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A_dub06 wrote:
The multiple variables definitely make it difficult to predict who would be willing to make a ballsy play and how wouldn’t. I’m still hoping Sharpe falls and we somehow manage to swing a trade to select him as well as one of Chet or Smith lol
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Canadafan wrote:?s=20&t=Iscnwx1c1ctgjyWpvDBR9Q
Tank for 2023! Lol wowwww this guy 7'3"
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Tank for 2023! Lol wowwww this guy 7'3"
buzzkilloton wrote:Canadafan wrote:[/tweet]?s=20&t=Iscnwx1c1ctgjyWpvDBR9Q
Tank for 2023! Lol wowwww this guy 7'3"
We wont be straight tanking but its for sure possible as a young team we end up not as good as fans expect and are like 5-8th worst record again. Maybe we end up with a 10% chance at Viktor in that case.
In the perfect world we hit this lotto pick and sneak in one more big time guy. That could give us a homegrown big 3 similar to Weaver drafting Durant/Westbrook/Harden over in small market okc to build a contender.
Manocad wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:Canadafan wrote:[/tweet]?s=20&t=Iscnwx1c1ctgjyWpvDBR9Q
Tank for 2023! Lol wowwww this guy 7'3"
We wont be straight tanking but its for sure possible as a young team we end up not as good as fans expect and are like 5-8th worst record again. Maybe we end up with a 10% chance at Viktor in that case.
In the perfect world we hit this lotto pick and sneak in one more big time guy. That could give us a homegrown big 3 similar to Weaver drafting Durant/Westbrook/Harden over in small market okc to build a contender.
And it’s possible the draft pick explodes as a superstar, Cade becomes a superstar, Bey becomes a superstar, and the team wins 60 games.
buzzkilloton wrote:Manocad wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:
We wont be straight tanking but its for sure possible as a young team we end up not as good as fans expect and are like 5-8th worst record again. Maybe we end up with a 10% chance at Viktor in that case.
In the perfect world we hit this lotto pick and sneak in one more big time guy. That could give us a homegrown big 3 similar to Weaver drafting Durant/Westbrook/Harden over in small market okc to build a contender.
And it’s possible the draft pick explodes as a superstar, Cade becomes a superstar, Bey becomes a superstar, and the team wins 60 games.
Pass what you're smoking this way. The pistons will likely have a vegas win total over/under of 30 games. You saying us winning 60 is about as crazy as us winning 0.
Manocad wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:Manocad wrote:And it’s possible the draft pick explodes as a superstar, Cade becomes a superstar, Bey becomes a superstar, and the team wins 60 games.
Pass what you're smoking this way. The pistons will likely have a vegas win total over/under of 30 games. You saying us winning 60 is about as crazy as us winning 0.
With all due respect, you have no clue right now what the Vegas over/under on wins will be when the season opens. They won 23 games last year with injuries to Cade and Grant and late season tanking; without those factors this team likely would have won 30 games last year. Now they’ll add the draft pick and there’s still the possibility of a Grant trade and/or free agent signing.
The point remains; they won’t be tanking thus the odds of getting a guy projected to be a top 3 pick are pretty damn remote, and certainly not something they can plan for in any way.
zeebneeb wrote:One thing I'm pretty confident in, is that barring multiple disasters happening(Cade injured again, draft pick turns out to be Anthony Bennett bad, Grant is resigned and sucks/injured, absolutely no trades are made, no free agents are signed)the Pistons are without question, not going to be in realistic running for a top 3 pick again in 2023.
It would have to be a combination of disasters, and tanking so blatant, it would make the Sixers blush.
If this team is not at least competing for a play-in spot next year, something has gone horribly wrong.
Best to focus on this years draft, as next years top picks are a pipe dream.
bstein14 wrote:Victor Wembanyama has a similar frame/build as Chet (although he's 25 pounds heavier he's still really skinny for his size) and is lightyears ahead of Chet when it comes to skillset and mobility.
He'd for sure be the #1 pick this year if he was in the draft.
