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Post #261 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 4:36 pm

Alexander wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
Alexander wrote:I was wondering if teams could do this? Why not? Golden State has no leverage in any of these cap clearing trades now.

The teams would ALL have to get together and agree not to work with the Warriors, and I'm sure that collusion of that magnitude is against the rules and would not be tolerated.

This is happening. Just accept it.

I know it's happening. and I'm not in denial.

I don't think there'd be a league-wide (minus Warriors) memo sent out saying "OMG GUYZ DON'T TRADE W/ WARRIORS KEVIN DURANT NOOO". Just, unless trades had already taken shape (and there isn't a gentleman's agreement preventing a renege), every team has to know that the Warriors have to move Bogut and whoever else in order to land Durant. If I'm a trade partner, I'm milking the HELL out of that advantage.

The trouble is that Bogut is an asset that people will want.

All it takes is multiple teams that want a player and the Warriors have leverage regardless of the situation. The only way they wouldn't is if, as I said before, collusion was involved.

Han Solo · Post #262 » by **Han Solo** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 4:38 pm

It's already happening, one team exec that was interested in Bogut just said he's not helping them. Sam Amico tweet

Post #263 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 4:44 pm

Han Solo wrote:It's already happening, one team exec that was interested in Bogut just said he's not helping them. Sam Amico tweet

Makes no difference unless its unanimous.

Scout Taron · Post #264 » by **Scout Taron** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 6:19 pm

I don't get it man. Is one year of Bogut worth setting up an unstoppable dynasty? NBA GMs are stupid.

coordinator0 · Post #265 » by **coordinator0** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 6:27 pm

Scout Taron wrote:I don't get it man. Is one year of Bogut worth setting up an unstoppable dynasty? NBA GMs are stupid.

It's happening regardless if a team takes on Bogut or not. That's the point.

MrBigShot · Post #266 » by **MrBigShot** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 6:31 pm

Han Solo wrote:It's already happening, one team exec that was interested in Bogut just said he's not helping them. Sam Amico tweet

I think every team should outright refuse to deal with the Warriors at this time. Send a message. If you want to go leave the team you've been with your an entire career with a contender-worthy supporting cast to join the 73 win team then you can take a paycut, and we're not going to help you.

Alexander · Post #267 » by **Alexander** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 6:36 pm

MrBigShot wrote:
Han Solo wrote:It's already happening, one team exec that was interested in Bogut just said he's not helping them. Sam Amico tweet

I think every team should outright refuse to deal with the Warriors at this time. Send a message. If you want to go leave the team you've been with your an entire career with a contender-worthy supporting cast to join the 73 win team then you can take a paycut, and we're not going to help you.

The impact this has on small market(/teams with **** weather) teams will be huge. It has me worried about Drummond and KCP leaving sooner than later.
You can draft LeBron #1 overall, but when he's 25 he'll leave the Midwestern team you built around him to go play with his boyfriend in Miami.
You can draft Durant #2, but the first time he's a free agent he'll leave boring Oklahoma for the Pacific coast to go join a semi-Olympic roster that just beat him in the WCF.

Very discouraging.

detroitKG · Post #268 » by **detroitKG** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 6:36 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/750035275968053248[/tweet]

Scout Taron · Post #269 » by **Scout Taron** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 6:43 pm

coordinator0 wrote:
Scout Taron wrote:I don't get it man. Is one year of Bogut worth setting up an unstoppable dynasty? NBA GMs are stupid.

It's happening regardless if a team takes on Bogut or not. That's the point.

Only if Durant is willing to take an enormous discount for the rest of his career. Not only would it be a one year paycut, but since they don't have full bird rights, they could only pay him 125% of his current salary to retain him.

coordinator0 · Post #270 » by **coordinator0** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 6:48 pm

Scout Taron wrote:
coordinator0 wrote:
Scout Taron wrote:I don't get it man. Is one year of Bogut worth setting up an unstoppable dynasty? NBA GMs are stupid.

It's happening regardless if a team takes on Bogut or not. That's the point.

Only if Durant is willing to take an enormous discount for the rest of his career. Not only would it be a one year paycut, but since they don't have full bird rights, they could only pay him 125% of his current salary to retain him.

