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Post#301 » by Pharaoh » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:11 am

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A lot of people on here rationalize these deals as outsiders pointing to the market as the cause which is a legitimate reason. But, like I've mentioned in other threads, as professionals at their craft seeing somebody get paid equal to you that is not equal to you on the floor pisses these guys off. The idea that Reggie Jackson is making the same as a guy like Wall, and got more than Rondo, Monta Ellis, etc is truly disturbing to them. Kyle Lowry and Derozan are all-star caliber players yet Demarre Carroll comes to town making more than them. The media and air of political correctness in society keeps the players from going wild, but Wall has a very legitimate point and I agree with him 100%.

All the analytics, strategy, schemes, character judgments, and age aside the players know who can ball. The guys that are playmakers legitimately laugh at these 3&D guys and Reggie Jackson type players getting paid and then it gets offensive. RJ is gonna have a target on his back as "Mr. 80 Million Dollars" now, because he definitely hasn't earned 80 million in respect from the players. I think it's very likely he chokes and folds under that pressure too because he's not a baller like that. He's a SVG scheme stats player and he's kinda soft honestly. Jennings & Dinwiddie probably don't even respect Reggie as a human being or player, and are secretly going to enjoy every second of him crumbling with real ballers behind him and real expectations on him for the 1st time in his career. I feel you Brandon. I feel you Spencer. I feel you J-Wall. RJ is the scrub overpaid and overrated player you think he is. #ventover


What a sad sad warped view on everything... :lol:


I'm rooting for Reggie but from a player perspective you have to understand how Wall feels. Calling out Reggie by name implies that Wall doesn't respect him, and is the most politically correct way to say everything I hypothetically vented. Warped view? :-? He probably says Reggie Jackson's name like Stephen A. Smith says Rasho Nesterovic's. :lol: You think Reggie can take it to Wall? Wall just used his name as the punchline of overpaid players that can't ball. SUCH disrespect. What you think Reggie is going to do about it? He's not gonna get that light regular season "we're only playing the Pistons" defense any more. You betting on Reggie?

In analytics and strategy circles you can find stats that put them in a similar category but the players know which matchups put fear into them, and who they lose zero sleep over. You think these NBA players aren't borderline ignorantly competitive behind closed doors? They will be gunning for Reggie's neck. Be as high on Reggie and SVG as you want I'm optimistic too, just realistic enough to know that no STARTING CALIBER PG loses sleep over or respects Reggie Jackson vs them. Not one. Beno Udrih doesn't count.


I agree - to a point.

Players know who is who and how to disarm them - that's the job! They also tend to pick & choose which match ups to hype up more than "normal" for their own personal reasons - finding motivation every game for 82 games can be difficult unless you trick yourself.

Regardless of how anyone here thinks of RJ he's got a target on him now that he's signed his big contract - again that comes with the job.

Methinks Wall is a little annoyed his contract came at the wrong time, a little annoyed RJ got PAID, a little annoyed his team is a treadmill team and so on.

Regarding the bolded part: we know SJ is built that way! Here's hoping that rubs off on the rest of them and they take comments like these personally
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Post#302 » by Pharaoh » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:13 am

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dVs33 wrote:Guys, enough with the personal stuff.
i'm gonna have to lock this if you guys can't stay on topic.


Just for the record...

You see how pro-RJ the consensus is with all the And1's, memes, and emoticons right?

If.... just if... things go wrong with Reggie (I really hope not), and the less-optimistic RJ opinions presented in this thread come to be more accurate... can we revisit a thread like this without a quick lock? I'm not an I told you so guy, but there is a certain level of group dismissal of the other perspective that is unhealthy for the board a bit. We've got good posters like princeofpalace and thesack12 getting ganged up on for even bringing up potential negative points :lol:

I don't mind, but I'm just saying. Reading through this thread is REALLY interesting. Reggie, Drummond, SVG, and now Stanley really bring out the passion of our Pistons fans. I love it. Kinda :wink:


FWIW: I'm pro-Pharaoh lol

I believe I'm measured enough with every post to avoid the great divide between the homers and the haters.

After so many years I've probably got tired of beingon both sides and now keep my expectations in check
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Re: Reggie Jackson Resigns 5/80 

Post#303 » by tmorgan » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:07 pm

Does anyone with a minority opinion get to claim they're being persecuted? Among Pistons fans, the naysayers are currently in the minority. They might be right, of course -- recent history suggests getting too optimistic is a mistake.

Being in the majority doesn't make you right, but being in the minority doesn't make the argument unfair, either. Don't confuse optimism with groupthink just because you're not optimistic. Most of us have clearly articulated reasons why we're bullish on the season.
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Re: Reggie Jackson Resigns 5/80 

Post#304 » by 313 Professor » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:09 pm

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dVs33 wrote:Guys, enough with the personal stuff.
i'm gonna have to lock this if you guys can't stay on topic.