Absolutely aware of what you've stated, but I am also keenly aware of how many games the Pistons lost by 5 point or less(13), how good the team was after the all-star break(10-14 extrapolated out to 33 wins),and how many really good teams they beat as well.(not to mention several games that were blatantly tanked at the end, so that 10-14, could easily be 12-12)buzzkilloton wrote:zeebneeb wrote:One thing I'm pretty confident in, is that barring multiple disasters happening(Cade injured again, draft pick turns out to be Anthony Bennett bad, Grant is resigned and sucks/injured, absolutely no trades are made, no free agents are signed)the Pistons are without question, not going to be in realistic running for a top 3 pick again in 2023.
It would have to be a combination of disasters, and tanking so blatant, it would make the Sixers blush.
If this team is not at least competing for a play-in spot next year, something has gone horribly wrong.
Best to focus on this years draft, as next years top picks are a pipe dream.
You do realize the playin teams in the East were the Hawks,Nets,Hornets,and Cavs right? 43 wins was the worst of them and these teams are also expected to all be better. Nets,Hornets, and Hawks also had bad luck or Simmons/Kyrie drama.
This is the thing we might be better next year. Other teams will also be better. The East is actually strong right now its not going to be easy to get out the lotto. Were still a good year away from being where we need to be.
zeebneeb wrote:Absolutely aware of what you've stated, but I am also keenly aware of how many games the Pistons lost by 5 point or less(13), how good the team was after the all-star break(10-14 extrapolated out to 33 wins),and how many really good teams they beat as well.(not to mention several games that were blatantly tanked at the end, so that 10-14, could easily be 12-12)buzzkilloton wrote:zeebneeb wrote:One thing I'm pretty confident in, is that barring multiple disasters happening(Cade injured again, draft pick turns out to be Anthony Bennett bad, Grant is resigned and sucks/injured, absolutely no trades are made, no free agents are signed)the Pistons are without question, not going to be in realistic running for a top 3 pick again in 2023.
It would have to be a combination of disasters, and tanking so blatant, it would make the Sixers blush.
If this team is not at least competing for a play-in spot next year, something has gone horribly wrong.
Best to focus on this years draft, as next years top picks are a pipe dream.
You do realize the playin teams in the East were the Hawks,Nets,Hornets,and Cavs right? 43 wins was the worst of them and these teams are also expected to all be better. Nets,Hornets, and Hawks also had bad luck or Simmons/Kyrie drama.
This is the thing we might be better next year. Other teams will also be better. The East is actually strong right now its not going to be easy to get out the lotto. Were still a good year away from being where we need to be.
I am willing to drop a cool 1K on the Pistons being over 30 wins next year. As stated previously, barring multiple disasters, this team is going to be in the mix for a play-in spot.
buzzkilloton wrote:Manocad wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:
Pass what you're smoking this way. The pistons will likely have a vegas win total over/under of 30 games. You saying us winning 60 is about as crazy as us winning 0.
With all due respect, you have no clue right now what the Vegas over/under on wins will be when the season opens. They won 23 games last year with injuries to Cade and Grant and late season tanking; without those factors this team likely would have won 30 games last year. Now they’ll add the draft pick and there’s still the possibility of a Grant trade and/or free agent signing.
The point remains; they won’t be tanking thus the odds of getting a guy projected to be a top 3 pick are pretty damn remote, and certainly not something they can plan for in any way.
I'll make a thread when the win totals come out AGAIN this year. Everyone will do the same as last season and say vegas is wrong etc. Watch 30-33 over under which depends on who we sign. I dont even see whats wrong with 30 wins thats about 30% more then last season. Fans will say we should of been better due to injuries but i can assure you most teams have injuries.
Young teams have tons of ups and down. This roster still is lacking star power after Cade. People expecting 500 ball next season will very likely be let down.
Manocad wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:Manocad wrote:And it’s possible the draft pick explodes as a superstar, Cade becomes a superstar, Bey becomes a superstar, and the team wins 60 games.
Pass what you're smoking this way. The pistons will likely have a vegas win total over/under of 30 games. You saying us winning 60 is about as crazy as us winning 0.
With all due respect, you have no clue right now what the Vegas over/under on wins will be when the season opens. They won 23 games last year with injuries to Cade and Grant and late season tanking; without those factors this team likely would have won 30 games last year. Now they’ll add the draft pick and there’s still the possibility of a Grant trade and/or free agent signing.
The point remains; they won’t be tanking thus the odds of getting a guy projected to be a top 3 pick are pretty damn remote, and certainly not something they can plan for in any way.
