Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

The Moose · Post #2781 » by **The Moose** » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:58 pm

Pharaoh · Post #2782 » by **Pharaoh** » Wed Jun 8, 2022 3:41 am

buzzkilloton wrote:I seen this on the ringer earlier. It got me thinking what if the kings cant get decent value for pick 4. I mean there screaming they want to win now would they take Murray over Ivey? I think it could happen here if they cant make a trade. I'm pretty sure in that case we go Ivey which I'd love to do.

That could make a interesting bet as well. You can bet Murray at 4 and then Ivey at 5 and basically double dip. Not saying its likely but very possible if the Kings cant trade that pick.

League sources say the Kings are looking for a win-now player with the fourth pick, whether they draft one or deal the pick to acquire one. Trading out of the draft is a possibility, but so is moving down. Sources say Sacramento is willing to move back for a lower pick and a player who would fit into the same trajectory as De’Aaron Fox, Domantas Sabonis, and Davion Mitchell.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/6/6/23156358/donovan-mitchell-rumors-jazz-nba-finals

You'd think if the Kings are all in on Fox & Mitchell they won't be looking at Ivey and could easily take Murray.

Fox, Mitchell, Murray, Barnes, Sabonis could be their starting line up

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El Chivo · Post #2783 » by **El Chivo** » Wed Jun 8, 2022 10:23 am

Any news about a Pistons' schedule for workouts?

Are they keeping them secret?

King Bugs · Post #2784 » by **King Bugs** » Wed Jun 8, 2022 5:25 pm

Pharaoh wrote:You'd think if the Kings are all in on Fox & Mitchell they won't be looking at Ivey and could easily take Murray.

Fox, Mitchell, Murray, Barnes, Sabonis could be their starting line up

You would also think they wouldn't be interested in creating another guard logjam after they just traded out of one. I would say a Fox (6'4) and Mitchell (6'2) backcourt would be too small, but we just saw Brunson (6'1) play a big role in a conference finals run. The game just isn't dominated by size like it used to be. Multi-dimensional ballhandling guard/wings that aren't complete negatives on defense is the way to go.

Welp, for all the Jaden Ivey lovers, I know that hope is waning, but The Athletic's David Aldridge who is one of the more in tune insiders out there said that what he's hearing in executive circles is that we love Ivey. He seems to be our guy so if he's there at 5, I wouldn't be afraid that we take anyone over him. Everything comes down to what the Kings do, if they pick him, trade out to someone else who does or whatever. It wouldn't be the first time they screwed us out of a player we wanted, Demarcus Cousins says "hi!".

The Moose · Post #2785 » by **The Moose** » Wed Jun 8, 2022 5:39 pm

El Chivo wrote:Any news about a Pistons' schedule for workouts?

Are they keeping them secret?

Yes they seem to be pretty secretive about it.

I know we worked out Duren a few days ago, and both Dyson and Sharpe having workouts upcoming. I would assume Ivey/Murray/Mathurin will round out the workouts

The Moose · Post #2786 » by **The Moose** » Wed Jun 8, 2022 5:43 pm

King Bugs wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:You'd think if the Kings are all in on Fox & Mitchell they won't be looking at Ivey and could easily take Murray.

Fox, Mitchell, Murray, Barnes, Sabonis could be their starting line up

You would also think they wouldn't be interested in creating another guard logjam after they just traded out of one. I would say a Fox (6'4) and Mitchell (6'2) backcourt would be too small, but we just saw Brunson (6'1) play a big role in a conference finals run. The game just isn't dominated by size like it used to be. Multi-dimensional ballhandling guard/wings that aren't complete negatives on defense is the way to go.

Welp, for all the Jaden Ivey lovers, I know that hope is waning, but The Athletic's David Aldridge who is one of the more in tune insiders out there said that what he's hearing in executive circles is that we love Ivey. He seems to be our guy so if he's there at 5, I wouldn't be afraid that we take anyone over him. Everything comes down to what the Kings do, if they pick him, trade out to someone else who does or whatever. It wouldn't be the first time they screwed us out of a player we wanted, Demarcus Cousins says "hi!".

https://theathletic.com/3350046/2022/06/07/nba-draft-top-guards-analysis/

Eastern Conference Executive No. 1: He’s a (Russell) Westbrook/(Dwyane) Wade type of guy. I like (Purdue head coach) Matt Painter. But if Ivey had been in a situation where they get up and down the floor and get more open, there’s no telling what he could have done. I know Detroit loves Ivey.

I think it was just one "Eastern Conference Executive" who said that, I think JEIII would have a better feel on the Pistons front than an anonymous executive from another team tbh

King Bugs · Post #2787 » by **King Bugs** » Wed Jun 8, 2022 5:58 pm

The Moose wrote:I think it was just one "Eastern Conference Executive" who said that, I think JEIII would have a better feel on the Pistons front than an anonymous executive from another team tbh

He could, but I don't get that impression from him, at least not all the time. Every time he gives out info it comes off in a cover-all-my-bases kind of way so if I'm wrong then I'm still right because I said every potential scenario is "possible". It annoys me so much.

