Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

[Manocad]

I also think Sharpe is too much of a risk. I'd rather have minor immediate improvement from Murray/Ivey than potentially more improvement from Sharpe 2-3 years down the road or potentially a bust.

Like I said previously when someone called it a major f*ck up on Weaver's part if Sharpe turns out to be better than whoever Weaver takes while passing on Sharpe...BS. Weaver just has to make a pick that improves the team; as I previously posted if Sharpe winds up being better Ivey or Murray but doesn't win a championship because the Pistons win it with Ivey or Murray plus whatever else moves Weaver makes, how is that a major f*ck up? The goal is to win a championship, not trumpet that you got the best player in any specific draft. If Weaver passes on Sharpe and he wins a championship before the Pistons do in large part due to his stardom, than yeah, call Weaver out for it. But win a championship and the rest doesn't matter.

[JerseyJungle]

Hey guys, with the "other" Pistons forum closed, this is my first post of substance here.

This is a very tough call. It would be an even tougher call if we picked fourth. I think the top 3 are tier one, and the next four or five are tier 2. But i wouldn't be surprised if some of tier 2 ended up better than tier 1.

If you asked me a couple weeks ago, I would have ranked them as: Sharpe, Ivey, Mathurin, Davis and Murray, With Agbaji on deck. But have been doing some research and the order has changed for me.

Sharpe has the biggest upside potential, the highest ceiling, but he is such a gamble. Unless Weaver knows this cat is a humble, hard working, God-fearing character home-run, I probably stay away, just because he is such an unknown. So he's gone down on my list.

Ivey is like Sharpe, but he has proven himself. An athletic freak, and with our top 3 not very athletic, we could use that trait.There's a chance he could become another Ja Morant, however, just as easily he could become another Diallo -- an eye-popping highlight once in awhile but not a person who controls the flow of the game. Also, I'm not sure he fits the culture, or fits well with Cade. His decision making has been questioned. He's also gone down on my list.

Murray seems to be the opposite of Ivey. Not the most athletic guy, but he produces. He does make good decisions with the ball, and even though he's not the athletic freak the previous two were, I doubt that he would get overwhelmed at the next level. The real issue with Murray is he seems redundant with Grant, and we might be almost forced to move Jerami. Its not that I'm against moving Jerami, but I want max value for him, and having Murray on the team probably gives us less leverage. I really am warming up to Murray's efficiency though, and could give this team an identity.

I like the toughness of Davis. I think he reeks Pistons. But i have not seen one expert put him in the conversation for the Pistons at 5. I'm sure they know more than I do, so he's really not even in consideration.

Which leaves Mathurin. Who is somewhere in the middle of all of the above. He will be a good defender, a good three point shooter. He's a good passer, and I believe a good character. He's pretty athletic and has a chance to develop more than Ivey or Murray. He's good at almost everything but elite at nothing. He is the safest pick IMHO.

Which leaves me with my ranking as of today: Mathurin, Murray, Sharpe, Ivey. I reserve the right to change tomorrow! Hope Weaver shows us why we should have faith in him!

[FloridaMan78]

I think we pick up a top 20 pick along with the 5th.

1.Chet
2.Jabari
3.Banchero
4.Ivey
5.Sharpe
6.Murray
7.Mathurin
8.Daniels
9.Duren
10.Sochan
11.Davis
12.Williams
13.Griffin
14.Eason
15.Ty Ty
16.Hardy
17.Agbaji
18.Jokic
19.Brown
20.Lidell

[flow]

Hey guys, with the "other" Pistons forum closed, this is my first post of substance here.

This is a very tough call. It would be an even tougher call if we picked fourth. I think the top 3 are tier one, and the next four or five are tier 2. But i wouldn't be surprised if some of tier 2 ended up better than tier 1.

If you asked me a couple weeks ago, I would have ranked them as: Sharpe, Ivey, Mathurin, Davis and Murray, With Agbaji on deck. But have been doing some research and the order has changed for me.