Jsindto wrote:Manocad wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:
Pass what you're smoking this way. The pistons will likely have a vegas win total over/under of 30 games. You saying us winning 60 is about as crazy as us winning 0.
With all due respect, you have no clue right now what the Vegas over/under on wins will be when the season opens. They won 23 games last year with injuries to Cade and Grant and late season tanking; without those factors this team likely would have won 30 games last year. Now they’ll add the draft pick and there’s still the possibility of a Grant trade and/or free agent signing.
The point remains; they won’t be tanking thus the odds of getting a guy projected to be a top 3 pick are pretty damn remote, and certainly not something they can plan for in any way.
I completely agree that they won't be tanking. And I wouldn't call it something they're planning for. But I do think there's a reasonable path to them not being as good as we all hope, and it wouldn't be all that bad if it happens for one final year before hopefully never being low in the standings for the next 10+ years. I should add that I actually am mostly inclined to be in agreement with you that my best guess based on general improvement of Cade and some other moves around them, that they'll win ~35+ games. But I absolutely see a world where that doesn't happen this upcoming season. Let's say this is the off-season:
1. they end up with Chet in this draft. And while he has a very high ceiling, he needs one year in the NBA, specifically in an NBA weight training regimen, before being a strong contributor. So not the impact of say a Paolo his rookie year.
2. they trade Grant, a proven NBA starter in his prime, for the #10 pick in the draft. And while that unnamed player is hopefully better for the future in terms of skill/fit/age, it's still a rookie not as good as Grant next season.
3. They go after big fish, but can't land any in FA and get a couple small deals while waiting one more off-season to go big game hunting again, and/or keeping flexibility for trades.
All 3 of those don't harm the future, and actually are good things (maybe with exception to #3). But they can result in a small improvement, and not great improvement from this past season.
Now I have ZERO expectations of having the 3rd worst record. But if they have the 7th worst, would I be shocked? Not if the above happens. And then you're in line for what should be one final highish draft pick before hopefully never picking high again for the next decade. And with the 7th best odds, you're at least in the game for #1 pick odds. You'd have about 7.5% at #1. So not likely, but not 0.5% type odds.
Manocad wrote:Jsindto wrote:Manocad wrote:With all due respect, you have no clue right now what the Vegas over/under on wins will be when the season opens. They won 23 games last year with injuries to Cade and Grant and late season tanking; without those factors this team likely would have won 30 games last year. Now they’ll add the draft pick and there’s still the possibility of a Grant trade and/or free agent signing.
The point remains; they won’t be tanking thus the odds of getting a guy projected to be a top 3 pick are pretty damn remote, and certainly not something they can plan for in any way.
I completely agree that they won't be tanking. And I wouldn't call it something they're planning for. But I do think there's a reasonable path to them not being as good as we all hope, and it wouldn't be all that bad if it happens for one final year before hopefully never being low in the standings for the next 10+ years. I should add that I actually am mostly inclined to be in agreement with you that my best guess based on general improvement of Cade and some other moves around them, that they'll win ~35+ games. But I absolutely see a world where that doesn't happen this upcoming season. Let's say this is the off-season:
1. they end up with Chet in this draft. And while he has a very high ceiling, he needs one year in the NBA, specifically in an NBA weight training regimen, before being a strong contributor. So not the impact of say a Paolo his rookie year.
2. they trade Grant, a proven NBA starter in his prime, for the #10 pick in the draft. And while that unnamed player is hopefully better for the future in terms of skill/fit/age, it's still a rookie not as good as Grant next season.
3. They go after big fish, but can't land any in FA and get a couple small deals while waiting one more off-season to go big game hunting again, and/or keeping flexibility for trades.
All 3 of those don't harm the future, and actually are good things (maybe with exception to #3). But they can result in a small improvement, and not great improvement from this past season.
Now I have ZERO expectations of having the 3rd worst record. But if they have the 7th worst, would I be shocked? Not if the above happens. And then you're in line for what should be one final highish draft pick before hopefully never picking high again for the next decade. And with the 7th best odds, you're at least in the game for #1 pick odds. You'd have about 7.5% at #1. So not likely, but not 0.5% type odds.
And that all is totally reasonable. But I keep trying to reign this back to “Tank for this guy.” That’s NOT going to happen and no one should expect it to be a realistic option.