Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

[FloridaMan78]

I don’t think Weaver trades up. I think he’s good at 5. Either one of our competitors pay a lot for Ivey or he drops to us.

Or the kings continue to be inept and pick a player that doesn’t want to play for them. Murray isn’t a bad option.

[DNice68]

I don’t think Weaver trades up. I think he’s good at 5. Either one of our competitors pay a lot for Ivey or he drops to us.

Or the kings continue to be inept and pick a player that doesn’t want to play for them. Murray isn’t a bad option.

Agreed!

[edmunder_prc]

I don’t think Weaver trades up. I think he’s good at 5. Either one of our competitors pay a lot for Ivey or he drops to us.

Or the kings continue to be inept and pick a player that doesn’t want to play for them. Murray isn’t a bad option.

Yup, I'm happy that Ivey said he doesnt want to play for the Kings. Sad that he also mentioned the Pacers who could move up easily and grab him.

[Drwho17]

Sacremento would probably ask for Bey or Grant since we can't offer a future pick. If we're completely sold on Ivey being in a higher tier than Murray, Sharpe, Daniels, etc I think we should do it too.

Sacramento would probably do Bey straight up for #4, no way the Pistons would trade Bey/Grant and #5 just to move up 1 slot.

[Manocad]

Chet is more than just 3's and blocks, but I was still led to believe there were holes in his body of work and not just his body. But, I can believe the "good attitude" stuff. Nobody forget that Chet is sophomore age, since we talk about everyone else's age.

I heard "too skinny to center" so many times, before I had to admit "too skinny to pf" and if he magically went to Cleveland, he would be "too skinny to sf." I was convinced that Tayshaun Prince was more than a little better at shooting guard than small forward, but he hardly ever got minutes there. Tay never stopped being too skinny, and was forced into some pf.

If Chet has a good, long career, I predict he plays pf and c the whole time, or at the very least can. It wouldn't necessarily matter who is called pf and who is called c when Chet is on the floor.

I've honestly never asked myself who I would take between Chet and Mathurin, because I mostly end up thinking about what is spoonfed me, but who do you take? Mathurin is a month younger. It's not preposterous, but that question could've easily been seen as out of line in places here and there when draft experts ("experts") keep saying it's a 4 player draft or even 3 player draft. Is there anything Mathurin wasn't allowed to show in his game last year? I've thought that not showing everything was the case about Chet from what I've been told.

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If you watch that clip of Chet's highlights in the tournament, meaning against the best teams, you'll see that there don't appear to be any holes in his game. He's just skinny. Watch the steal, outrunning the defender and dunking for an And-1 at the 2:10 mark. Watch him eat Duren alive in the post multiple times. 7 footers who can do that don't fall to 6. If he weighed even 25 lbs more I'd bet my house he'd be the consensus #1 pick.

Well, let me ask you this question;

Would you trade what it takes to grab that #2 spot from OKC? I'm thinking it'll take the #5, Bey, Stewart, and even a future first. I have always been of the mind that finding players like Bey, or Stewart, good and capable starters, is a hell of a lot easier then landing two stars to build around. Some people don't like the idea of sending out young players, and picks, for the unknown.

What I'm asking basically, is are you sold enough on Chet to almost reset a large portion of your starters, to land that second player next to Cade, and is he Chet?

I'm on the fence. He has shown some amazing potential, for sure.

No, I absolutely would not trade up to get Chet at 2. I was just demonstrating how there's no way in hell IMO that he'd fall to 6.

[Manocad]

I don’t think Weaver trades up. I think he’s good at 5. Either one of our competitors pay a lot for Ivey or he drops to us.

Or the kings continue to be inept and pick a player that doesn’t want to play for them. Murray isn’t a bad option.

Yeah, I see no reason to give up serious assets to move up one spot to get Ivey. If he falls to 5, take him. If he doesn't, take Murray. And neither scenario costs you anything. And if it's Murray then the big push is on to move Grant. And who knows--maybe a sign and trade for Ayton is already in the works.