Just for the record...

You see how pro-RJ the consensus is with all the And1's, memes, and emoticons right?

If.... just if... things go wrong with Reggie (I really hope not), and the less-optimistic RJ opinions presented in this thread come to be more accurate... can we revisit a thread like this without a quick lock? I'm not an I told you so guy, but there is a certain level of group dismissal of the other perspective that is unhealthy for the board a bit. We've got good posters like princeofpalace and thesack12 getting ganged up on for even bringing up potential negative points :lol:

I don't mind, but I'm just saying. Reading through this thread is REALLY interesting. Reggie, Drummond, SVG, and now Stanley really bring out the passion of our Pistons fans. I love it. Kinda :wink:


I definitely see there's a divide in fans. A lot of posters are very pro reggie and get very defensive when anyone says anything about him. I am one of the not-sold-on-reggie-just-yet people myself.

I love the enthusiasm around here. It's great that the team is going in what seems to be a very positive direction.

Difference of opinion is what makes a forum interesting. Ganging up on posters for having a differing opinion does not make for interesting discussions though.
Neither side of the argument are right, at least not yet, but we need to at least see understand the opposing view.


That's a big positive I take too. We have some believers on here. I'm excited!

RealGM consists of like my 5th-6th string Pistons fan peers. Thing is, with my real peers we get to talk a lot of innocent trash! I don't mind being in the minority BUT, getting rhetorically jumped for being in the minority makes it necessary that when they end up being more realistic, they need to be able to serve crow! That's human nature. All in fun!

I'll never trade personal insults online because it's not worth it, but if it's gonna be TEAMS on opinions, we gotta start serving W's and L's on here then! One of my friends is a Harden guy, and another a Westbrook guy. EVERY time we talk ball they take that L with Westbrook missing the playoffs, and that Harden 12 TO elimination game, and they fire back with my miscellaneous life L's. I adhere to the norm for the most part and post maturely and politically correct on here, but some of these quotes need to be saved and after this season people are gonna need to step up to the podium and explain their behavior! :lol: You can't have aggressive opinions, be wrong, then quietly walk to the back of the room... NAWWW.... BRING THAT *** HERE BOIIII!! *DC Young Fly voice* Don't be sensitive NOW you being held accountable! :D

I wonder what would happen Reggie Jackson vs. John Wall 1-on-1... :o
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Post#305 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:09 pm

Svg has made a ton of moves and has made alot of our posters have to consistently eat crow. Including me . I really don't feel sorry for them as its part of the game. Pulling the "I'm being bullied card" is the easy way out. Our mods are great at their jobs.

There is a divide on this board regarding so many issues but the problem isn't the topic but the poorly thought out arguments. Calling rj average is not really a debate. If you have a legit point, whether your minority or majority our board tends to back legit points.




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Post#306 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:11 pm

313 Professor wrote:
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Just for the record...

You see how pro-RJ the consensus is with all the And1's, memes, and emoticons right?

If.... just if... things go wrong with Reggie (I really hope not), and the less-optimistic RJ opinions presented in this thread come to be more accurate... can we revisit a thread like this without a quick lock? I'm not an I told you so guy, but there is a certain level of group dismissal of the other perspective that is unhealthy for the board a bit. We've got good posters like princeofpalace and thesack12 getting ganged up on for even bringing up potential negative points :lol:

I don't mind, but I'm just saying. Reading through this thread is REALLY interesting. Reggie, Drummond, SVG, and now Stanley really bring out the passion of our Pistons fans. I love it. Kinda :wink:


I definitely see there's a divide in fans. A lot of posters are very pro reggie and get very defensive when anyone says anything about him. I am one of the not-sold-on-reggie-just-yet people myself.

I love the enthusiasm around here. It's great that the team is going in what seems to be a very positive direction.

Difference of opinion is what makes a forum interesting. Ganging up on posters for having a differing opinion does not make for interesting discussions though.
Neither side of the argument are right, at least not yet, but we need to at least see understand the opposing view.


That's a big positive I take too. We have some believers on here. I'm excited!

RealGM consists of like my 5th-6th string Pistons fan peers. Thing is, with my real peers we get to talk a lot of innocent trash! I don't mind being in the minority BUT, getting rhetorically jumped for being in the minority makes it necessary that when they end up being more realistic, they need to be able to serve crow! That's human nature. All in fun!

