contract.

That guy is so blah. He fit well teaming up with another extremely hollow stat, non needle moving guy in Jerami Grant.

VicVinegar · Post #2343 » by **VicVinegar** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:04 am

MPJ + 1st for Cam Johnson. Gotta think a package around Tobias and a 1st for Johnson would have got it done. Damn.

Post #2344 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:22 am

VicVinegar wrote:MPJ + 1st for Cam Johnson. Gotta think a package around Tobias and a 1st for Johnson would have got it done. Damn.

A little spooky giving up unprotected firsts that far out- and that might have even been part of the appeal for the Nets- that could be a post Jokic first rounder.

But yeah, Cam would have been a great fit.

Nuggets got Bruce Brown back and upgraded to Cam Johnson. Quietly doing a nice job retooling.

VicVinegar · Post #2345 » by **VicVinegar** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:54 am

Snakebites wrote:
VicVinegar wrote:MPJ + 1st for Cam Johnson. Gotta think a package around Tobias and a 1st for Johnson would have got it done. Damn.

A little spooky giving up unprotected firsts that far out- and that might have even been part of the appeal for the Nets- that could be a post Jokic first rounder.

But yeah, Cam would have been a great fit.

Nuggets got Bruce Brown back and upgraded to Cam Johnson. Quietly doing a nice job retooling.

It's always spooky. But Nuggets are a competent organization. They haven't drafted in the top six since Carmelo. Even when the nuggets core is old/gone, they'll still likely have a decent product on the floor. Nets also take the risk it's a bottom 5 pick that far out. Feel like the Pistons pick would have been just as valuable - even if say 4 years in the future instead of 7.

tmorgan · Post #2346 » by **tmorgan** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:11 am

You can’t really replace Tobias with Cam, tho. Cam can’t handle himself inside on defense like Tobias, which we need with Duren as our starter. Cam also misses a lot more games than Harris.

He’d be nice to have, but with how thin we are up front, it’d be very risky. Also, since I bring this up every time Cam Johnson gets mentioned, he is NOT young. Came into the league old and is already 29, a little more than two years older than MPJ.

VicVinegar · Post #2347 » by **VicVinegar** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:24 am

tmorgan wrote:You can’t really replace Tobias with Cam, tho. Cam can’t handle himself inside on defense like Tobias, which we need with Duren as our starter. Cam also misses a lot more games than Harris.

He’d be nice to have, but with how thin we are up front, it’d be very risky. Also, since I bring this up every time Cam Johnson gets mentioned, he is NOT young. Came into the league old and is already 29, a little more than two years older than MPJ.

But with Ausar as our starter you also need a shooter, so really it's pick your poison when it comes to what negative you have at the forward position. Cam Johnson isn't young, but is still 3 years younger than Tobias. Idk, I'm not going to lose sleep over missing out, was just surprised how cheap Johnson was (a negative contract and a 1st). Honestly there's a world where Fontecchio and a 1st gets it done, if you like Tobias. Would've cost the money they spent on Levert, but I think that's worth it.

tmorgan · Post #2348 » by **tmorgan** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:00 am

VicVinegar wrote:
tmorgan wrote:You can’t really replace Tobias with Cam, tho. Cam can’t handle himself inside on defense like Tobias, which we need with Duren as our starter. Cam also misses a lot more games than Harris.

He’d be nice to have, but with how thin we are up front, it’d be very risky. Also, since I bring this up every time Cam Johnson gets mentioned, he is NOT young. Came into the league old and is already 29, a little more than two years older than MPJ.

But with Ausar as our starter you also need a shooter, so really it's pick your poison when it comes to what negative you have at the forward position. Cam Johnson isn't young, but is still 3 years younger than Tobias. Idk, I'm not going to lose sleep over missing out, was just surprised how cheap Johnson was (a negative contract and a 1st). Honestly there's a world where Fontecchio and a 1st gets it done, if you like Tobias. Would've cost the money they spent on Levert, but I think that's worth it.

The unprotected pick is the primary value tho. In 2032, Jokic will be 37 and likely racing horses in retirement. Cade will be 30.

VicVinegar · Post #2349 » by **VicVinegar** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:17 am

tmorgan wrote:
VicVinegar wrote:
tmorgan wrote:You can’t really replace Tobias with Cam, tho. Cam can’t handle himself inside on defense like Tobias, which we need with Duren as our starter. Cam also misses a lot more games than Harris.

