PF targets

[Crymson]

From my friend ChatGPT

Well, I appreciate your honesty in noting that it's ChatGPT I'll go through these individually:

LeBron: 6x All-Defensive. Defensive IQ was never an issue, needless to say. Odd claim by ChatGPT about his later years, because as time has gone on, he's preserved energy for offense in the regular season by gradually trying less and less on defense.

Wiggins: He's always had the defensive potential; IQ was never the issue. He was extremely lazy in Minnesota. He became a good defender in Golden State for about a year and a half because he started putting in the effort. Then he declined after the championship because he again stopped caring.

Tatum: Again, never a bad defender. He got better over time as he gained NBA seasoning, like most do, but I wouldn't say he's a great deal better now than he was in his third season in the league. And he's more just a plus defender than a "strong" defender, as ChatGPT puts it.

DeRozan: Maybe he improved in San Antonio; but if so, then not by much. He was still a minus defender with the Spurs, and he remained so in Chicago.

Harden: Like Wiggins -- though he's never had Wiggins' defensive ceiling -- it was all effort. He started trying at some point during his tenure in Houston and became passable rather than terrible.


It's also worth noting that none of these are centers. Centers have the toughest job defensively, and also the greatest defensive impact. It becomes clear pretty early if they're just awful on defense, and awful defense takes a huge bite out of their value. If they're strong offensively, then they can find value anyway, though almost invariably not on a championship level (only Jokic can really manage that, and he had a defense built around him). Duren isn't strong offensively, needless to say.

[BadMofoPimp]

I may be in the minority in trading Ivey for a really good Forward to pair/split time with Tobias. It was evident that the team didn't miss a beat with him out if not played better. Then, resign Bease and Schroder. Offer THJ near the vet minimum up to $5 mil and let him walk if he wants more.

Super curious what Iveys value is to other teams right now.

Came up with a few names that I think are in a similar tier as Ivey....and I feel like I am a bigger Ivey fan than most Pistons fans, but here would a few names that at least work in the trade machine for a straight up 1 for 1 deal:

Tari Eason - Rockets have too much depth at this point, and cannot pay everybody. His availability scares me as well. Ivey is a great Jalen Green replacement if he is part of another deal.

Shaedon Sharpe - I don't think Billups is the biggest fan of him, but crazy upside

Keegan Murray - Great floor spacer for Cade, just seems like he is soft

Bilal Coulibaly - Swiss army knife, maybe a little too similar to Ausar/Holland though

GG Jackson (+ Konchar to make the money work) - 20 years old, he is a bucket and could be odd man out if Grizz bring back Aldama

Ben Mathurin - Would hate to see Ivey in a Pacers uni, and Mathurin is annoying but similar tier


I could be totally off-base on this tier, and again, I do like Ivey more than most of these guys, but these seem to be somewhat reasonable guys to go after if we had a gun to our head.

Personally, I would take Ivey over any of those, but if we can get a solid player that can play both SF and PF to take pressure off Tobias being he is getting older and less minutes would help save him for the playoffs. I wonder if Ivey and picks for Cam would work.

[the_l_train]

I may be in the minority in trading Ivey for a really good Forward to pair/split time with Tobias. It was evident that the team didn't miss a beat with him out if not played better. Then, resign Bease and Schroder. Offer THJ near the vet minimum up to $5 mil and let him walk if he wants more.

Super curious what Iveys value is to other teams right now.

Came up with a few names that I think are in a similar tier as Ivey....and I feel like I am a bigger Ivey fan than most Pistons fans, but here would a few names that at least work in the trade machine for a straight up 1 for 1 deal:

Tari Eason - Rockets have too much depth at this point, and cannot pay everybody. His availability scares me as well. Ivey is a great Jalen Green replacement if he is part of another deal.

Shaedon Sharpe - I don't think Billups is the biggest fan of him, but crazy upside

Keegan Murray - Great floor spacer for Cade, just seems like he is soft

Bilal Coulibaly - Swiss army knife, maybe a little too similar to Ausar/Holland though

GG Jackson (+ Konchar to make the money work) - 20 years old, he is a bucket and could be odd man out if Grizz bring back Aldama

Ben Mathurin - Would hate to see Ivey in a Pacers uni, and Mathurin is annoying but similar tier


I could be totally off-base on this tier, and again, I do like Ivey more than most of these guys, but these seem to be somewhat reasonable guys to go after if we had a gun to our head.

Personally, I would take Ivey over any of those, but if we can get a solid player that can play both SF and PF to take pressure off Tobias being he is getting older and less minutes would help save him for the playoffs. I wonder if Ivey and picks for Cam would work.

Devils advocate...but I'd take all those listed dudes over a 29 year old and injury prone Cam Johnson.

If we could pull off getting GG Jackson and a guy like Vince Williams, that would give us a shot at 2 decent forward prospects to take the Tobias/THJ spots. It would be risky, and standing pat with Ivey is probably smarter at this point.

[BadMofoPimp]

Super curious what Iveys value is to other teams right now.

Came up with a few names that I think are in a similar tier as Ivey....and I feel like I am a bigger Ivey fan than most Pistons fans, but here would a few names that at least work in the trade machine for a straight up 1 for 1 deal:

Tari Eason - Rockets have too much depth at this point, and cannot pay everybody. His availability scares me as well. Ivey is a great Jalen Green replacement if he is part of another deal.