Sharpe has the biggest upside potential, the highest ceiling, but he is such a gamble. Unless Weaver knows this cat is a humble, hard working, God-fearing character home-run, I probably stay away, just because he is such an unknown. So he's gone down on my list.

Ivey is like Sharpe, but he has proven himself. An athletic freak, and with our top 3 not very athletic, we could use that trait.There's a chance he could become another Ja Morant, however, just as easily he could become another Diallo -- an eye-popping highlight once in awhile but not a person who controls the flow of the game. Also, I'm not sure he fits the culture, or fits well with Cade. His decision making has been questioned. He's also gone down on my list.

Murray seems to be the opposite of Ivey. Not the most athletic guy, but he produces. He does make good decisions with the ball, and even though he's not the athletic freak the previous two were, I doubt that he would get overwhelmed at the next level. The real issue with Murray is he seems redundant with Grant, and we might be almost forced to move Jerami. Its not that I'm against moving Jerami, but I want max value for him, and having Murray on the team probably gives us less leverage. I really am warming up to Murray's efficiency though, and could give this team an identity.

I like the toughness of Davis. I think he reeks Pistons. But i have not seen one expert put him in the conversation for the Pistons at 5. I'm sure they know more than I do, so he's really not even in consideration.

Which leaves Mathurin. Who is somewhere in the middle of all of the above. He will be a good defender, a good three point shooter. He's a good passer, and I believe a good character. He's pretty athletic and has a chance to develop more than Ivey or Murray. He's good at almost everything but elite at nothing. He is the safest pick IMHO.

Which leaves me with my ranking as of today: Mathurin, Murray, Sharpe, Ivey. I reserve the right to change tomorrow! Hope Weaver shows us why we should have faith in him!

Do you have a basis for your belief in his good character? It's not typically an overriding concern of mine. But Mathurin is the kid who copped a feel off the TCU cheerleader while leaving the court during the tournament. Not a 'high character' look.

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[mattao313]

Hey guys, with the "other" Pistons forum closed, this is my first post of substance here.

This is a very tough call. It would be an even tougher call if we picked fourth. I think the top 3 are tier one, and the next four or five are tier 2. But i wouldn't be surprised if some of tier 2 ended up better than tier 1.

If you asked me a couple weeks ago, I would have ranked them as: Sharpe, Ivey, Mathurin, Davis and Murray, With Agbaji on deck. But have been doing some research and the order has changed for me.

Sharpe has the biggest upside potential, the highest ceiling, but he is such a gamble. Unless Weaver knows this cat is a humble, hard working, God-fearing character home-run, I probably stay away, just because he is such an unknown. So he's gone down on my list.

Ivey is like Sharpe, but he has proven himself. An athletic freak, and with our top 3 not very athletic, we could use that trait.There's a chance he could become another Ja Morant, however, just as easily he could become another Diallo -- an eye-popping highlight once in awhile but not a person who controls the flow of the game. Also, I'm not sure he fits the culture, or fits well with Cade. His decision making has been questioned. He's also gone down on my list.

Murray seems to be the opposite of Ivey. Not the most athletic guy, but he produces. He does make good decisions with the ball, and even though he's not the athletic freak the previous two were, I doubt that he would get overwhelmed at the next level. The real issue with Murray is he seems redundant with Grant, and we might be almost forced to move Jerami. Its not that I'm against moving Jerami, but I want max value for him, and having Murray on the team probably gives us less leverage. I really am warming up to Murray's efficiency though, and could give this team an identity.

I like the toughness of Davis. I think he reeks Pistons. But i have not seen one expert put him in the conversation for the Pistons at 5. I'm sure they know more than I do, so he's really not even in consideration.

Which leaves Mathurin. Who is somewhere in the middle of all of the above. He will be a good defender, a good three point shooter. He's a good passer, and I believe a good character. He's pretty athletic and has a chance to develop more than Ivey or Murray. He's good at almost everything but elite at nothing. He is the safest pick IMHO.