He’d be nice to have, but with how thin we are up front, it’d be very risky. Also, since I bring this up every time Cam Johnson gets mentioned, he is NOT young. Came into the league old and is already 29, a little more than two years older than MPJ.

But with Ausar as our starter you also need a shooter, so really it's pick your poison when it comes to what negative you have at the forward position. Cam Johnson isn't young, but is still 3 years younger than Tobias. Idk, I'm not going to lose sleep over missing out, was just surprised how cheap Johnson was (a negative contract and a 1st). Honestly there's a world where Fontecchio and a 1st gets it done, if you like Tobias. Would've cost the money they spent on Levert, but I think that's worth it.

The unprotected pick is the primary value tho. In 2032, Jokic will be 37 and likely racing horses in retirement. Cade will be 30.

For sure, but let's not act like it's a gold mine, it's a lottery ticket. Jokic could be gone in 2 years, which gives them 5 years to move on and replace him. Hell, Cade could be gone in 5 years. Pistons have zero players on their roster from 7 years ago. Nuggets have 1 (Jamal Murray). As far as I'm concerned, the large majority of team's 2032 first rounds picks hold the same value today in 2025 because predicting 7 years in the future is a crapshoot. And if I'm the Pistons, I absolutely make that deal. And honestly, if you think you're going to suck in 7 years, you might as well try your best to win before then. No one is going to value our first in the next 1-2 years at anything, nor will they if they are lottery protected.

MotownMadness · Post #2350 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:17 pm

Bucks getting Turner is wild

Post #2351 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:25 pm

The Pacers never offered Turner more than 20 mill per year.

Que the folks thinking we could have landed him by clearing Fontecchio off our cap.

Kilo · Post #2352 » by **Kilo** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:32 pm

Waived Dame to get the capspace

MotownMadness · Post #2353 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:35 pm

Kilo wrote:Waived Dame to get the capspace

Bucks really have nothing left if this doesn’t work

Post #2354 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:46 pm

Oh wow.

Apparently Giannis isn't happy that they waived Dame.

I'm kind of stunned that they'd make a major decision like that (and one clearly designed to win with him, not rebuild) without consulting him.

TPA · Post #2355 » by **TPA** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:46 pm

Waiving and stretching 113m/5 years is WILD!!

Post #2356 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:01 pm

TPA wrote::o Waiving and stretching 113m/5 years is WILD!!

I get it.

But the fact that I get it underscores how much of an uphill battle the Bucks had/have building with Giannis post- Dame injury.

TPA · Post #2357 » by **TPA** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:07 pm

Snakebites wrote:
TPA wrote::o Waiving and stretching 113m/5 years is WILD!!

I get it.

But the fact that I get it underscores how much of an uphill battle the Bucks had/have building with Giannis post- Dame injury.

You'd have to think that these actions were discussed with Giannis prior to execution, no?

bstein14 · Post #2358 » by **bstein14** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:36 pm

Snakebites wrote:
TPA wrote::o Waiving and stretching 113m/5 years is WILD!!

I get it.

But the fact that I get it underscores how much of an uphill battle the Bucks had/have building with Giannis post- Dame injury.

Somewhere you know Troy Weaver, the Waive & Stretch GOAT, had a big smile on his face seeing the news today.

TPA · Post #2359 » by **TPA** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 11:06 pm

If true, this is brutal reporting about Troy Weaver's tenure with the Pistons and an indictment of Dumars ability as a GM. Man, the Pistons Franchise and it's fans have had it bad.

Read on Twitter

thesack12 · Post #2360 » by **thesack12** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 11:38 pm

TPA wrote:If true, this is brutal reporting about Troy Weaver's tenure with the Pistons and an indictment of Dumars ability as a GM. Man, the Pistons Franchise and it's fans have had it bad.

Read on Twitter

I mean, I'm not surprised those conversations were being had around the league. Some of us pretty much insinuated that very thing.

As I mentioned at the time, I've never really seen a team send away draft picks when they were the team that was eating salary in a dump trade. Yet Weaver, did that very thing more than once.

Teams routinely took Troy out back to the woodshed. They dumped so much trash on Detroit, and the cost to do so was almost always minimal. Dewayne Dedmon, Trevor Ariza, Deandre Jordan, Kemba Walker, Joe Harris, Nerlens Noel, Alec Burks, Monte Morris, were all dumped on Detroit on Weaver's watch yet Detroit's +/- ratio of 1st round picks operated in the red for basically his entire tenure.

Weaver was completely in over his head, and the warning signs came almost immediately with all the ridiculous trade n waives.