I'll never trade personal insults online because it's not worth it, but if it's gonna be TEAMS on opinions, we gotta start serving W's and L's on here then! One of my friends is a Harden guy, and another a Westbrook guy. EVERY time we talk ball they take that L with Westbrook missing the playoffs, and that Harden 12 TO elimination game, and they fire back with my miscellaneous life L's. I adhere to the norm for the most part and post maturely and politically correct on here, but some of these quotes need to be saved and after this season people are gonna need to step up to the podium and explain their behavior! :lol: You can't have aggressive opinions, be wrong, then quietly walk to the back of the room... NAWWW.... BRING THAT *** HERE BOIIII!! *DC Young Fly voice* Don't be sensitive NOW you being held accountable! :D

I wonder what would happen Reggie Jackson vs. John Wall 1-on-1... :o
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Post#307 » by 313 Professor » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:19 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:Svg has made a ton of moves and has made alot of our posters have to consistently eat crow. Including me . I really don't feel sorry for them as its part of the game. Pulling the "I'm being bullied card" is the easy way out. Our mods are great at their jobs.

There is a divide on this board regarding so many issues but the problem isn't the topic but the poorly thought out arguments. Calling rj average is not really a debate. If you have a legit point, whether your minority or majority our board tends to back legit points.




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What is average? People always act like average is equal to being good, but average is 15th. Above average is 15 & higher. Reggie is DEFINITELY below average as a primary ball-handler. Steph, Paul, Kyrie, Conley, Lillard, Lowry, Parker, Williams, Teague, Westbrook, Rose, Bledsoe, Dragic, Wall, Rondo, Jennings :D & Holiday are all CLEARLY better than RJ and the rest of the PG's aren't true primary handlers.

EDIT: There are few debatable's too like Kemba, George Hill, etc, but I wonder what a lot of these guys would do in SVG's system. It inflates the stats obviously because every PG that played after Josh got cut put up good numbers. All shooters and Dre... The only argument for RJ to be even close to above average is purely statistical, and DAMN SURE not an eye-test thing.
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Post#308 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:27 pm

313 Professor wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:Svg has made a ton of moves and has made alot of our posters have to consistently eat crow. Including me . I really don't feel sorry for them as its part of the game. Pulling the "I'm being bullied card" is the easy way out. Our mods are great at their jobs.

There is a divide on this board regarding so many issues but the problem isn't the topic but the poorly thought out arguments. Calling rj average is not really a debate. If you have a legit point, whether your minority or majority our board tends to back legit points.




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What is average? People always act like average is equal to being good, but average is 15th. Above average is 15 & higher. Reggie is DEFINITELY below average as a primary ball-handler. Steph, Paul, Kyrie, Conley, Lillard, Lowry, Parker, Williams, Teague, Westbrook, Rose, Bledsoe, Dragic, Wall, Rondo, Jennings :D & Holiday are all CLEARLY better than RJ and the rest of the PG's aren't true primary handlers.
since when was that considered average and the only determining factor? It's comments like these that are frustrating


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Post#309 » by 313 Professor » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:41 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:
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Blkbrd671 wrote:Svg has made a ton of moves and has made alot of our posters have to consistently eat crow. Including me . I really don't feel sorry for them as its part of the game. Pulling the "I'm being bullied card" is the easy way out. Our mods are great at their jobs.

There is a divide on this board regarding so many issues but the problem isn't the topic but the poorly thought out arguments. Calling rj average is not really a debate. If you have a legit point, whether your minority or majority our board tends to back legit points.




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What is average? People always act like average is equal to being good, but average is 15th. Above average is 15 & higher. Reggie is DEFINITELY below average as a primary ball-handler. Steph, Paul, Kyrie, Conley, Lillard, Lowry, Parker, Williams, Teague, Westbrook, Rose, Bledsoe, Dragic, Wall, Rondo, Jennings :D & Holiday are all CLEARLY better than RJ and the rest of the PG's aren't true primary handlers.
since when was that considered average and the only determining factor? It's comments like these that are frustrating


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:-? Since the beginning of time?

Please tell me your alternate definition of average. I can't wait to read what you come up with.
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Post#310 » by princeofpalace » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:12 pm

Tier 1: Curry, Paul, Westbrook
Tier 2: Irving, Wall
Tier 3: Conley, Lowry, Teague, Lillard, Dragic
Tier 4: Holiday, Bledsoe, Rubio, Lawson, Rondo, Parker
Tier 5: Rose (moves up to Tier 2 if he gets healthy), Hill, Knight, Jackson, Jennings, Collison
Tier 6: MCW, Payton, Clarkson,
Tier 7: Walker, , Williams, Smart, Calderon, Canaan

RJ is not amongst the top 15 PGs in the league, which is why Jackson is an average starting PG and an average player.
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Post#311 » by Pistone » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:37 pm

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Post#312 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:35 pm

Bookmarked this page for the crow party later......


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Post#313 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:48 pm

313 Professor wrote:
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What is average? People always act like average is equal to being good, but average is 15th. Above average is 15 & higher. Reggie is DEFINITELY below average as a primary ball-handler. Steph, Paul, Kyrie, Conley, Lillard, Lowry, Parker, Williams, Teague, Westbrook, Rose, Bledsoe, Dragic, Wall, Rondo, Jennings :D & Holiday are all CLEARLY better than RJ and the rest of the PG's aren't true primary handlers.
since when was that considered average and the only determining factor? It's comments like these that are frustrating


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:-? Since the beginning of time?