Maybe no one knows anything. :lol:

DBC10 · Post #2788 » by **DBC10** » Wed Jun 8, 2022 6:05 pm

King Bugs wrote:
The Moose wrote:I think it was just one "Eastern Conference Executive" who said that, I think JEIII would have a better feel on the Pistons front than an anonymous executive from another team tbh

He could, but I don't get that impression from him, at least not all the time. Every time he gives out info it comes off in a cover-all-my-bases kind of way so if I'm wrong then I'm still right because I said every potential scenario is "possible". It annoys me so much.

Maybe no one knows anything.

AKA the RealGM way

:lol:

Moses ShamMoses · Post #2789 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Wed Jun 8, 2022 11:10 pm

I'm feeling like Dyson Daniels at #5 this week. There's just something about him. Maybe its the "IT" factor? I'm envisioning pairing him alongside Cade bringing secondary playmaking, wing size, defense, high IQ like Cade, and yes I'm imagining the jumpshot being wet

bjones521 · Post #2790 » by **bjones521** » Wed Jun 8, 2022 11:23 pm

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037911-nba-exec-rips-shaedon-sharpes-high-draft-stock-show-me-where-the-5-star-s--t-is

Wish Troy Weaver said this

mattao313 · Post #2791 » by **mattao313** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 2:02 am

Moses ShamMoses wrote:I'm feeling like Dyson Daniels at #5 this week. There's just something about him. Maybe its the "IT" factor? I'm envisioning pairing him alongside Cade bringing secondary playmaking, wing size, defense, high IQ like Cade, and yes I'm imagining the jumpshot being wet

Basic handle, slow, and can't shoot I don't understand the hype with Daniels we already got the french version in Hayes.

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The Moose · Post #2792 » by **The Moose** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 2:23 am

mattao313 wrote:
Moses ShamMoses wrote:I'm feeling like Dyson Daniels at #5 this week. There's just something about him. Maybe its the "IT" factor? I'm envisioning pairing him alongside Cade bringing secondary playmaking, wing size, defense, high IQ like Cade, and yes I'm imagining the jumpshot being wet
Basic handle, slow, and can't shoot I don't understand the hype with Daniels we already got the french version in Hayes.

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Potential elite, game changing defender that can defender 1 through 4, with ability to be the secondary creator on offense + high iq.
He plays far bigger than Hayes, in that he can defend big wings and quick guards and he's a strong rebounder on both sides of the glass. Killian is a pure PG who can defend 1's and 2's who looks best when he can run the offense as true PG on the court. I think thats partly the reason he looked a lot better when he was wasn't playing next to Cade.

I don't think he's slow either, he was basically the fastest player at the combine in terms of overall measurements. Thats definitely not slow when you consider that he's also 6'7 with a 6'11 wingspan with that speed. He's not an explosive athlete in terms of quickness or vertical, but he definitely isn't slow.

The shooting is definitely the swing skill with him though

mattao313 · Post #2793 » by **mattao313** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 2:34 am

The Moose wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
Moses ShamMoses wrote:I'm feeling like Dyson Daniels at #5 this week. There's just something about him. Maybe its the "IT" factor? I'm envisioning pairing him alongside Cade bringing secondary playmaking, wing size, defense, high IQ like Cade, and yes I'm imagining the jumpshot being wet
Basic handle, slow, and can't shoot I don't understand the hype with Daniels we already got the french version in Hayes.

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Potential elite, game changing defender that can defender 1 through 4, with ability to be the secondary creator on offense + high iq.
He plays far bigger than Hayes, in that he can defend big wings and quick guards and he's a strong rebounder on both sides of the glass. Killian is a pure PG who can defend 1's and 2's who looks best when he can run the offense as true PG on the court. I think thats partly the reason he looked a lot better when he was wasn't playing next to Cade.

I don't think he's slow either, he was basically the fastest player at the combine in terms of overall measurements. Thats definitely not slow when you consider that he's also 6'7 with a 6'11 wingspan with that speed. He's not an explosive athlete in terms of quickness or vertical, but he definitely isn't slow.

The shooting is definitely the swing skill with him though

He's definitely slow with the ball his first step is not good. Without the ball sure he can be quick maybe it his handle that's slowing him down.. So what do you see his best outcome as? Marcus smart maybe?

I just don't see star potential at most I see a glue guy.

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The Moose · Post #2794 » by **The Moose** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 2:39 am

mattao313 wrote:
The Moose wrote:
mattao313 wrote:Basic handle, slow, and can't shoot I don't understand the hype with Daniels we already got the french version in Hayes.

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Potential elite, game changing defender that can defender 1 through 4, with ability to be the secondary creator on offense + high iq.
He plays far bigger than Hayes, in that he can defend big wings and quick guards and he's a strong rebounder on both sides of the glass. Killian is a pure PG who can defend 1's and 2's who looks best when he can run the offense as true PG on the court. I think thats partly the reason he looked a lot better when he was wasn't playing next to Cade.

I don't think he's slow either, he was basically the fastest player at the combine in terms of overall measurements. Thats definitely not slow when you consider that he's also 6'7 with a 6'11 wingspan with that speed. He's not an explosive athlete in terms of quickness or vertical, but he definitely isn't slow.