Shaedon Sharpe - I don't think Billups is the biggest fan of him, but crazy upside

Keegan Murray - Great floor spacer for Cade, just seems like he is soft

Bilal Coulibaly - Swiss army knife, maybe a little too similar to Ausar/Holland though

GG Jackson (+ Konchar to make the money work) - 20 years old, he is a bucket and could be odd man out if Grizz bring back Aldama

Ben Mathurin - Would hate to see Ivey in a Pacers uni, and Mathurin is annoying but similar tier


I could be totally off-base on this tier, and again, I do like Ivey more than most of these guys, but these seem to be somewhat reasonable guys to go after if we had a gun to our head.

Personally, I would take Ivey over any of those, but if we can get a solid player that can play both SF and PF to take pressure off Tobias being he is getting older and less minutes would help save him for the playoffs. I wonder if Ivey and picks for Cam would work.

Devils advocate...but I'd take all those listed dudes over a 29 year old and injury prone Cam Johnson.

If we could pull off getting GG Jackson and a guy like Vince Williams, that would give us a shot at 2 decent forward prospects to take the Tobias/THJ spots. It would be risky, and standing pat with Ivey is probably smarter at this point.

While I agree with you, I think we need a SF that can play some PF to backup Harris. Also, I think Auser is the future SF on this team if not Ron Holland. Hopefully, one of them take a major step next season.

[the_l_train]

Throwing out a name here --- don't bite my head off, but curious if we would consider him an upgrade over Bball Paul.

Precious Achuiwa

I'm talking 3rd string Center/PF here, and he seems to produce decently when given time. I like Paul Reed as much as the next guy, but if we could get him for next to nothing I would consider it an upgrade. Duren and Beef Stew are injured enough where I'd love to have Precious AND Paul as insurance ideally. Figure they should both be relatively cheap at this point.

[LaSheed]

Well looks like a big NO on Zion.

[Snakebites]

Well looks like a big NO on Zion.

Oh yikes...

Yeah, I'd say it's a pretty moot point how.

[tmorgan]

Way to throw it all away, big fella. Legendary dumbassery.

[Snakebites]

Way to throw it all away, big fella. Legendary dumbassery.

It appears he threw it away before it even started.

The accusations span 5 years and begin in 2018 when he was at Duke.

[theBigLip]

Way to throw it all away, big fella. Legendary dumbassery.

This sounds like a goldigger. Happened in 2020? Why is she bringing it up now?

[theBigLip]

“We take these allegations with the utmost seriousness, and we unequivocally deny them,” the statement reads. “The allegations contained in the complaint are categorically false and reckless. This is the plaintiff’s third set of attorneys. This appears to be an attempt to exploit a professional athlete driven by a financial motive rather than any legitimate grievance.

“Mr. Williamson and the plaintiff never dated, but did maintain a consensual, casual relationship that began more than six years ago, when he was 18 years old. That relationship ended years ago. At no point during or immediately after that relationship did the plaintiff raise any concerns. Only after the friendship ended did she begin demanding millions of dollars.

“Mr. Williamson reported the plaintiff’s extortion attempts to law enforcement. We understand that an arrest warrant was issued in connection with that report, and we are prepared to provide the court with documentation that supports these facts. Mr. Williamson also intends to file counterclaims and seek significant damages for this defamatory lawsuit.

[MotownMadness]

Zion what a mess

[GreekAlex]

It’s fairly amazing how easy it is to make an allegation regardless of the reality with little to no consequence.

It’s a pretty asymmetrical proposition.

The accuser might get a huge payday but the downside is pretty non-existent.

Just for the record, I never wanted the Pistons to try to acquire him but it shocks me that so many posters are even taking this seriously.

Wake me up when there’s a criminal case.

[MotownMadness]

It’s fairly amazing how easy it is to make an allegation regardless of the reality with little to no consequence.

It’s a pretty asymmetrical proposition.

The accuser might get a huge payday but the downside is pretty non-existent.

Just for the record, I never wanted the Pistons to try to acquire him but it shocks me that so many posters are even taking this seriously.

Wake me up when there’s a criminal case.

He seems to always be in some sort of drama with these type of women. Dude probably needs to keep it his pants and focus on playing over OF girls.

[Crymson]

It’s fairly amazing how easy it is to make an allegation regardless of the reality with little to no consequence.

It’s a pretty asymmetrical proposition.

The accuser might get a huge payday but the downside is pretty non-existent.

Just for the record, I never wanted the Pistons to try to acquire him but it shocks me that so many posters are even taking this seriously.

Wake me up when there’s a criminal case.

Agreed. Unless there's an unequivocal smoking gun, I figure judgment out to wait for the results of an investigation.

[tmorgan]

Oh, this civil lawsuit may be 100% sour grapes, but this pornstar he got himself involved with speaks of his character. Zion is an idiot. The absolute last thing the Pistons need is a media circus. Count your blesssings that Cade is a high character guy.

[SuperBad]

I’m thinking Cades high character put him at a real good chance to be the face of the league in 2-3 years

[Rip32]

I’m thinking Cades high character put him at a real good chance to be the face of the league in 2-3 years

I don't see it especially with the Pistons being a tough, physical team.

[Crymson]

I think it's unusual for a non-flashy player to be one of the faces of the league. If Cade can reach Luka's level of technical brilliance, then maybe it'll be a different story. But even Luka wasn't really the face of the league.

[Canadafan]

How great would it be to have Stew PJWashington Holland Beasley Shröder as our bench. Wowwww that's tough though.
Duren Tobias Ausar Ivey Cade starters dayammmm.
Someone make that a reality with their brain using our cap space, exceptions, Fontecchio, Sasser, bird rights and draft picks.
What a fun hard nosed pistons team that would be. With our trademark backcourt comparable to Isiah Joe Vinnie and Billups Rip Hunter James.