Run it Back or Upgrade?

[Kalamazoo317]

Butterfly effect and all that, but if nothing else changed and we had Green instead of Cade right now, things would be very sad around here.

Do we even know he was number two on our list? Mobley would have been interesting.

I'll openly admit I wasn't particularly excited about Mobley (and have egg on my face now given the season he just had).

Mobley would've been interesting, yeah, but I think we'd also be sad and be viewing this as a "what might've been" season with no one driving the offense. We just would not be as good of a team with Mobley instead of Cade (obviously hard to really fully evaluate, though, since a lot of other picks and pick ups would've changed with the different starting points.)

[BadMofoPimp]

I say run it back one more year and use the massive cap room for 2026/27 to find our Sheeeeed.

[Canadafan]

I say run it back one more year and use the massive cap room for 2026/27 to find our Sheeeeed.

Not sure we'd have much cap space after u factor in Shröder Beasley contracts. We'd be at close to $170million in contracts next summer if they sign for longer than 1yr

[Snakebites]

I say run it back one more year and use the massive cap room for 2026/27 to find our Sheeeeed.

Not sure we'd have much cap space after u factor in Shröder Beasley contracts. We'd be at close to $170million in contracts next summer if they sign for longer than 1yr

You’d need to not extend and renounce Ivey and Duren for cap space to even be a discussion.

Which is counter productive.

[bstein14]

I say run it back one more year and use the massive cap room for 2026/27 to find our Sheeeeed.

Not sure we'd have much cap space after u factor in Shröder Beasley contracts. We'd be at close to $170million in contracts next summer if they sign for longer than 1yr

You’d need to not extend and renounce Ivey and Duren for cap space to even be a discussion.

Which is counter productive.

That's not really true. If Ivey signs for something like 4 years $80 million after a decent season as a starter, then you have Duren's caphold at $19.45 million before he resigns. Duren's cap hold is locked in even if he has a great season and earns a $100+ million contract so the real variable is what type of deal could we quickly sign Ivey to so we could then make good use of our cap space.

So something like this would be our books.

Cade $50.1
Duren $19.5
Ivey $19.0
Stew $15.0
Ausar $11.1
Holland $9.0
Sasser $5.2
2026 1st Round Pick $4.1 (estimate, but depends on where we sit record wise)

That's 8 guys and $132 million in a season where the salary cap is expected to be at $171 million in 26-27 so we'd have close to $39 million or even a bit more if we traded away our 2026 first rounder or Marcus Sasser.

Of course that doesn't account for Beasley, who is very likely to have a multi-year contract signed with us this summer IMO.

This also means we're not going to resign old man Tobias to anything more than the room exception if we're looking to maximize our cap space in 2026.

[BadMofoPimp]

I say run it back one more year and use the massive cap room for 2026/27 to find our Sheeeeed.

Not sure we'd have much cap space after u factor in Shröder Beasley contracts. We'd be at close to $170million in contracts next summer if they sign for longer than 1yr

There will be mad cap room in 26/27, so their salaries won't be as big a factor in 2 years, just next year while they still could add another solid player. Future is bright even if they run it back. Besides, any other moves will end up with massive overpays to bring players here while we could have better chemistry, continuity and overall team play by keeping the core players.

[Phenomenonsense]

I say run it back one more year and use the massive cap room for 2026/27 to find our Sheeeeed.

Not sure we'd have much cap space after u factor in Shröder Beasley contracts. We'd be at close to $170million in contracts next summer if they sign for longer than 1yr

You’d need to not extend and renounce Ivey and Duren for cap space to even be a discussion.

Which is counter productive.

Yeah. I am very interested in internal development, but our cap space is basically at a "make a move this year" position. Hard choices to be sure, but we won't have another opportunity while retaining folk

[Crymson]

There will be mad cap room in 26/27, so their salaries won't be as big a factor in 2 years, just next year while they still could add another solid player. Future is bright even if they run it back. Besides, any other moves will end up with massive overpays to bring players here while we could have better chemistry, continuity and overall team play by keeping the core players.

Add a total of $25 million between Schroder and Beasley, $25 million for Ivey, and even a bare $15 million for a center, and the cap room for that summer becomes about $10 million with only 10 players under contract. That would not include any cap holds, whether for players or draft picks.

Free agency is very weak nowadays anyway, has been for some time and is likely to remain so.

[Pharaoh]

Run it back.

Small ball is a thing so Ausar can play PF minutes and Holland needs more time anyway.

There's a whole lot of questions moving forward and TL gotta navigate that well for us to once again be the dominant force in the East.

2nd apron will eventually be a factor assuming Ivey, Duren, Ausar & Holland become a thing.

Truth be told y'all want to dismiss Teoy Weaver. Who essentially assembled this roster

So yeah y'all get to STFU and so do I.

And I have.

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[Canadafan]

Run it back.

Small ball is a thing so Ausar can play PF minutes and Holland needs more time anyway.

There's a whole lot of questions moving forward and TL gotta navigate that well for us to once again be the dominant force in the East.

2nd apron will eventually be a factor assuming Ivey, Duren, Ausar & Holland become a thing.

Truth be told y'all want to dismiss Teoy Weaver. Who essentially assembled this roster

So yeah y'all get to STFU and so do I.

And I have.

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Except for drafting Hayes over Haliburton

[Canadafan]

Since we don't have his bird rights, how much can we sign Beasley for if we operate as an over the cap team?
Or can we only use MLE on him?
Can we give him a no trade clause? Lol
A player option so we can sign him down the road to a bigger contract?

