Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

[zeebneeb]

I'm more of the mind that you trade the Kings Bey, Grant, and Joseph(they really want to make the playoffs)and get the 4th pick, then turn around and either take Ivey+Murray, or use the 4 and 5 to move up to #2 with OKC(Your never going to get a better package then that)and select Chet.

This of course depends on who Weaver actually likes in this draft. Weaver has done some crazy crap, and no one saw it coming, so who the hell knows what's actually going on.

I'm fully on board with Murray though. Drafting him, who I've come to really like, and using Grant to land Ayton, seems ideal to me;

Cade
Whatever
Bey
Murray
Ayton

Throw in a signing of Monk/Sexton/warm body and the Pistons could see a good resurgence next year, or another year of tanking into oblivion, for another Frenchman.

[Moses ShamMoses]

Sacremento would probably ask for Bey or Grant since we can't offer a future pick. If we're completely sold on Ivey being in a higher tier than Murray, Sharpe, Daniels, etc I think we should do it too.

[coolness]

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

New mock from nbadraft.net I've seen nothing like it and I'm guessing you haven't either

1. Jabari
2. Banchero
3. KEEGAN!
4. Ivey
5. Mathurin
6. CHET!
7. AJ!
8. Sharpe
9. Daniels
10. Agbaji
11. Davis
12. Wesley
13. Sochan
14. Branham
15. Williams
16. Duren
17. TyTy
18. Tari
19. Dieng
20. Hardy

Seems defensible. Are other mocks doing something along these lines?

[DBC10]

Sacremento would probably ask for Bey or Grant since we can't offer a future pick. If we're completely sold on Ivey being in a higher tier than Murray, Sharpe, Daniels, etc I think we should do it too.

Feels like I'm the only one but I'm just not completely sold on Ivey like that. If he fell to us at 5, then it's a not a big issue, you draft the athlete that can score and somewhat shoot and worry about his potential warts later. Giving up the 5 plus an asset to get Ivey though...tough call

[zeebneeb]

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

New mock from nbadraft.net I've seen nothing like it and I'm guessing you haven't either

1. Jabari
2. Banchero
3. KEEGAN!
4. Ivey
5. Mathurin
6. CHET!
7. AJ!
8. Sharpe
9. Daniels
10. Agbaji
11. Davis
12. Wesley
13. Sochan
14. Branham
15. Williams
16. Duren
17. TyTy
18. Tari
19. Dieng
20. Hardy

Seems defensible. Are other mocks doing something along these lines?

This draft is going to be one where in a redraft, almost everyone changes position. No one is 100% certain on anyone. All of them seem to have some fatal flaw, or characteristic that makes people worry.

This draft is 100% about scouting, and its really going to separate the scouting departments.

I'm still wondering why Smith is so beloved by the Magic.

[Manocad]

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

New mock from nbadraft.net I've seen nothing like it and I'm guessing you haven't either

1. Jabari
2. Banchero
3. KEEGAN!
4. Ivey
5. Mathurin
6. CHET!
7. AJ!
8. Sharpe
9. Daniels
10. Agbaji
11. Davis
12. Wesley
13. Sochan
14. Branham
15. Williams
16. Duren
17. TyTy
18. Tari
19. Dieng
20. Hardy

Seems defensible. Are other mocks doing something along these lines?

Chet falling to 6 is not defensible.

[coolness]

Chet is more than just 3's and blocks, but I was still led to believe there were holes in his body of work and not just his body. But, I can believe the "good attitude" stuff. Nobody forget that Chet is sophomore age, since we talk about everyone else's age.

I heard "too skinny to center" so many times, before I had to admit "too skinny to pf" and if he magically went to Cleveland, he would be "too skinny to sf." I was convinced that Tayshaun Prince was more than a little better at shooting guard than small forward, but he hardly ever got minutes there. Tay never stopped being too skinny, and was forced into some pf.

If Chet has a good, long career, I predict he plays pf and c the whole time, or at the very least can. It wouldn't necessarily matter who is called pf and who is called c when Chet is on the floor.