Which leaves me with my ranking as of today: Mathurin, Murray, Sharpe, Ivey. I reserve the right to change tomorrow! Hope Weaver shows us why we should have faith in him!

Do you have a basis for your belief in his good character? It's not typically an overriding concern of mine. But Mathurin is the kid who copped a feel off the TCU cheerleader while leaving the court during the tournament. Not a 'high character' look.

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Lmao I'm guessing this is a joke.

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[flow]

Hey guys, with the "other" Pistons forum closed, this is my first post of substance here.

This is a very tough call. It would be an even tougher call if we picked fourth. I think the top 3 are tier one, and the next four or five are tier 2. But i wouldn't be surprised if some of tier 2 ended up better than tier 1.

If you asked me a couple weeks ago, I would have ranked them as: Sharpe, Ivey, Mathurin, Davis and Murray, With Agbaji on deck. But have been doing some research and the order has changed for me.

Sharpe has the biggest upside potential, the highest ceiling, but he is such a gamble. Unless Weaver knows this cat is a humble, hard working, God-fearing character home-run, I probably stay away, just because he is such an unknown. So he's gone down on my list.

Ivey is like Sharpe, but he has proven himself. An athletic freak, and with our top 3 not very athletic, we could use that trait.There's a chance he could become another Ja Morant, however, just as easily he could become another Diallo -- an eye-popping highlight once in awhile but not a person who controls the flow of the game. Also, I'm not sure he fits the culture, or fits well with Cade. His decision making has been questioned. He's also gone down on my list.

Murray seems to be the opposite of Ivey. Not the most athletic guy, but he produces. He does make good decisions with the ball, and even though he's not the athletic freak the previous two were, I doubt that he would get overwhelmed at the next level. The real issue with Murray is he seems redundant with Grant, and we might be almost forced to move Jerami. Its not that I'm against moving Jerami, but I want max value for him, and having Murray on the team probably gives us less leverage. I really am warming up to Murray's efficiency though, and could give this team an identity.

I like the toughness of Davis. I think he reeks Pistons. But i have not seen one expert put him in the conversation for the Pistons at 5. I'm sure they know more than I do, so he's really not even in consideration.

Which leaves Mathurin. Who is somewhere in the middle of all of the above. He will be a good defender, a good three point shooter. He's a good passer, and I believe a good character. He's pretty athletic and has a chance to develop more than Ivey or Murray. He's good at almost everything but elite at nothing. He is the safest pick IMHO.

Which leaves me with my ranking as of today: Mathurin, Murray, Sharpe, Ivey. I reserve the right to change tomorrow! Hope Weaver shows us why we should have faith in him!

Do you have a basis for your belief in his good character? It's not typically an overriding concern of mine. But Mathurin is the kid who copped a feel off the TCU cheerleader while leaving the court during the tournament. Not a 'high character' look.

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Lmao I'm guessing this is a joke.

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What part?

[Manocad]

Hey guys, with the "other" Pistons forum closed, this is my first post of substance here.

This is a very tough call. It would be an even tougher call if we picked fourth. I think the top 3 are tier one, and the next four or five are tier 2. But i wouldn't be surprised if some of tier 2 ended up better than tier 1.

If you asked me a couple weeks ago, I would have ranked them as: Sharpe, Ivey, Mathurin, Davis and Murray, With Agbaji on deck. But have been doing some research and the order has changed for me.

Sharpe has the biggest upside potential, the highest ceiling, but he is such a gamble. Unless Weaver knows this cat is a humble, hard working, God-fearing character home-run, I probably stay away, just because he is such an unknown. So he's gone down on my list.

Ivey is like Sharpe, but he has proven himself. An athletic freak, and with our top 3 not very athletic, we could use that trait.There's a chance he could become another Ja Morant, however, just as easily he could become another Diallo -- an eye-popping highlight once in awhile but not a person who controls the flow of the game. Also, I'm not sure he fits the culture, or fits well with Cade. His decision making has been questioned. He's also gone down on my list.