[Canadafan]

I don’t think Weaver trades up. I think he’s good at 5. Either one of our competitors pay a lot for Ivey or he drops to us.

Or the kings continue to be inept and pick a player that doesn’t want to play for them. Murray isn’t a bad option.

Yeah, I see no reason to give up serious assets to move up one spot to get Ivey. If he falls to 5, take him. If he doesn't, take Murray. And neither scenario costs you anything. And if it's Murray then the big push is on to move Grant. And who knows--maybe a sign and trade for Ayton is already in the works.

And then use our cap space to get a guard

[treefi]

I don’t think Weaver trades up. I think he’s good at 5. Either one of our competitors pay a lot for Ivey or he drops to us.

Or the kings continue to be inept and pick a player that doesn’t want to play for them. Murray isn’t a bad option.

Yeah, I see no reason to give up serious assets to move up one spot to get Ivey. If he falls to 5, take him. If he doesn't, take Murray. And neither scenario costs you anything. And if it's Murray then the big push is on to move Grant. And who knows--maybe a sign and trade for Ayton is already in the works.

I definitely wouldn't give up Bey and/or Grant to move up to #4 like some people are suggesting. That sounds crazy to me. If we really value who's likely available that much less than the top 4, I hope we've been shopping the pick around and trade down or swap for an established NBA star like when the Clippers traded #2 for Elton Brand all those years ago.

[JerseyJungle]

Yeah - I like that idea....trade down, not up. The 5-6-7 tier seems about equal in talent. I'd be OK with trading down to 7 and getting one of Sharpe/Mathurin/Murray. And maybe a second rounder. No way would I give up a valuable asset to trade up to 4. We have the leverage, with Ivey saying he doesn't want Sacremento.

[JerseyJungle]

More on Ben. had a few setbacks early in his life. I still think he's a good character.

https://www.mlive.com/pistons/2022/06/bennedict-mathurins-upside-character-talent-would-serve-pistons-well-in-long-run.html?src=rss

[FloridaMan78]

I don’t think Weaver trades up. I think he’s good at 5. Either one of our competitors pay a lot for Ivey or he drops to us.

Or the kings continue to be inept and pick a player that doesn’t want to play for them. Murray isn’t a bad option.

Yeah, I see no reason to give up serious assets to move up one spot to get Ivey. If he falls to 5, take him. If he doesn't, take Murray. And neither scenario costs you anything. And if it's Murray then the big push is on to move Grant. And who knows--maybe a sign and trade for Ayton is already in the works.

I definitely wouldn't give up Bey and/or Grant to move up to #4 like some people are suggesting. That sounds crazy to me. If we really value who's likely available that much less than the top 4, I hope we've been shopping the pick around and trade down or swap for an established NBA star like when the Clippers traded #2 for Elton Brand all those years ago.

Now if Weaver thought Livers was ready to take a huge step, maybe I would do Grant and Bey for 4. Ivey and Murray would be pretty sick.

[Sort]

I'm a little sad face right now because I just don't see a likelihood Pistons grab Ivey, or if they do, it will likely cost them a lot of draft capital. And look, Mathurin or Murray will be solid pros in this league, and they may likely end up top five players in this draft, but there are also at most a third or fourth best player. I mean high end comps are Murray becomes a version of Tobias Harris and Murray becomes a combo of a not-as-good Jason Richardson for offense and not-as-good KCP for defense. Watching the scouting report, I actually think the best comp for Murray - whom I think we'll be taking - is Marcus Morris in terms of impacting the game.

Solid, and both will easily outplay his contract, but Pistons need their second best player, and it just doesn't seem like it will happen. They don't get Ivey, and I do think the success of this offseason will come down to getting Ayton. And while that's in the real possible, it seems still more like a dream than anything else.