I've honestly never asked myself who I would take between Chet and Mathurin, because I mostly end up thinking about what is spoonfed me, but who do you take? Mathurin is a month younger. It's not preposterous, but that question could've easily been seen as out of line in places here and there when draft experts ("experts") keep saying it's a 4 player draft or even 3 player draft. Is there anything Mathurin wasn't allowed to show in his game last year? I've thought that not showing everything was the case about Chet from what I've been told.

[Kalamazoo317]

Sacremento would probably ask for Bey or Grant since we can't offer a future pick. If we're completely sold on Ivey being in a higher tier than Murray, Sharpe, Daniels, etc I think we should do it too.

Feels like I'm the only one but I'm just not completely sold on Ivey like that. If he fell to us at 5, then it's a not a big issue, you draft the athlete that can score and somewhat shoot and worry about his potential warts later. Giving up the 5 plus an asset to get Ivey though...tough call

You're not the only one.

[coolness]

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

New mock from nbadraft.net I've seen nothing like it and I'm guessing you haven't either

1. Jabari
2. Banchero
3. KEEGAN!
4. Ivey
5. Mathurin
6. CHET!
7. AJ!
8. Sharpe
9. Daniels
10. Agbaji
11. Davis
12. Wesley
13. Sochan
14. Branham
15. Williams
16. Duren
17. TyTy
18. Tari
19. Dieng
20. Hardy

Seems defensible. Are other mocks doing something along these lines?

Chet falling to 6 is not defensible.

LOL, I was making another post about Chet vs. Mathurin when you wrote that.

I would take Chet as a Piston over Keegan for sure. Keegan's ascent in the mocks has been slow and steady until this one blowing my mind. It honestly hits me when experts value somebody highly. Maybe they're saying Keegan will be a good NBA player from day one, and I try to imagine it, and I just don't think I should doubt it completely. *shrug* Chet, the two years younger fella, must have more potential, and if he stayed in NCAA two more years to reach Keegan's age, his stats would be two unicorns **** with a unicorn baby's head popping out, so yea.

But, I don't know about taking Chet over anyone else.

I also don't know why Jabari is #1 so much. I believe in his 3 and that he won't be bad at other things, but I'm not sure anyone can convince me that he will be an all-star, because they haven't so far. Maybe they will tomorrow, but I have Banchero over him when I think of their upsides.

[Manocad]

Chet is more than just 3's and blocks, but I was still led to believe there were holes in his body of work and not just his body. But, I can believe the "good attitude" stuff. Nobody forget that Chet is sophomore age, since we talk about everyone else's age.

I heard "too skinny to center" so many times, before I had to admit "too skinny to pf" and if he magically went to Cleveland, he would be "too skinny to sf." I was convinced that Tayshaun Prince was more than a little better at shooting guard than small forward, but he hardly ever got minutes there. Tay never stopped being too skinny, and was forced into some pf.

If Chet has a good, long career, I predict he plays pf and c the whole time, or at the very least can. It wouldn't necessarily matter who is called pf and who is called c when Chet is on the floor.

I've honestly never asked myself who I would take between Chet and Mathurin, because I mostly end up thinking about what is spoonfed me, but who do you take? Mathurin is a month younger. It's not preposterous, but that question could've easily been seen as out of line in places here and there when draft experts ("experts") keep saying it's a 4 player draft or even 3 player draft. Is there anything Mathurin wasn't allowed to show in his game last year? I've thought that not showing everything was the case about Chet from what I've been told.

Watch on YouTube

If you watch that clip of Chet's highlights in the tournament, meaning against the best teams, you'll see that there don't appear to be any holes in his game. He's just skinny. Watch the steal, outrunning the defender and dunking for an And-1 at the 2:10 mark. Watch him eat Duren alive in the post multiple times. 7 footers who can do that don't fall to 6. If he weighed even 25 lbs more I'd bet my house he'd be the consensus #1 pick.

[Kalamazoo317]

My prospect rankings right now are probably 1. Banchero 2. Chet 3. Jabari 4. Murray 5. Mathurin 6. Ivey and I don't know after that. And no, I didn't forget about Sharpe.

[coolness]

Chet is more than just 3's and blocks, but I was still led to believe there were holes in his body of work and not just his body. But, I can believe the "good attitude" stuff. Nobody forget that Chet is sophomore age, since we talk about everyone else's age.