Murray seems to be the opposite of Ivey. Not the most athletic guy, but he produces. He does make good decisions with the ball, and even though he's not the athletic freak the previous two were, I doubt that he would get overwhelmed at the next level. The real issue with Murray is he seems redundant with Grant, and we might be almost forced to move Jerami. Its not that I'm against moving Jerami, but I want max value for him, and having Murray on the team probably gives us less leverage. I really am warming up to Murray's efficiency though, and could give this team an identity.

I like the toughness of Davis. I think he reeks Pistons. But i have not seen one expert put him in the conversation for the Pistons at 5. I'm sure they know more than I do, so he's really not even in consideration.

Which leaves Mathurin. Who is somewhere in the middle of all of the above. He will be a good defender, a good three point shooter. He's a good passer, and I believe a good character. He's pretty athletic and has a chance to develop more than Ivey or Murray. He's good at almost everything but elite at nothing. He is the safest pick IMHO.

Which leaves me with my ranking as of today: Mathurin, Murray, Sharpe, Ivey. I reserve the right to change tomorrow! Hope Weaver shows us why we should have faith in him!

Do you have a basis for your belief in his good character? It's not typically an overriding concern of mine. But Mathurin is the kid who copped a feel off the TCU cheerleader while leaving the court during the tournament. Not a 'high character' look.

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That's what you call "copping a feel"?

[Manocad]

Do you have a basis for your belief in his good character? It's not typically an overriding concern of mine. But Mathurin is the kid who copped a feel off the TCU cheerleader while leaving the court during the tournament. Not a 'high character' look.

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Lmao I'm guessing this is a joke.

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What part?

Your definition of "copping a feel," I'm guessing.

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Lmao I'm guessing this is a joke.

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What part?

Your definition of "copping a feel," I'm guessing.

May as well be. You don't touch someone's breast by accident.

[Manocad]

Sharpe has the biggest upside potential, the highest ceiling, but he is such a gamble. Unless Weaver knows this cat is a humble, hard working, God-fearing character home-run, I probably stay away, just because he is such an unknown. So he's gone down on my list.

I personally don't agree that he's done anything to demonstrate that he has the highest ceiling. He can jump really high and has a good jab step/step back jumper. Other than that he's pretty much a highlight reel of dunks against guys playing bullfighter defense, i.e. clearly getting out of his way and giving him an open lane. There is literally zero evidence of him doing anything in a game against anyone other than high school kids. That's not to say that he's not worth someone taking the risk because he clearly has some talent, but all that has to happen is for him to hit the NBA and go Saddiq Bey with his jumper at 40% and he becomes a better version of Diallo. I just don't think now is the right time for the Pistons to take that risk and I don't equate best athleticism with highest ceiling considering his body of work.

For example, consider Jalen Green's NBA stats vs G-league. Would anyone argue right now, at this very moment, that Jalen Green has a higher ceiling than Cade? Because they sure as hell did before the draft. And why? Crazy athleticism that Cade didn't have. But 30PPG on 55%/30% in the G-league turned into 17.3 PPG on 42.6%/34.3% in the NBA. If those percentages continue what does that make him? A nice role player, probably the #3 guy on a high level team. Not exactly a terribly high ceiling since that's the same description Bey gets and he's generally described as having below average athleticism. Could I see Sharpe falling into the same mold as Green? Absolutely.

[Manocad]

What part?

Your definition of "copping a feel," I'm guessing.

May as well be. You don't touch someone's breast by accident.

That's actually exactly what it looked like. He had both arms outstretched, looking up at the crowd, his finger tips barely brushed the center of her chest--by the way, if you're not intimately familiar with the female anatomy there's no breast in the center of a woman's chest (except for that lady in Total Recall)--and he immediately pulled his hand back. There was no palm plant, lingering touch, squeeze, etc.

