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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2721 » by Jsindto » Tue May 31, 2022 9:47 pm

Jsindto wrote:Listened to the Bun & Cardigan podcast this morning with James Edwards III. He believes, at least at this early point in time, that the Pistons may have a top 3 guys (not including Chet/Paolo/Jabari) of Sharpe/Mathurin/Murray (not in any particular order). They may be a little lower on Ivey it seems. He wasn't reporting it as 100% gospel, but just his gut feeling from conversations I believe is how he couched it. Either way, thought it was interesting. I think he said for Sharpe it obviously will be very contingent on his workout, which he thinks is pretty soon ("early June").

For me, I've lately been on the Dyson Daniels train IF they think Hayes won't turn that corner (if they feel confident he will, Daniels doesn't make sense). But I've always hoped that Sharpe is the pick. And I say that because I don't think Weaver, who seems at least so far to be on the conservative side in the draft, is someone who would take Sharpe unless he really sees something in him. I, on the internet, can be a little worried about Sharpe. But if a front office who likely had eyes in Kentucky practices, able to watch every single dribble taken in high school, and has a one on one workout with him thinks Sharpe is the guy, then that's my #1 choice. I just can't personally be there since as a nobody on the internet I don't have any of that knowledge.

I feel like this got buried on the last page (or maybe nobody cared LOL). But still find it interesting that James Edwards thinks that if Ivey/Sharpe/Mathurin/Murray were all available (let's say Daniels goes top 4), he thinks the Pistons may have Ivey as the #4 on that mini-board behind some order of Sharpe/Mathurin/Murray.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2722 » by zeebneeb » Tue May 31, 2022 10:42 pm

Jsindto wrote:
Jsindto wrote:Listened to the Bun & Cardigan podcast this morning with James Edwards III. He believes, at least at this early point in time, that the Pistons may have a top 3 guys (not including Chet/Paolo/Jabari) of Sharpe/Mathurin/Murray (not in any particular order). They may be a little lower on Ivey it seems. He wasn't reporting it as 100% gospel, but just his gut feeling from conversations I believe is how he couched it. Either way, thought it was interesting. I think he said for Sharpe it obviously will be very contingent on his workout, which he thinks is pretty soon ("early June").

For me, I've lately been on the Dyson Daniels train IF they think Hayes won't turn that corner (if they feel confident he will, Daniels doesn't make sense). But I've always hoped that Sharpe is the pick. And I say that because I don't think Weaver, who seems at least so far to be on the conservative side in the draft, is someone who would take Sharpe unless he really sees something in him. I, on the internet, can be a little worried about Sharpe. But if a front office who likely had eyes in Kentucky practices, able to watch every single dribble taken in high school, and has a one on one workout with him thinks Sharpe is the guy, then that's my #1 choice. I just can't personally be there since as a nobody on the internet I don't have any of that knowledge.

I feel like this got buried on the last page (or maybe nobody cared LOL). But still find it interesting that James Edwards thinks that if Ivey/Sharpe/Mathurin/Murray were all available (let's say Daniels goes top 4), he thinks the Pistons may have Ivey as the #4 on that mini-board behind some order of Sharpe/Mathurin/Murray.
I'm glad Ivey is buried on that list. Sharpe or Murray should be the pick.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2723 » by Piston Pete » Wed Jun 1, 2022 2:47 am

I have very little interest in Daniels.

We don’t need anymore guys who can’t shoot.

Why I am also down on Ivey….although I prefer him over Daniels.

Murray seems like Jerami Grant would be his ceiling.

Mathurin is intriguing, but not sure his ceiling is top-5 worthy.

Sharpe should be the pick…..if he’s available at 5.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2724 » by mattao313 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 3:29 am

Piston Pete wrote:I have very little interest in Daniels.

We don’t need anymore guys who can’t shoot.

Why I am also down on Ivey….although I prefer him over Daniels.

Murray seems like Jerami Grant would be his ceiling.

Mathurin is intriguing, but not sure his ceiling is top-5 worthy.

Sharpe should be the pick…..if he’s available at 5.
Sharpe is a questionable shooter too

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2725 » by Kalamazoo317 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 4:57 am

On offense I think we need shooting and connective playmaking more than we need someone who's going to dribble the ball into the dirt and iso to make something out of nothing. Grant and Cade can both get their own shot in isolation. We need people who can take advantage of the looks Cade gets them, stretch the floor, and keep the ball zipping around. And we need them to be long, switchable defenders who hustle, have a team-first focus, and can get physical in man defense.

Pass on Sharpe. I understand why players make business decisions, but I want players that are hungry to play and who want to put their team first. A player who puts business first is going to be on the first bus out of here when they get a chance.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2727 » by mattao313 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 6:00 am

Kalamazoo317 wrote:On offense I think we need shooting and connective playmaking more than we need someone who's going to dribble the ball into the dirt and iso to make something out of nothing. Grant and Cade can both get their own shot in isolation. We need people who can take advantage of the looks Cade gets them, stretch the floor, and keep the ball zipping around. And we need them to be long, switchable defenders who hustle, have a team-first focus, and can get physical in man defense.

Pass on Sharpe. I understand why players make business decisions, but I want players that are hungry to play and who want to put their team first. A player who puts business first is going to be on the first bus out of here when they get a chance.


Why can't Cade benefit from looks other players can create for him? We got too many folks who want that James Harden offense. Cade is a good playmaker we desperately need another one, Grant is not that guy he's purely a scorer he's not creating for others. We've seen the good teams double and trap Cade being the sole creator with another guy like that on the team that ain't happening. Prioritize playmaking over one dimensional 3&D guys.