I heard "too skinny to center" so many times, before I had to admit "too skinny to pf" and if he magically went to Cleveland, he would be "too skinny to sf." I was convinced that Tayshaun Prince was more than a little better at shooting guard than small forward, but he hardly ever got minutes there. Tay never stopped being too skinny, and was forced into some pf.

If Chet has a good, long career, I predict he plays pf and c the whole time, or at the very least can. It wouldn't necessarily matter who is called pf and who is called c when Chet is on the floor.

I've honestly never asked myself who I would take between Chet and Mathurin, because I mostly end up thinking about what is spoonfed me, but who do you take? Mathurin is a month younger. It's not preposterous, but that question could've easily been seen as out of line in places here and there when draft experts ("experts") keep saying it's a 4 player draft or even 3 player draft. Is there anything Mathurin wasn't allowed to show in his game last year? I've thought that not showing everything was the case about Chet from what I've been told.

Watch on YouTube

If you watch that clip of Chet's highlights in the tournament, meaning against the best teams, you'll see that there don't appear to be any holes in his game. He's just skinny. Watch the steal, outrunning the defender and dunking for an And-1 at the 2:10 mark. Watch him eat Duren alive in the post multiple times. 7 footers who can do that don't fall to 6. If he weighed even 25 lbs more I'd bet my house he'd be the consensus #1 pick.

Well, I don't remember exactly what it was, but I wanna say it something about half-court offense. Good posting up in the video though. That must be worth something. And, that makes it a good comment by itself in my mind. I'll wait and see what other comments come up or if I can read something in the coming days. Highlight videos are fun and they've never told a lie, but they aren't the whole truth.

[coolness]

My prospect rankings right now are probably 1. Banchero 2. Chet 3. Jabari 4. Murray 5. Mathurin 6. Ivey and I don't know after that. And no, I didn't forget about Sharpe.

Idunno. Bold against Ivey is kind of boss. Can't remember from the times I've followed other drafts where there is a good amount of movement in the mocks and a more than good amount of truly open questions about guys who will probably pan out decently or better or much better. Ivey and Cade would be practicing a lot of adjusting their games together and hopefully not spend any time getting in each other's way. Mathurin has a better chance of helping Cade be Cade from day one is my guess.

[mattao313]

What is the most you’d give up to move to four and get Ivey?

If the Kings like Keegan we are the only team that can offer a pick that is likely to yield him.

Grant and Stewart

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Hold up. You'd give up #5, Grant and Stewart for Ivey? Or are you talking about just Grant+Stewart?
The first one would be lunacy, the second one the Kings wouldn't touch.

I gotta admit, I'm getting less and less enthused by Murray as we get closer so I'm almost getting to the point when I'm thinking, **** it lets just give up Grant+5 to move up to 4 and take a swing on star potential. I'm not the biggest Ivey fan but I need some excitement and hope for potential big things down the road. Murray just doesn't bring either. He's one of those "that's fine" picks, "don't hate it" but not the type of player to move the needle in a big way. Ivey has that potential even though the floor is lower.

Yes sir 5,grant, and Stewart for 4 is what I'd do wouldn't hesitate either.

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[vic]

Why would we give the Kings Grant and Keegan for Ivey when they can just draft Keegan at 4?

If they trade back with anyone behind us, they wont get Keegan.

If they don't want Ivey, they don't have to draft him. But they don't get to use him as a trade piece especially if its public knowledge that they need the pick right behind him.

That's lunacy, I think it's just the national media that hates Detroit pushing this nonsense.

[Canadafan]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10038962-woj-jaden-ivey-targeted-by-teams-in-trade-calls-with-kings-ahead-of-nba-draft

I'd luv if we could give something minor to move up and grab Ivey.
Also am more interested in saving Grant to get Ayton.

We dont have anything else decent to offer TBH. Next up is Bey/Stewart

KO and a pick

I'm assuming you mean Grant amd our #5 for #4. Maybe I misread that. I would do KO and our 5th for the 4th. Just don't see why we would give up too much just to move up 1 spot

[Canadafan]

What is the most you’d give up to move to four and get Ivey?

If the Kings like Keegan we are the only team that can offer a pick that is likely to yield him.

Grant and Stewart

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Hold up. You'd give up #5, Grant and Stewart for Ivey? Or are you talking about just Grant+Stewart?
The first one would be lunacy, the second one the Kings wouldn't touch.