If you don't like the guy's game and think he's too much of a stretch pick, just say so. Ain't nobody gonna be mad at ya. But calling that incident an example of questionable character is hyperbole to the max.

[flow]

Your definition of "copping a feel," I'm guessing.

May as well be. You don't touch someone's breast by accident.

That's actually exactly what it looked like. He had both arms outstretched, looking up at the crowd, his finger tips barely brushed the center of her chest--by the way, if you're not intimately familiar with the female anatomy there's no breast in the center of a woman's chest (except for that lady in Total Recall)--and he immediately pulled his hand back. There was no palm plant, lingering touch, squeeze, etc.

If you don't like the guy's game and think he's too much of a stretch pick, just say so. Ain't nobody gonna be mad at ya. But calling that incident an example of questionable character is hyperbole to the max.

I have no opinion of his game. I haven't studied it. And while 'copping a feel' may be a technical exaggeration, you'd have to be a fool to believe that that touching was inadvertent. The depth and duration of the touching matters not within the context of a character discussion. Thanks for the anatomy class, but I'm quite familiar with the subject. If the actual contact ended up being just next to the breast, in the center of her chest, then I'll say chest instead. But its irrelavent. The hand certainly wasn't above or below the area. Nor did he stop, or even turn his head to apologise.

[mattyj]

What's y'all thoughts on Ousmane Dieng? I wouldn't touch him at 5 but if we got a 2nd pick he's kinda interesting. 6'10 with some budding ball skills and good looking jumper.

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I wouldn't waste a first round pick on him

Watched every one of his games and I'm not a fan

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[Manocad]

May as well be. You don't touch someone's breast by accident.

That's actually exactly what it looked like. He had both arms outstretched, looking up at the crowd, his finger tips barely brushed the center of her chest--by the way, if you're not intimately familiar with the female anatomy there's no breast in the center of a woman's chest (except for that lady in Total Recall)--and he immediately pulled his hand back. There was no palm plant, lingering touch, squeeze, etc.

If you don't like the guy's game and think he's too much of a stretch pick, just say so. Ain't nobody gonna be mad at ya. But calling that incident an example of questionable character is hyperbole to the max.

I have no opinion of his game. I haven't studied it. And while 'copping a feel' may be a technical exaggeration, you'd have to be a fool to believe that that touching was inadvertent. The depth and duration of the touching matters not within the context of a character discussion. Thanks for the anatomy class, but I'm quite familiar with the subject. If the actual contact ended up being just next to the breast, in the center of her chest, then I'll say chest instead. But its irrelavent. The hand certainly wasn't above or below the area. Nor did he stop, or even turn his head to apologise.

Your whole point hinges on the assumption that it was intentional and that’s open for serious debate. Maybe you’re not an innocent until proven guilty guy. Did she file a complaint?

[flow]

That's actually exactly what it looked like. He had both arms outstretched, looking up at the crowd, his finger tips barely brushed the center of her chest--by the way, if you're not intimately familiar with the female anatomy there's no breast in the center of a woman's chest (except for that lady in Total Recall)--and he immediately pulled his hand back. There was no palm plant, lingering touch, squeeze, etc.

If you don't like the guy's game and think he's too much of a stretch pick, just say so. Ain't nobody gonna be mad at ya. But calling that incident an example of questionable character is hyperbole to the max.

I have no opinion of his game. I haven't studied it. And while 'copping a feel' may be a technical exaggeration, you'd have to be a fool to believe that that touching was inadvertent. The depth and duration of the touching matters not within the context of a character discussion. Thanks for the anatomy class, but I'm quite familiar with the subject. If the actual contact ended up being just next to the breast, in the center of her chest, then I'll say chest instead. But its irrelavent. The hand certainly wasn't above or below the area. Nor did he stop, or even turn his head to apologise.