[MotownMadness]

I'm a little sad face right now because I just don't see a likelihood Pistons grab Ivey, or if they do, it will likely cost them a lot of draft capital. And look, Mathurin or Murray will be solid pros in this league, and they may likely end up top five players in this draft, but there are also at most a third or fourth best player. I mean high end comps are Murray becomes a version of Tobias Harris and Murray becomes a combo of a not-as-good Jason Richardson for offense and not-as-good KCP for defense. Watching the scouting report, I actually think the best comp for Murray - whom I think we'll be taking - is Marcus Morris in terms of impacting the game.

Solid, and both will easily outplay his contract, but Pistons need their second best player, and it just doesn't seem like it will happen. They don't get Ivey, and I do think the success of this offseason will come down to getting Ayton. And while that's in the real possible, it seems still more like a dream than anything else.

We still have the 5th pick plus Grant to use in a trade. I actually think we have the best offer because we have the most valuable pick to use in a trade over anyone else and Kings only have to move down one spot with us.

[FloridaMan78]

I'm a little sad face right now because I just don't see a likelihood Pistons grab Ivey, or if they do, it will likely cost them a lot of draft capital. And look, Mathurin or Murray will be solid pros in this league, and they may likely end up top five players in this draft, but there are also at most a third or fourth best player. I mean high end comps are Murray becomes a version of Tobias Harris and Murray becomes a combo of a not-as-good Jason Richardson for offense and not-as-good KCP for defense. Watching the scouting report, I actually think the best comp for Murray - whom I think we'll be taking - is Marcus Morris in terms of impacting the game.

Solid, and both will easily outplay his contract, but Pistons need their second best player, and it just doesn't seem like it will happen. They don't get Ivey, and I do think the success of this offseason will come down to getting Ayton. And while that's in the real possible, it seems still more like a dream than anything else.

The Murray comp to Harris is accurate IMO, but he’ll come in right now and be near his production on a rookies salary. That’s very understated. That is very enticing to a team like the Kings, especially since Murray really wants to be in Sac too. I think they really want him and I think Weaver knows that. I think there’s a good chance Kings just take their guy.

[buzzkilloton]

I'm a little sad face right now because I just don't see a likelihood Pistons grab Ivey, or if they do, it will likely cost them a lot of draft capital. And look, Mathurin or Murray will be solid pros in this league, and they may likely end up top five players in this draft, but there are also at most a third or fourth best player. I mean high end comps are Murray becomes a version of Tobias Harris and Murray becomes a combo of a not-as-good Jason Richardson for offense and not-as-good KCP for defense. Watching the scouting report, I actually think the best comp for Murray - whom I think we'll be taking - is Marcus Morris in terms of impacting the game.

Solid, and both will easily outplay his contract, but Pistons need their second best player, and it just doesn't seem like it will happen. They don't get Ivey, and I do think the success of this offseason will come down to getting Ayton. And while that's in the real possible, it seems still more like a dream than anything else.

The Murray comp to Harris is accurate IMO, but he’ll come in right now and be near his production on a rookies salary. That’s very understated. That is very enticing to a team like the Kings, especially since Murray really wants to be in Sac too. I think they really want him and I think Weaver knows that. I think there’s a good chance Kings just take their guy.

You're taking what people are comping as a ceiling for Murray being T.Harris and calling it his floor here. The comp Hollinger used from the article i posted here yesterday that ive seen many times is TJ.Warren. Interesting enough Warren was another ultra productive 6'8 tweener college player averaging 25 and 7 as a sopth.

[edmunder_prc]

Id rather take Mathurin, then Dyson, then Murray.

The last two Aussie league guys, Ball and Giddey, looked just fine with some time in the NBA. So that puts me more at ease with Dyson. The jump seems doable and actually helpful to play higher talent guys makes their passing skills more valuable. I dont like his shooting with the Ignite.

Mathurin has a lot of talent, high level athleticism and can shoot. Looks like a fit next to Cade.