I gotta admit, I'm getting less and less enthused by Murray as we get closer so I'm almost getting to the point when I'm thinking, **** it lets just give up Grant+5 to move up to 4 and take a swing on star potential. I'm not the biggest Ivey fan but I need some excitement and hope for potential big things down the road. Murray just doesn't bring either. He's one of those "that's fine" picks, "don't hate it" but not the type of player to move the needle in a big way. Ivey has that potential even though the floor is lower.

I liked your post after reading the bolded. And then immediately was saddened when I read the rest lol jk. Let's just stick to the bolded part , I hope we don't give up too much to just move up one spot

[zeebneeb]

Chet is more than just 3's and blocks, but I was still led to believe there were holes in his body of work and not just his body. But, I can believe the "good attitude" stuff. Nobody forget that Chet is sophomore age, since we talk about everyone else's age.

I heard "too skinny to center" so many times, before I had to admit "too skinny to pf" and if he magically went to Cleveland, he would be "too skinny to sf." I was convinced that Tayshaun Prince was more than a little better at shooting guard than small forward, but he hardly ever got minutes there. Tay never stopped being too skinny, and was forced into some pf.

If Chet has a good, long career, I predict he plays pf and c the whole time, or at the very least can. It wouldn't necessarily matter who is called pf and who is called c when Chet is on the floor.

I've honestly never asked myself who I would take between Chet and Mathurin, because I mostly end up thinking about what is spoonfed me, but who do you take? Mathurin is a month younger. It's not preposterous, but that question could've easily been seen as out of line in places here and there when draft experts ("experts") keep saying it's a 4 player draft or even 3 player draft. Is there anything Mathurin wasn't allowed to show in his game last year? I've thought that not showing everything was the case about Chet from what I've been told.

Watch on YouTube

If you watch that clip of Chet's highlights in the tournament, meaning against the best teams, you'll see that there don't appear to be any holes in his game. He's just skinny. Watch the steal, outrunning the defender and dunking for an And-1 at the 2:10 mark. Watch him eat Duren alive in the post multiple times. 7 footers who can do that don't fall to 6. If he weighed even 25 lbs more I'd bet my house he'd be the consensus #1 pick.

Well, let me ask you this question;

Would you trade what it takes to grab that #2 spot from OKC? I'm thinking it'll take the #5, Bey, Stewart, and even a future first. I have always been of the mind that finding players like Bey, or Stewart, good and capable starters, is a hell of a lot easier then landing two stars to build around. Some people don't like the idea of sending out young players, and picks, for the unknown.

What I'm asking basically, is are you sold enough on Chet to almost reset a large portion of your starters, to land that second player next to Cade, and is he Chet?

I'm on the fence. He has shown some amazing potential, for sure.

[mattao313]

Grant and Stewart

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Hold up. You'd give up #5, Grant and Stewart for Ivey? Or are you talking about just Grant+Stewart?
The first one would be lunacy, the second one the Kings wouldn't touch.

I gotta admit, I'm getting less and less enthused by Murray as we get closer so I'm almost getting to the point when I'm thinking, **** it lets just give up Grant+5 to move up to 4 and take a swing on star potential. I'm not the biggest Ivey fan but I need some excitement and hope for potential big things down the road. Murray just doesn't bring either. He's one of those "that's fine" picks, "don't hate it" but not the type of player to move the needle in a big way. Ivey has that potential even though the floor is lower.

I liked your post after reading the bolded. And then immediately was saddened when I read the rest lol jk. Let's just stick to the bolded part , I hope we don't give up too much to just move up one spot

It's really not about 1 spot it's more about getting a guy from the first tier of prospects. If you think Ivey is a much better prospect than the others at 5 ( I do) then it doesn't matter about how many spots it's about the actual player.

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[flow]

We dont have anything else decent to offer TBH. Next up is Bey/Stewart

KO and a pick

I'm assuming you mean Grant amd our #5 for #4. Maybe I misread that. I would do KO and our 5th for the 4th. Just don't see why we would give up too much just to move up 1 spot

It's just a matter of how much you covet a guy who you believe will be (or is) there at 4, but fear won't be at 5.

Regardless, there's no way Sac moves down a spot for Kelly Olynyk.