Your whole point hinges on the assumption that it was intentional and that’s open for serious debate. Maybe you’re not an innocent until proven guilty guy. Did she file a complaint?

No, the university nipped it in the bud. And I'm not turning this into a criminal prosecution. The incident brings his character into question. Which is why I asked dude if there's bases for his belief of good character. I'm curious to know.

[bstein14]

Being super athletic and raw/young usually means you have a higher ceiling than unathletic older players. That said, for every young athletic Kobe or KG their are plenty of other guys that didn't have to drive to be great. A lot of it comes down to the mental tests they do on players today to see where their mind really is, and even that is hard because they have agents training them on the type of questions they will get and how to best answer them.

I actually think Duren might have the highest upside in the entire draft but the odds are pretty overwhelming that he won't be the best player based on what we know. In 2012 some analysts mentioned Drummond to be the 2nd highest upside guy in the draft after Anthony Davis, but that didn't mean that he was ever going to reach that upside or that he had the mental aspect and drive for the game that some other guys in that draft had.

Drummond falling to Detroit was the dream scenario for Motor City basketball fans. Drummond has a downright freakish combination of athleticism and size, and pairing him with a terrific passing big like Greg Monroe can only help his development. There’s an argument to be made that Drummond has an even higher ceiling than Anthony Davis. The question with Drummond is his work ethic and motor, but if he starts giving his all, there are going to be lots of GMs answering questions about why they passed on him. – Seth Sommerfeld

And in the same draft Draymond Green....

Draymond Green is somewhat of an enigma entering the NBA. At 6'6'' 235 pounds, Green doesn't really fit into any position on the court. He's not athletic enough to be a small forward, and he's a bit undersized to bang in the paint as a power forward. Green has a lot to work on coming into the NBA, but he also has a lot to offer. Green will bring immediate production to the court on the glass, and he'll also be able to bring some scoring off the bench with his deep range and smooth stroke. On the defensive side of the ball though, Green will be somewhat of a liability, especially at the small forward position. Green lacks the athleticism and lateral agility it takes to defend NBA talent on the perimeter, and that will keep him from being as productive as he possibly could during his rookie year.

[buzzkilloton]

Updated today. I could dig Ivey falling to us for sure.

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[Manocad]

I have no opinion of his game. I haven't studied it. And while 'copping a feel' may be a technical exaggeration, you'd have to be a fool to believe that that touching was inadvertent. The depth and duration of the touching matters not within the context of a character discussion. Thanks for the anatomy class, but I'm quite familiar with the subject. If the actual contact ended up being just next to the breast, in the center of her chest, then I'll say chest instead. But its irrelavent. The hand certainly wasn't above or below the area. Nor did he stop, or even turn his head to apologise.

Your whole point hinges on the assumption that it was intentional and that’s open for serious debate. Maybe you’re not an innocent until proven guilty guy. Did she file a complaint?

No, the university nipped it in the bud. And I'm not turning this into a criminal prosecution. The incident brings his character into question. Which is why I asked dude if there's bases for his belief of good character. I'm curious to know.

Nope. Once the video started circulating with people hollering about it--not the dancer, mind you--Mathurin said he sent an email to the TCU athletic department attempting to reach the dancer to apologize. And no one responded.

Don't make stuff up, bro.

[Manocad]

Being super athletic and raw/young usually means you have a higher ceiling than unathletic older players.

Without a data set to support that assertion it's nothing more than an opinion. Please provide the supporting data.

[The Moose]

Assuming Ivey is gone, my order for now is:

Tier 1
Dyson
Duren
- offensive connectors with elite d

Tier 2
Murray
Eason
- 6’7-6’8 potential 2 way forwards/role players

Tier 3
Sochan
Mathurin
- one dimensional role players

Sharpe in there somewhere idk, extremely difficult to place him

tiers are basically ordered by what I place the most importance on for team building and what I think is most valuable in the nba today

(subject to change again before the draft lol)