[bstein14]

Since we don't have his bird rights, how much can we sign Beasley for if we operate as an over the cap team?
Or can we only use MLE on him?
Can we give him a no trade clause? Lol
A player option so we can sign him down the road to a bigger contract?

$7.2 million(120% of his previous salary) if we operate as an over the cap team that wants to save its MLE $ for someone else.

[Canadafan]

Since we don't have his bird rights, how much can we sign Beasley for if we operate as an over the cap team?
Or can we only use MLE on him?
Can we give him a no trade clause? Lol
A player option so we can sign him down the road to a bigger contract?

$7.2 million(120% of his previous salary) if we operate as an over the cap team that wants to save its MLE $ for someone else.

So to make it worth his while, we could sign him to a 2 yr deal,with player option In 2nd yr with a wink wink nudge nudge of our intention to sign him to bigger contract in the future?

[Kalamazoo317]

Run it back.

Small ball is a thing so Ausar can play PF minutes and Holland needs more time anyway.

There's a whole lot of questions moving forward and TL gotta navigate that well for us to once again be the dominant force in the East.

2nd apron will eventually be a factor assuming Ivey, Duren, Ausar & Holland become a thing.

Truth be told y'all want to dismiss Teoy Weaver. Who essentially assembled this roster

So yeah y'all get to STFU and so do I.

And I have.

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There's a whole thread on why Weaver doesn't get credit for the current state of things. Please direct your trash takes there.

[theBigLip]

Run it back and hopefully get Duren and Ivey to sign reasonable extensions. Then at some point we have contracts needed to make a big trade, although prefer all our young core just keeps getting better.

[BadMofoPimp]

There will be mad cap room in 26/27, so their salaries won't be as big a factor in 2 years, just next year while they still could add another solid player. Future is bright even if they run it back. Besides, any other moves will end up with massive overpays to bring players here while we could have better chemistry, continuity and overall team play by keeping the core players.

Add a total of $25 million between Schroder and Beasley, $25 million for Ivey, and even a bare $15 million for a center, and the cap room for that summer becomes about $10 million with only 10 players under contract. That would not include any cap holds, whether for players or draft picks.

Free agency is very weak nowadays anyway, has been for some time and is likely to remain so.

Even though right now it shows $67 mil in cap holds for 26/27?

[tmorgan]

There will be mad cap room in 26/27, so their salaries won't be as big a factor in 2 years, just next year while they still could add another solid player. Future is bright even if they run it back. Besides, any other moves will end up with massive overpays to bring players here while we could have better chemistry, continuity and overall team play by keeping the core players.

Add a total of $25 million between Schroder and Beasley, $25 million for Ivey, and even a bare $15 million for a center, and the cap room for that summer becomes about $10 million with only 10 players under contract. That would not include any cap holds, whether for players or draft picks.

Free agency is very weak nowadays anyway, has been for some time and is likely to remain so.

Even though right now it shows $67 mil in cap holds for 26/27?

I’m gonna assume you’re misunderstanding the concept of a “cap hold” here. Pardon me if I’m incorrect.

What you seem to be referring to is committed salary next summer (meaning for the 26-27 season) which currently looks low, but that’s just becsuse we have so few players officially signed for that period. Cade and Stew are under contract already, but Ivey and Duren are not, because whatever extensions they sign start that year. I’m not even sure that number includes Ausar (4th year) or Holland (3rd year), because their options aren’t picked up yet. Sasser isn’t included because his 4th year definitely isn’t picked up yet. Tobias will have expired. And the rest of the team is also either expired (Tek) or still up in the air (Schroder, THJ, Beasley, Reed).

So yeah, it looks like we have a ton of space next summer, but that’s misleading. We’ll obviously pick up the options on Ausar and Ron, Ivey and Duren will have new contracts already in place or will need to be negotiated, and I seriously doubt we can bring back Schroder or (especially) Beasley on a one year deal this summer. We’ll also need a new deal for Tobias or whomever his replacement is that we might acquire this summer.

Free agency does indeed stink these days anyway. We’re better off where we are than having multiple holes to fill with limited resources and a very punishing CBA in place.

[Crymson]

Run it back and hopefully get Duren and Ivey to sign reasonable extensions. Then at some point we have contracts needed to make a big trade, although prefer all our young core just keeps getting better.

Duren is overwhelmingly unlikely to be getting paid at all unless his defense takes a gigantic step.

[tmorgan]

Run it back and hopefully get Duren and Ivey to sign reasonable extensions. Then at some point we have contracts needed to make a big trade, although prefer all our young core just keeps getting better.

Duren is overwhelmingly unlikely to be getting paid at all unless his defense takes a gigantic step.

I’m not at all sure that’s true unless you’ve seen something I haven’t.

Not saying his defense isn’t a problem, just that I’ve seen nothing that indicates we’re moving on from him.

[Phenomenonsense]

Run it back and hopefully get Duren and Ivey to sign reasonable extensions. Then at some point we have contracts needed to make a big trade, although prefer all our young core just keeps getting better.

Duren is overwhelmingly unlikely to be getting paid at all unless his defense takes a gigantic step.

I’m not at all sure that’s true unless you’ve seen something I haven’t.

Not saying his defense isn’t a problem, just that I’ve seen nothing that indicates we’re moving on from him.

Yeah, wishful thinking to think that players are only paid for exactly what they have contributed. They're also paid for their potential, so Duren will be paid. We can only hope it is less than Duren is hoping for.