Please tell me your alternate definition of average. I can't wait to read what you come up with.


Well then we need to get into how you rank your pgs and why this pg is better than the others and quite frankly I've already had this debate when we traded for rj. He made posters eat crow then , and Svg agrees with the signing .

Funny part is that based on your system all Jackson needs to do is wait for other pgs to get injured to move up to above average cuz he's in the top 14. Which i can't take seriously.




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Post#314 » by vic » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:12 pm

Crazy didn't Wall get beat by Spencer Dinwiddie what's he talking mess for?

I honestly think RJ will destroy him. Wall is super fast and he gets lots of assist, but by no means is he any kind of defensive stopper or score at will pg.
You need 2-way wings, 2-way shooting bigs, and you can't allow low iq players on the court. Assist/turnover ratio is crucial. Shooting point guards are icing on the cake IF they are plus defenders.
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Post#315 » by vic » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:16 pm

You need 2-way wings, 2-way shooting bigs, and you can't allow low iq players on the court. Assist/turnover ratio is crucial. Shooting point guards are icing on the cake IF they are plus defenders.
Weaver & Casey, govern yourselves accordingly!
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Post#316 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:20 pm

vic wrote:Crazy didn't Wall get beat by Spencer Dinwiddie what's he talking mess for?

I honestly think RJ will destroy him. Wall is super fast and he gets lots of assist, but by no means is he any kind of defensive stopper or score at will pg.


Wall is clearly on a different level of pure athleticism than most players. Having said that, as he gets older, he's going to have to be a lot more skilled as he won't always be the quickest.


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Post#317 » by ComboGuardCity » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:27 pm

Everyone is titled to their opinion. Some people think RJ is a top 10 PG while others think Rubio and Rondo are top PGs.


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Post#318 » by hoophabit » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:35 pm

Spider156 wrote:It's actually really interesting to me. I've been reading this forum almost every day even when there's nothing happening. There's a lot of new posters and although some are good I don't believe they give the respect that some posters like princeofpalace deserve. She's a fantastic poster and is realistic when it comes to this team. Loves it too much. However, she also likes her ignore list and like to add people on it really quickly. I myself don't have a person on the foe list. Even the guy who has me in his signature betting to make the Playoffs. That poster is really pessimistic but I'm not about to block him. It's not necessary. Sometimes they make good points but most of the time I just want to argue a lung out.


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Post#319 » by Scout Taron » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:40 pm

princeofpalace wrote:Tier 1: Curry, Paul, Westbrook
Tier 2: Irving, Wall
Tier 3: Conley, Lowry, Teague, Lillard, Dragic
Tier 4: Holiday, Bledsoe, Rubio, Lawson, Rondo, Parker
Tier 5: Rose (moves up to Tier 2 if he gets healthy), Hill, Knight, Jackson, Jennings, Collison
Tier 6: MCW, Payton, Clarkson,
Tier 7: Walker, , Williams, Smart, Calderon, Canaan

RJ is not amongst the top 15 PGs in the league, which is why Jackson is an average starting PG and an average player.

If RJ gets close to matching his numbers last year with the Pistons, he'll easily be better than most of if not all of those guys you have as tier 4. And I could see him being better than a few of the tier 3 guys.

All depends. The Reggie Jackson argument isn't particularly interesting because there's nothing really we can say besides "I think it's a fluke", or "I think it's not." The production and eye test were both there, just depends on whether it's real. Pistons had no choice but to bet on it being real, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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Post#320 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:54 pm

Scout Taron wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:Tier 1: Curry, Paul, Westbrook
Tier 2: Irving, Wall
Tier 3: Conley, Lowry, Teague, Lillard, Dragic
Tier 4: Holiday, Bledsoe, Rubio, Lawson, Rondo, Parker
Tier 5: Rose (moves up to Tier 2 if he gets healthy), Hill, Knight, Jackson, Jennings, Collison
Tier 6: MCW, Payton, Clarkson,
Tier 7: Walker, , Williams, Smart, Calderon, Canaan

RJ is not amongst the top 15 PGs in the league, which is why Jackson is an average starting PG and an average player.

If RJ gets close to matching his numbers last year with the Pistons, he'll easily be better than most of if not all of those guys you have as tier 4. And I could see him being better than a few of the tier 3 guys.

All depends. The Reggie Jackson argument isn't particularly interesting because there's nothing really we can say besides "I think it's a fluke", or "I think it's not." The production and eye test were both there, just depends on whether it's real. Pistons had no choice but to bet on it being real, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.


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