The shooting is definitely the swing skill with him though

He's definitely slow with the ball his first step is not good. Without the ball sure he can be quick maybe it his handle that's slowing him down.. So what do you see his best outcome as? Marcus smart maybe?

I just don't see star potential at most I see a glue guy.

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somewhere between a Smart/Lonzo type of player yea. More of an elite connective type rather than a star, but for me I'd rather have an elite glue guy than a guy who isn't good enough to be a star and also doesn't have the skillset to be an effective complimentary player, and thats how I see a lot of these other guys in our range

vic · Post #2795 » by **vic** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 1:53 pm

The Moose wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
The Moose wrote:
Potential elite, game changing defender that can defender 1 through 4, with ability to be the secondary creator on offense + high iq.
He plays far bigger than Hayes, in that he can defend big wings and quick guards and he's a strong rebounder on both sides of the glass. Killian is a pure PG who can defend 1's and 2's who looks best when he can run the offense as true PG on the court. I think thats partly the reason he looked a lot better when he was wasn't playing next to Cade.

I don't think he's slow either, he was basically the fastest player at the combine in terms of overall measurements. Thats definitely not slow when you consider that he's also 6'7 with a 6'11 wingspan with that speed. He's not an explosive athlete in terms of quickness or vertical, but he definitely isn't slow.

The shooting is definitely the swing skill with him though

He's definitely slow with the ball his first step is not good. Without the ball sure he can be quick maybe it his handle that's slowing him down.. So what do you see his best outcome as? Marcus smart maybe?

I just don't see star potential at most I see a glue guy.

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somewhere between a Smart/Lonzo type of player yea. More of an elite connective type rather than a star, but for me I'd rather have an elite glue guy than a guy who isn't good enough to be a star and also doesn't have the skillset to be an effective complimentary player, and thats how I see a lot of these other guys in our range

A Lonzo/Smart guy in the starting lineup can definitely help get you to the finals. We already have most of that in Killian/Cade. Wouldn’t mind having Dyson though.

I’m still leaning more towards Sharpe because he has superstar size, athleticism, and in-game shotmaking.

Manocad · Post #2796 » by **Manocad** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 2:58 pm

bjones521 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037911-nba-exec-rips-shaedon-sharpes-high-draft-stock-show-me-where-the-5-star-s--t-is

Wish Troy Weaver said this

I doubt the guy that said it is the only NBA GM thinking it, which Weaver may be.

I'm not one of the people here who purports to not only know what Weaver is thinking but know more than Weaver. I assume that Weaver has a better take on draft picks and building an NBA team than I do so if he takes Sharpe, I'm fine with it. If he doesn't take Sharpe, I'm fine with it. No matter who he takes, I'm fine with it.

whitehops · Post #2797 » by **whitehops** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 5:29 pm

The Moose wrote:

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it's definitely smart to bring as many prospects in for workouts as you can. you do it not only in case you get a second first round pick but also because it's the last chance you get to see the players directly. after they get drafted you can't contact them, so if you don't work them out pre-draft then you'll have less of a scouting report on their characters in any future trade or FA signings.

Sort · Post #2798 » by **Sort** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 8:28 pm

It's hard for me to put too much stock in any visit with any player - save the top three. That would be something.

If Ivey is off the table, the chances of a trade go up substantially in my book. The hypothetical 5 for Spurs three first round picks makes a lot of sense for Detroit - and Murray would make a lot of sense on the Spurs. That's pointless conjecture, but I think at this point there's a clear top four and who you like from there might be available on down the line.

buzzkilloton · Post #2799 » by **buzzkilloton** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 9:06 pm

As of today my draft board is:

1.Ivey Someone will correct me if im wrong but he would be the best athlete the Pistons have ever had. If he can get dialed in on defense like a J.Holiday and get a averageish 3pt he can be special.

2.Sharpe I could go as high as 1 or off the board depending on news. Seems like hes falling to me its been to quiet on him across the league. With what he could potentially be I'm hoping to hear some bullish news.

3.Daniels The bad with him is the shot is questionable at best. The good is like everything else. Almost 6'8 and can handle the ball, defend multiple positions, has a really high basketball IQ. After the former two players I think were more looking at high end role players. I think of the role players left a oversized secondary ball handler that plays both ends is easily the most valuable. Daniels is also really young and smart there is rumors his 3pter is better if thats true he could develop into a all star.

dezzie_33 · Post #2800 » by **dezzie_33** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 9:54 pm

Manocad wrote:
bjones521 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037911-nba-exec-rips-shaedon-sharpes-high-draft-stock-show-me-where-the-5-star-s--t-is

Wish Troy Weaver said this

I doubt the guy that said it is the only NBA GM thinking it, which Weaver may be.

I'm not one of the people here who purports to not only know what Weaver is thinking but know more than Weaver. I assume that Weaver has a better take on draft picks and building an NBA team than I do so if he takes Sharpe, I'm fine with it. If he doesn't take Sharpe, I'm fine with it. No matter who he takes, I'm fine with it.

Even Johnny Davis?