Huh? Golden State needed to clear around $10 million in cap space to fit Durant's max for this season. Bogut is now on an expiring contract so he has no impact past this season. They're also projected to have enough in pure cap space to re-sign him at what will be next year's max too.

The Warriors could have opened up that amount dumping (which they are to Dallas) or stretching him and Iguodala. That would have hurt but not enough to stop them from getting Durant. There are no problems with him getting the max now and going forward regardless of whether or not a team took Bogut for free.

Scout Taron · Post #271 » by **Scout Taron** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 6:55 pm

coordinator0 wrote:
Scout Taron wrote:
coordinator0 wrote:
It's happening regardless if a team takes on Bogut or not. That's the point.

Only if Durant is willing to take an enormous discount for the rest of his career. Not only would it be a one year paycut, but since they don't have full bird rights, they could only pay him 125% of his current salary to retain him.

Huh? Golden State needed to clear around $10 million in cap space to fit Durant's max for this season. Bogut is now on an expiring contract so he has no impact past this season. They're also projected to have enough in pure cap space to re-sign him at what will be next year's max too.

The Warriors could have opened up that amount dumping (which they are to Dallas) or stretching him and Iguodala. That would have hurt but not enough to stop them from getting Durant. There are no problems with him getting the max now and going forward regardless of whether or not a team took Bogut for free.

The only way they could open the max space without a trade was by stretching multiple players (as you said). Which would massively hurt them now and in the long term. They also project to have that max cap space now assuming they sign zero players. They will have to fill out 6-7 roster spots of guys on one year deals to fill out the rest of the roster. And this becomes even harder to manage if they have to stretch players.

Refusing to trade extremely hamstrings their options and hurts their team massively. Trading allows them to get KD AND keep key roleplayers long term. Which is basically handing them a 5-peat.

mattao313 · Post #272 » by **mattao313** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 6:56 pm

give us Pat McCaw and two future first and I would take on Bogut.

coordinator0 · Post #273 » by **coordinator0** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 7:03 pm

Scout Taron wrote:The only way they could open the max space without a trade was by stretching multiple players (as you said). Which would massively hurt them now and in the long term. They also project to have that max cap space now assuming they sign zero players. They will have to fill out 6-7 roster spots of guys on one year deals to fill out the rest of the roster. And this becomes even harder to manage if they have to stretch players.

Refusing to trade extremely hamstrings their options and hurts their team massively. Trading allows them to get KD AND keep key roleplayers long term. Which is basically handing them a 5-peat.

They're getting rid of Bogut either way so it's just Iguodala or maybe Livingston (not both) that would have been the concern. Saying it would have "massively hurt them" is an overstatement. Not a huge deal either way. I get people are upset with the Warriors building another super team, but there isn't anything the rest of the league could to do to legitimately hinder them doing so.

detroitKG · Post #274 » by **detroitKG** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:18 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/750060232051527682[/tweet]

Post #275 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 8:31 pm

Good for Brandon.

Glad he caught on somewhere else, hope he can help them.

DBC10 · Post #276 » by **DBC10** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 9:16 pm

Will always love Brandon for leading us through the best Pistons basketball I've seen in years during the magical win streak.

Really hope he kills it.

coordinator0 · Post #277 » by **coordinator0** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 9:17 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/vgoodwill/status/750062773233651717[/tweet]

Moses ShamMoses · Post #278 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 9:21 pm

coordinator0 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/vgoodwill/status/750062773233651717[/tweet]

man, the injury concerns really decreased his value around the league.

Alexander · Post #279 » by **Alexander** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 9:36 pm

That's crazy. Brandon Jennings is one year removed from averaging 15/7 with us, and now he's making less than Ish Smith.
I'm not rooting for the Knicks, but I hope Jennings crushes it there.

coordinator0 · Post #280 » by **coordinator0** » Mon Jul 4, 2016 9:41 pm

Jennings was bad last season. The Achilles tear was devastating to his game, not that it came as a surprise. Hopefully with a healthier offseason he rounds back into shape but there isn't a lot of hope after having that injury.

That's why no team should expect anything from Chalmers this season.