Tobias Harris To Pursue Near Max Deal With Pistons, Celtics Among Leading Suitors

[The Penguin]

Harris just seems like a younger Josh Smith to me w/out the defense.

Not sure why people have been griping about Carroll/Green's ages. They aren't just going to lose their ability to shoot.. and then I see some worrying about either blocking Johnson? Is there a reason they couldn't come off the bench once Johnson is ready? Both are crystal clear fits & will come cheaper.

A 3&D vet with high level of playoff experience is exactly what we need.

It seems some view Carroll as a scrub who had one good contract year and Danny Green simply as a product of the Spurs system.

[313 Professor]

Harris just seems like a younger Josh Smith to me w/out the defense.

Not sure why people have been griping about Carroll/Green's ages. They aren't just going to lose their ability to shoot.. and then I see some worrying about either blocking Johnson? Is there a reason they couldn't come off the bench once Johnson is ready? Both are crystal clear fits & will come cheaper.

A 3&D vet with high level of playoff experience is exactly what we need.

It seems some view Carroll as a scrub who had one good contract year and Danny Green simply as a product of the Spurs system.

Pretty much. Danny Green is 120% KCP with consistent open shots playing with great players. Carroll is the same thing playing with good not great players and a little taller

[zeebneeb]

Harris just seems like a younger Josh Smith to me w/out the defense.

Not sure why people have been griping about Carroll/Green's ages. They aren't just going to lose their ability to shoot.. and then I see some worrying about either blocking Johnson? Is there a reason they couldn't come off the bench once Johnson is ready? Both are crystal clear fits & will come cheaper.

A 3&D vet with high level of playoff experience is exactly what we need.

I hate that term 3&D. I want players, who can do everything.

If you think Harris, and Smith are even close to being the same player, your hopeless on the two. They couldnt be more different. I was going to break it all down, with fancy stats, and clips, but it's like saying reggie jackson, and Billups are the same. No point, as it's obvious.

[sfballa13]

If we get Danny Green then we better trade KCP for an actual starting SF, not a SG trying to play SF for the first time in his career

And yes Danny Green is nothing but a product of the Spurs system much like Draymond Green is a product of the Warriors system, he wouldn't be half as effective on another team

[tooler]

Zach Lowe:

Don’t be shy, Magic and Bucks. Use the $15 million in cap room you have while Middleton and Tobias Harris, respectively, hang in free agency, and then spend heavy to bring those young dudes back.

I suspect this is what will happen. On his podcast he says Tobias is the "most gettable RFA" so there's always a chance, but if I were you guys, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[The Penguin]

Zach Lowe:

Don’t be shy, Magic and Bucks. Use the $15 million in cap room you have while Middleton and Tobias Harris, respectively, hang in free agency, and then spend heavy to bring those young dudes back.

I suspect this is what will happen. On his podcast he says Tobias is the "most gettable RFA" so there's always a chance, but if I were you guys, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Thanks?

[DBC10]

If we get Danny Green then we better trade KCP for an actual starting SF, not a SG trying to play SF for the first time in his career

And yes Danny Green is nothing but a product of the Spurs system much like Draymond Green is a product of the Warriors system, he wouldn't be half as effective on another team

For example, a Spurs fan dies seeing Danny Green attempt to dribble the ball. He's strictly spot up 3&D anything more then that and we have a disaster. Good thing we have RJ who's a willing passer.

But I'm not sold on Green. I'm still too hyped about Tobias.

[sfballa13]

At this point we should make a huge offer to Carroll right at midnight and right when he declines it, make a max offer to Harris and just forget about Green

Worse case scenario we completely strike out and then trade for Joe Johnson who is just as good as Carroll and Tobias and will let us get another stab at free agency next summer

[dVs33]

if it's down to carroll or Green, I'd pick Carroll.
I have a feeling SVG is going to overspend and I'm not going to like it.

[Piston Pete]

if it's down to carroll or Green, I'd pick Carroll.
I have a feeling SVG is going to overspend and I'm not going to like it.

Agreed. Carroll is decent, but not gonna be worth whatever contract he signs this offseason.

[The Penguin]

if it's down to carroll or Green, I'd pick Carroll.
I have a feeling SVG is going to overspend and I'm not going to like it.

IB4 we give Omri Casspi $8 mil.

[BigFatBob]

I'm hearing this guy is leaning towards Boston. Man, it's going to be embarrassing if we end up with weak ass Illyasova as our starting 4.

Make something positive happen at midnight SVG!

It makes sense that Harris is interested in the Celtics. Maybe a sign and trade for Sullinger would make it happen

[theBigLip]

From today's Big Board on Harris:

Harris is a mixed bag; on the one hand, he's an adept scorer, particularly with smaller defenders on him, and has improved his 3-point percentage to respectable levels (although most of his damage came from the corners). But he's also a ball-stopper on the offensive end, not a creator for others and an atrocious defender. Invariably, someone will pay him for his offensive promise, but I can't justify overpaying for a poor man's Carmelo Anthony

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[dVs33]

if it's down to carroll or Green, I'd pick Carroll.
I have a feeling SVG is going to overspend and I'm not going to like it.

