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I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired.

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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#301 » by Canadafan » Wed Feb 7, 2024 12:42 pm

DetroitSho wrote:I still can't get over the fact we took Joe Harris to sit on the bench for $20 million minutes before free agency opened. Honestly if you were wanting to "punt the capspace" until this off-season I feel like you fully deserve the season this team is having right now. This is exactly what "punt the capspace" looks like.

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That might have been my lowest moment as a Pistons fan. And that's saying alot.
Well, there was another time....but we won't talk about that draft pick that one time....in 2003....we don't need to revisit that little situation
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#302 » by bstein14 » Wed Feb 7, 2024 3:00 pm

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DetroitSho wrote:I still can't get over the fact we took Joe Harris to sit on the bench for $20 million minutes before free agency opened. Honestly if you were wanting to "punt the capspace" until this off-season I feel like you fully deserve the season this team is having right now. This is exactly what "punt the capspace" looks like.

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That might have been my lowest moment as a Pistons fan. And that's saying alot.
Well, there was another time....but we won't talk about that draft pick that one time....in 2003....we don't need to revisit that little situation


It was tough for sure, in part because we heard from Bojan that Weaver told him we have money and we're going to spend it to get better.... and then instead of ponying up the cash for someone like Grant, Cam, or Herb we end up just giving away all our cap space to 1 second rounder, Harris and Monte Morris.

The Pelicans literally could not have offered Herb Jones a 4 year $100 million contract and they couldn't have matched that deal either (unless they traded a bunch of guys to get under the cap) so Herb literally could have been a great steal of a pickup for us yet we didn't even have the chance to make an offer like that because Weaver killed our flexability before it even began. Just a total punch in the gut for sure.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#303 » by theBigLip » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:05 pm

If Weaver is on the hot seat, he’s certainly going down swinging :lol: How many trades so far? I lost count. And Hayes should be nervous.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#304 » by A_dub06 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:15 pm

How does gores not see or get told from at Weavers ineptitude. We are a laughing stock, Weaver is the clown making them laugh
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#305 » by vege » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:37 pm

A_dub06 wrote:How does gores not see or get told from at Weavers ineptitude. We are a laughing stock, Weaver is the clown making them laugh


A lot of our fans don't understand how this guy is Destroying our franchise.

Our owner is clueless, I doubt he understand anything that's going on.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#306 » by theBigLip » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:44 pm

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A_dub06 wrote:How does gores not see or get told from at Weavers ineptitude. We are a laughing stock, Weaver is the clown making them laugh


A lot of our fans don't understand how this guy is Destroying our franchise.

Our owner is clueless, I doubt he understand anything that's going on.


Big difference of opinion. Like it or not, we are still rebuilding. Keep accumulating young core and keep flexible with the cap. We tried the “rebuild on the fly” w Blake. That doesn’t really work.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#307 » by vege » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:46 pm

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A_dub06 wrote:How does gores not see or get told from at Weavers ineptitude. We are a laughing stock, Weaver is the clown making them laugh


A lot of our fans don't understand how this guy is Destroying our franchise.

Our owner is clueless, I doubt he understand anything that's going on.


Big difference of opinion. Like it or not, we are still rebuilding. Keep accumulating young core and keep flexible with the cap. We tried the “rebuild on the fly” w Blake. That doesn’t really work.


So when you rebuild you throw away assets left and right. Is that what you're telling me? Can you at least understand how poorly Weaver have been handling our limited assets?
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Post#308 » by bstein14 » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:48 pm

You have to wonder how Monty feels about these trades.... just a brutal season so much losing and young mistakes and he just talked about how crucial Burks' veteran presence was calming down the young guys last night after we blew that 15 point lead and now we are trading our two best offensive players and vets for a 23 year old kid who has struggled to get on the court this season in New York. 20MPG this season compared to 30MPG last season.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#309 » by vege » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:49 pm

I honestly don't think Monty gives a ****. He will continue to say it's his fault, he got to do better and will continue to cash in his pay checks.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#310 » by theBigLip » Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:58 pm

vege wrote:
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vege wrote:
A lot of our fans don't understand how this guy is Destroying our franchise.

Our owner is clueless, I doubt he understand anything that's going on.


Big difference of opinion. Like it or not, we are still rebuilding. Keep accumulating young core and keep flexible with the cap. We tried the “rebuild on the fly” w Blake. That doesn’t really work.


So when you rebuild you throw away assets left and right. Is that what you're telling me? Can you at least understand how poorly Weaver have been handling our limited assets?


Asset management includes our picks as well as players under contract. For picks, yes we could have more. But arguing about SRPs is like complaining about end of the bench players - they don’t move the needle.

As for the other aspect of asset management, the players contracts, we are in good shape. Stewart is the only long term money and that’s a reasonable contract. Rookie deals of course are fine. Hence we have great cap flexibility.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#311 » by vege » Thu Feb 8, 2024 7:01 pm

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vege wrote:
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Big difference of opinion. Like it or not, we are still rebuilding. Keep accumulating young core and keep flexible with the cap. We tried the “rebuild on the fly” w Blake. That doesn’t really work.


So when you rebuild you throw away assets left and right. Is that what you're telling me? Can you at least understand how poorly Weaver have been handling our limited assets?