Sharpe I have no idea - hopefully he played in front of Weaver for half a day to show what he has against actual NBA talent level guys. If Weaver could have watched Hayes in a full scrimmage for a couple hours, no way he takes him.

[joedumars1]

Ivey not going to be a winner. He might put up huge numbers tho

[buzzkilloton]

Id rather take Mathurin, then Dyson, then Murray.

The last two Aussie league guys, Ball and Giddey, looked just fine with some time in the NBA. So that puts me more at ease with Dyson. The jump seems doable and actually helpful to play higher talent guys makes their passing skills more valuable. I dont like his shooting with the Ignite.

Mathurin has a lot of talent, high level athleticism and can shoot. Looks like a fit next to Cade.

Sharpe I have no idea - hopefully he played in front of Weaver for half a day to show what he has against actual NBA talent level guys. If Weaver could have watched Hayes in a full scrimmage for a couple hours, no way he takes him.

Only thing thats came out on Sharpe was from bleacher report and was negative. Of course you cant rely on bleacher report there huge on spews for views. This has only came from one of there guys and i remember countless writeups from this site that only come from them over the years. There guy said they heard Sharpe had bad workouts and will go 7 or later fwiw.

I'm fine with Daniels or Mathurin as well. Not sexy picks but both are going to give us some new dimensions we didnt have before. I still think Daniels giving us that oversized secondary ball handler would be the one to go with if we cant get Ivey.

edit-Oh yeah Sharpe had a bad interview too. No way were taking him at 5 at this point. We needed intel we got it.

[FloridaMan78]

I'm a little sad face right now because I just don't see a likelihood Pistons grab Ivey, or if they do, it will likely cost them a lot of draft capital. And look, Mathurin or Murray will be solid pros in this league, and they may likely end up top five players in this draft, but there are also at most a third or fourth best player. I mean high end comps are Murray becomes a version of Tobias Harris and Murray becomes a combo of a not-as-good Jason Richardson for offense and not-as-good KCP for defense. Watching the scouting report, I actually think the best comp for Murray - whom I think we'll be taking - is Marcus Morris in terms of impacting the game.

Solid, and both will easily outplay his contract, but Pistons need their second best player, and it just doesn't seem like it will happen. They don't get Ivey, and I do think the success of this offseason will come down to getting Ayton. And while that's in the real possible, it seems still more like a dream than anything else.

The Murray comp to Harris is accurate IMO, but he’ll come in right now and be near his production on a rookies salary. That’s very understated. That is very enticing to a team like the Kings, especially since Murray really wants to be in Sac too. I think they really want him and I think Weaver knows that. I think there’s a good chance Kings just take their guy.

You're taking what people are comping as a ceiling for Murray being T.Harris and calling it his floor here. The comp Hollinger used from the article i posted here yesterday that ive seen many times is TJ.Warren. Interesting enough Warren was another ultra productive 6'8 tweener college player averaging 25 and 7 as a sopth.

I’m sorry I meant Tobias Harris production. 16ppg 7 rpg

It took Harris about 4 years to get to that. I think Murray comes in day 1 and hits those numbers.

[buzzkilloton]

The Murray comp to Harris is accurate IMO, but he’ll come in right now and be near his production on a rookies salary. That’s very understated. That is very enticing to a team like the Kings, especially since Murray really wants to be in Sac too. I think they really want him and I think Weaver knows that. I think there’s a good chance Kings just take their guy.

You're taking what people are comping as a ceiling for Murray being T.Harris and calling it his floor here. The comp Hollinger used from the article i posted here yesterday that ive seen many times is TJ.Warren. Interesting enough Warren was another ultra productive 6'8 tweener college player averaging 25 and 7 as a sopth.

I’m sorry I meant Tobias Harris production. 16ppg 7 rpg

It took Harris about 4 years to get to that. I think Murray comes in day 1 and hits those numbers.

Fair enough.

Yeah I wont be surprised to see 16 7. Kyle Kuzma averaged 16 and 6 as a rookie he has that similar tweener style game.