IB4 we give Omri Casspi $8 mil.

you laugh now...

[Snakebites]

I'm hearing this guy is leaning towards Boston. Man, it's going to be embarrassing if we end up with weak ass Illyasova as our starting 4.

Make something positive happen at midnight SVG!

It makes sense that Harris is interested in the Celtics. Maybe a sign and trade for Sullinger would make it happen

It makes some sense, but where did you see/hear this?

Trading for Ily was a good move. I hope SVG is still active on the trade wire. It may ultimately be the best way to add talent to this team. Striking out on free agency is undeniably possible.

[The_Irony]

Harris just seems like a younger Josh Smith to me w/out the defense.

Not sure why people have been griping about Carroll/Green's ages. They aren't just going to lose their ability to shoot.. and then I see some worrying about either blocking Johnson? Is there a reason they couldn't come off the bench once Johnson is ready? Both are crystal clear fits & will come cheaper.

A 3&D vet with high level of playoff experience is exactly what we need.

It seems some view Carroll as a scrub who had one good contract year and Danny Green simply as a product of the Spurs system.

Sounds justifiable to me

[mattao313]

From today's Big Board on Harris:

Harris is a mixed bag; on the one hand, he's an adept scorer, particularly with smaller defenders on him, and has improved his 3-point percentage to respectable levels (although most of his damage came from the corners). But he's also a ball-stopper on the offensive end, not a creator for others and an atrocious defender. Invariably, someone will pay him for his offensive promise, but I can't justify overpaying for a poor man's Carmelo Anthony

.

how can a guy be a ball stopper if 63% of his shots are assisted?

[theBigLip]

From today's Big Board on Harris:

Harris is a mixed bag; on the one hand, he's an adept scorer, particularly with smaller defenders on him, and has improved his 3-point percentage to respectable levels (although most of his damage came from the corners). But he's also a ball-stopper on the offensive end, not a creator for others and an atrocious defender. Invariably, someone will pay him for his offensive promise, but I can't justify overpaying for a poor man's Carmelo Anthony

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how can a guy be a ball stopper if 63% of his shots are assisted?

He could dribble the ball to death, then pass it back with a bunch of the shot clock used up. No shot, no assist, but a burden on your offense.

[jakebernat]

I have a feeling SVG is going to overspend and I'm not going to like it.

i don't understand this line of thinking. unless they're bringing in lebron, EVERY GM signing free agents is going to overspend this offseason. we're especially going to have to spend a little extra because of the "detroit tax" to get players to sign here.

what do you guys who follow this line thinking think we should do? stand pat until next offseason, possibly forgoing a desperately needed postseason run for drummond, jackson, KCP, etc.? sign a cheap wing, hoping he can outplay his contract? trade what little assets we have for a middling wing?

ugh, i just don't get it. the time is now, people. we NEED to go out and get a difference-maker. for drummond's faith in the franchise, for the growth and development of KCP and SJ, for my own personal sanity, we need to play some winning basketball. for ****'s sake, how can you piss and moan over a slight overpay when the cap's about to skyrocket??

unless i'm missing something, i think coming out of this FA with anything less than a starter would be a major disappointment.

/rant

[Todd3]

Harris just seems like a younger Josh Smith to me w/out the defense.

Not sure why people have been griping about Carroll/Green's ages. They aren't just going to lose their ability to shoot.. and then I see some worrying about either blocking Johnson? Is there a reason they couldn't come off the bench once Johnson is ready? Both are crystal clear fits & will come cheaper.

A 3&D vet with high level of playoff experience is exactly what we need.

I agree about Harris. What is the difference between Harris and Smith in terms of skill sets? I know Harris shot well from three last year, but so did Smith in the playoffs. That doesn't make him a three point shooter, nor should Harris be viewed as one because of 1 good regular season either. Both are around 30 percent career from three tweeners, who can do a little of everything but not great at any one thing, and need to dominate the ball to be most effective. The Pistons need off the ball shooters, not more ball dominant players with iffy jumpshots. If they could get Wade you make an exception for a superstar, but not for a Tobias Harris caliber player.

Besides, didnt the Pistons just acquire a very similar tweener in Ilyasova too? They just got a guy who can do everything Harris does at half the price, and he is a better more proven three pointer shooter. If they were to sign Harris to a max deal, they will have spent about 26m of their 30m in capspace this summer on essentially the same players.

I know every team wants to be able to increase their talent base every offseason, and Harris is talented, but he just seems like the last type of player this team needs.

The concern about Carroll is if he costs 50m, as some reports suggest, that would be a lot to pay for a bench player if Johnson ends up ready to start next year. With Green, he may not command as much, and he gives you a temporary SF now and an upgrade at SG later when Johnson is ready to start, if KCP doesn't develop. So I would prefer Green personally. More roster versatility, possibly cheaper, and more proven. I am leery of a journeyman like Carroll who suddenly has 1 good year in a contract season.