Asset management includes our picks as well as players under contract. For picks, yes we could have more. But arguing about SRPs is like complaining about end of the bench players - they don’t move the needle.

As for the other aspect of asset management, the players contracts, we are in good shape. Stewart is the only long term money and that’s a reasonable contract. Rookie deals of course are fine. Hence we have great cap flexibility.


We owe a 1st, and #31 pick is not any 2nd.
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Post#312 » by whitehops » Fri Feb 9, 2024 3:32 pm

Read on Twitter


relax guys, weaver's got it.
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Post#313 » by GreekAlex » Fri Feb 9, 2024 3:40 pm

whitehops wrote:
Read on Twitter


relax guys, weaver's got it.


Hopefully he “restores” the team better than he “restored” his collection of lottery busts. :lol:
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Post#314 » by whitehops » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:06 pm

GreekAlex wrote:Hopefully he “restores” the team better than he “restored” his collection of lottery busts. :lol:


nope, he hasn't learned a thing:

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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#315 » by Piston Pete » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:10 pm

Weaver should have been fired years ago.

He’s terrible. As bad as we’ve been while he’s been here, he’s found ways to make us worse each season.

His asset management is a joke
Can’t trade
Allergic to free agency
Won’t stockpile picks
Etc
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#316 » by FloridaMan78 » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:14 pm

vege wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
vege wrote:
So when you rebuild you throw away assets left and right. Is that what you're telling me? Can you at least understand how poorly Weaver have been handling our limited assets?


Asset management includes our picks as well as players under contract. For picks, yes we could have more. But arguing about SRPs is like complaining about end of the bench players - they don’t move the needle.

As for the other aspect of asset management, the players contracts, we are in good shape. Stewart is the only long term money and that’s a reasonable contract. Rookie deals of course are fine. Hence we have great cap flexibility.


We owe a 1st, and #31 pick is not any 2nd.


You can’t say how bad the Pistons suck and say we owe a first. That first will be a second since they suck so bad. If it’s not a second then you think the Pistons will get better and Weaver did well.
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Post#317 » by 7r5ur » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:18 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Weaver should have been fired years ago.

He’s terrible. As bad as we’ve been while he’s been here, he’s found ways to make us worse each season.

His asset management is a joke
Can’t trade
Allergic to free agency
Won’t stockpile picks
Etc

Everyone somehow expects us to have this war chest of picks when the teams that have those started their rebuilds with the likes of prime Paul George, Westbrook, Harden, Donovan Mitchell, Gobert, etc. We started with Blake Griffin's immovable albatross contract, Luke Kennard, and that's about it.

If you want the stockpile of picks you'd have to start with dealing the guys you've recently drafted (namely Cade), kinda the way the Spurs got a few extra picks in trading Murray. You aren't getting a stockpile of picks for a million year old Bojan Bogdanovic. We got him for Kelly Olynyk and Saben Lee. Teams aren't donating us good picks for our trash.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#318 » by Canadafan » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:19 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Weaver should have been fired years ago.

He’s terrible. As bad as we’ve been while he’s been here, he’s found ways to make us worse each season.

His asset management is a joke
Can’t trade
Allergic to free agency
Won’t stockpile picks
Etc


I'm convinced, or have just convinced myself, that nobody wants to sign with us so that's the reason he hasn't done squat with our cap space ever
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#319 » by theBigLip » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:40 pm

Canadafan wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:Weaver should have been fired years ago.

He’s terrible. As bad as we’ve been while he’s been here, he’s found ways to make us worse each season.

His asset management is a joke
Can’t trade
Allergic to free agency
Won’t stockpile picks
Etc


I'm convinced, or have just convinced myself, that nobody wants to sign with us so that's the reason he hasn't done squat with our cap space ever


Money talks. Playing time matters.

We’re never going to be LA or Miami. And unless we are a solid playoff team, ring chasers will stay away as well. But there are definitely players that need a change of scenery, need more playing time, or want to get paid more. We can offer all of that.

As for our track record, I think this was by design . I don’t think we intended to sign big free agents until our young core matured a bit. But this summer seems like the time to jump in.
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Re: I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired. 

Post#320 » by Canadafan » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:48 pm

theBigLip wrote:
Canadafan wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:Weaver should have been fired years ago.

He’s terrible. As bad as we’ve been while he’s been here, he’s found ways to make us worse each season.

His asset management is a joke
Can’t trade
Allergic to free agency
Won’t stockpile picks
Etc


I'm convinced, or have just convinced myself, that nobody wants to sign with us so that's the reason he hasn't done squat with our cap space ever


Money talks. Playing time matters.

We’re never going to be LA or Miami. And unless we are a solid playoff team, ring chasers will stay away as well. But there are definitely players that need a change of scenery, need more playing time, or want to get paid more. We can offer all of that.

As for our track record, I think this was by design . I don’t think we intended to sign big free agents until our young core matured a bit. But this summer seems like the time to jump in.


Hopefully.
At the least we should be able to take on a couple long term contracts to help teams out financially. Legitimate rotation players. And Hopefully starters!! Lol
Duren Stew vet FA at center
New starter Fontecchio vet FA at PF
Ausur or New starter Top5 pick at SF
Ivey Cade Grimes Sasser at Guards
I'm feeling optimistic

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