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2728 » by tmorgan » Wed Jun 1, 2022 8:21 am

Just draft Dyson Daniels.
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Post#2729 » by vic » Wed Jun 1, 2022 11:15 am

I’m leaning towards size & defense so I’m going:
Sharpe/Daniels/Mathurin
You need 2-way wings, 2-way shooting bigs, and you can't allow low iq players on the court. Assist/turnover ratio is crucial. Shooting point guards are icing on the cake IF they are plus defenders.
Weaver & Casey, govern yourselves accordingly!
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2730 » by El Chivo » Wed Jun 1, 2022 12:12 pm

my board remains ( after the so called big 3 ):

Sharpe
Ivey
Murray
Mathurin
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2731 » by Kalamazoo317 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 1:16 pm

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Kalamazoo317 wrote:On offense I think we need shooting and connective playmaking more than we need someone who's going to dribble the ball into the dirt and iso to make something out of nothing. Grant and Cade can both get their own shot in isolation. We need people who can take advantage of the looks Cade gets them, stretch the floor, and keep the ball zipping around. And we need them to be long, switchable defenders who hustle, have a team-first focus, and can get physical in man defense.

Pass on Sharpe. I understand why players make business decisions, but I want players that are hungry to play and who want to put their team first. A player who puts business first is going to be on the first bus out of here when they get a chance.


Why can't Cade benefit from looks other players can create for him? We got too many folks who want that James Harden offense. Cade is a good playmaker we desperately need another one, Grant is not that guy he's purely a scorer he's not creating for others. We've seen the good teams double and trap Cade being the sole creator with another guy like that on the team that ain't happening. Prioritize playmaking over one dimensional 3&D guys.

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I didn't say we didn't need ballhandlers or playmakers at all and I did mention connective playmaking. I said we don't need another iso, pound the ball into the ground type. We need players who are just as effective off ball. From what I've read, Ivey isn't anything special in terms of being a playmaker but is pretty ineffective off-ball.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2732 » by FloridaMan78 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 3:53 pm

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mattao313 wrote:
Kalamazoo317 wrote:On offense I think we need shooting and connective playmaking more than we need someone who's going to dribble the ball into the dirt and iso to make something out of nothing. Grant and Cade can both get their own shot in isolation. We need people who can take advantage of the looks Cade gets them, stretch the floor, and keep the ball zipping around. And we need them to be long, switchable defenders who hustle, have a team-first focus, and can get physical in man defense.

Pass on Sharpe. I understand why players make business decisions, but I want players that are hungry to play and who want to put their team first. A player who puts business first is going to be on the first bus out of here when they get a chance.


Why can't Cade benefit from looks other players can create for him? We got too many folks who want that James Harden offense. Cade is a good playmaker we desperately need another one, Grant is not that guy he's purely a scorer he's not creating for others. We've seen the good teams double and trap Cade being the sole creator with another guy like that on the team that ain't happening. Prioritize playmaking over one dimensional 3&D guys.

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I didn't say we didn't need ballhandlers or playmakers at all and I did mention connective playmaking. I said we don't need another iso, pound the ball into the ground type. We need players who are just as effective off ball. From what I've read, Ivey isn't anything special in terms of being a playmaker but is pretty ineffective off-ball.


He did play off-guard this year though so there’s that. He was ran off screens all year. Could his best position be with the ball in his hands? Probably, but to say he is ineffective off-ball would mean this year he was ineffective.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2733 » by FloridaMan78 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 3:55 pm

So with Shaedon Sharpe remaining in the draft, did anyone hear if he may have gotten a promise?
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2734 » by Jsindto » Wed Jun 1, 2022 5:00 pm

FloridaMan78 wrote:So with Shaedon Sharpe remaining in the draft, did anyone hear if he may have gotten a promise?

I'd guess just the general vibe of being a near certainty to be a top 10 pick. I wouldn't take it any more or less than that. "Promises" are usually mid first or later I think.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2735 » by mattao313 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 5:17 pm

Jsindto wrote:
FloridaMan78 wrote:So with Shaedon Sharpe remaining in the draft, did anyone hear if he may have gotten a promise?

I'd guess just the general vibe of being a near certainty to be a top 10 pick. I wouldn't take it any more or less than that. "Promises" are usually mid first or later I think.
Yeah I'm sure he'll go top 10 in that one interview he said he already heard good things

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2736 » by mattao313 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 5:19 pm

vic wrote:I’m leaning towards size & defense so I’m going:
Sharpe/Daniels/Mathurin
The only guy for sure a good defender out of those 3 is Daniels Sharpe is bad and Mathurin is hot and cold.

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2737 » by mattao313 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 5:25 pm

buzzkilloton wrote:
That vid doesn't really do any favors for Daniels. Can't shoot at all and is a little slow looks like a souped up Killian Hayes.

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2738 » by Kalamazoo317 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 5:33 pm

53% FTs on Daniels? Nah ....
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2739 » by tmorgan » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:06 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:53% FTs on Daniels? Nah ....


What? Where are you getting that number from? He shot 73.7% in the G-League last year.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2740 » by Jsindto » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:19 pm

tmorgan wrote:
Kalamazoo317 wrote:53% FTs on Daniels? Nah ....


What? Where are you getting that number from? He shot 73.7% in the G-League last year.

The ignite team stats are very annoying to look at. There's the "Showcase" which I believe is the beginning of the season, which is where you got your 73.7%. And then there's the Ignite Tour, which I believe is the end of the season, which was 38.5% FT. For a season 53%. So definitely no bueno. His 3 seems to have gotten much better, but I'm not sure if his FT are part of those rumors/expectations.

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