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Post#321 » by theBigLip » Wed Jul 6, 2016 6:56 pm

coordinator0 wrote:If Wade goes to Denver, they might be open to trading someone in their backcourt. It would be pretty crowded in that scenario with Mudiay, Wade, Harris, Murray, Beasley, Nelson, and maybe Barton (although he plays some three as well). And no I wouldn't want the Pistons to make a move for Jameer. :wink:

Harris would be my target. Even though I don't think backup shooting guard is much of a need he has versatile skills that would be great off the bench. All depends on price though.



Great minds think alike. I just starting a thread on this very topic after reading Pelton's article on espn.com. Hoping that Denver gets Wade for sure.
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Post#322 » by theBigLip » Wed Jul 6, 2016 6:57 pm

Nene just signed for 2.9M. I wonder if he would have been a good pickup since we will be losing Baynes next year for sure.
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Post#323 » by chrbal » Wed Jul 6, 2016 7:36 pm

Hes 33 and hasn't played over 70 games since 2010-11. Some of his numbers are good. Wouldn't mind him on the cheap, but not blown away by anything he does.
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Post#324 » by roc » Wed Jul 6, 2016 8:45 pm

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coordinator0 wrote:If Wade goes to Denver, they might be open to trading someone in their backcourt. It would be pretty crowded in that scenario with Mudiay, Wade, Harris, Murray, Beasley, Nelson, and maybe Barton (although he plays some three as well). And no I wouldn't want the Pistons to make a move for Jameer. :wink:

Harris would be my target. Even though I don't think backup shooting guard is much of a need he has versatile skills that would be great off the bench. All depends on price though.



Great minds think alike. I just starting a thread on this very topic after reading Pelton's article on espn.com. Hoping that Denver gets Wade for sure.

like that Billups/Dyce for AI deal?

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Re: Around the League 

Post#325 » by theBigLip » Wed Jul 6, 2016 10:54 pm

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coordinator0 wrote:If Wade goes to Denver, they might be open to trading someone in their backcourt. It would be pretty crowded in that scenario with Mudiay, Wade, Harris, Murray, Beasley, Nelson, and maybe Barton (although he plays some three as well). And no I wouldn't want the Pistons to make a move for Jameer. :wink:

Harris would be my target. Even though I don't think backup shooting guard is much of a need he has versatile skills that would be great off the bench. All depends on price though.



Great minds think alike. I just starting a thread on this very topic after reading Pelton's article on espn.com. Hoping that Denver gets Wade for sure.

like that Billups/Dyce for AI deal?

:o

could... not... resist... :lol:


It's funny, I always thought that the Billups/AI trade made a lot of sense. DWill and CP3 just got in the league, Billups was looking slower, we were looking like our window had closed, so after making this trade, we had both Sheed and AI expiring at 20M each. That season might not have ended well with AI basically not playing, but we had a **** of cap space to work with. I forget who we signed (I think that is a bad sign right there), but we didn't retool like we should have.
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Re: Around the League 

Post#326 » by Snakebites » Wed Jul 6, 2016 10:56 pm

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Great minds think alike. I just starting a thread on this very topic after reading Pelton's article on espn.com. Hoping that Denver gets Wade for sure.

like that Billups/Dyce for AI deal?

:o

could... not... resist... :lol:


It's funny, I always thought that the Billups/AI trade made a lot of sense. DWill and CP3 just got in the league, Billups was looking slower, we were looking like our window had closed, so after making this trade, we had both Sheed and AI expiring at 20M each. That season might not have ended well with AI basically not playing, but we had a **** of cap space to work with. I forget who we signed (I think that is a bad sign right there), but we didn't retool like we should have.

I'm amazed you have forgotten the tragedy that is Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.

The chief problem with the trade was that those actually WERE the best free agents available. No, I'm not kidding.
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Re: Around the League 

Post#327 » by theBigLip » Wed Jul 6, 2016 11:02 pm

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roc wrote:like that Billups/Dyce for AI deal?

:o

could... not... resist... :lol:


It's funny, I always thought that the Billups/AI trade made a lot of sense. DWill and CP3 just got in the league, Billups was looking slower, we were looking like our window had closed, so after making this trade, we had both Sheed and AI expiring at 20M each. That season might not have ended well with AI basically not playing, but we had a **** of cap space to work with. I forget who we signed (I think that is a bad sign right there), but we didn't retool like we should have.

I'm amazed you have forgotten the tragedy that is Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.

The chief problem with the trade was that those actually WERE the best free agents available. No, I'm not kidding.


Ah, I had blocked them out of my mind :-)

Yes, THAT was the problem. We had a ton of cap space, and like a drunken sailor, Dumars went out and spent all of it on those two. So the trade I think was okay, even if AI was on his last legs. Unfortunately, as you point out, it wasn't a great summer for free agents. SO maybe we should have kept the cap space, or used it in trades. But not for BG and CV.
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Re: Around the League 

Post#328 » by Snakebites » Wed Jul 6, 2016 11:19 pm

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It's funny, I always thought that the Billups/AI trade made a lot of sense. DWill and CP3 just got in the league, Billups was looking slower, we were looking like our window had closed, so after making this trade, we had both Sheed and AI expiring at 20M each. That season might not have ended well with AI basically not playing, but we had a **** of cap space to work with. I forget who we signed (I think that is a bad sign right there), but we didn't retool like we should have.

I'm amazed you have forgotten the tragedy that is Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.

The chief problem with the trade was that those actually WERE the best free agents available. No, I'm not kidding.


Ah, I had blocked them out of my mind :-)

Yes, THAT was the problem. We had a ton of cap space, and like a drunken sailor, Dumars went out and spent all of it on those two. So the trade I think was okay, even if AI was on his last legs. Unfortunately, as you point out, it wasn't a great summer for free agents. SO maybe we should have kept the cap space, or used it in trades. But not for BG and CV.


Kept the cap space? It would have gone away due to increasing salaries, draft picks, etc. Or at least it would have gone down significantly.

I think its pretty clear it was the wrong year to go all in on cap space. Those were the best free agents and no salary space was used by any team to leverage any substantial trades in that offseason either.

Furthermore, even if you disagree with the above, we could have gotten that cap space by simply letting Hamilton expire rather than giving him that absurd extension. Could have had cap space, Chauncey for the last few years of his usefulness, and avoided the nightmare of Iverson, Gordon, and CV altogether.
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Post#329 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jul 6, 2016 11:41 pm

On the Magic board, there is a poster that thinks Billups is better than Zeke because his statistics prove he is . . .
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Post#330 » by roc » Thu Jul 7, 2016 12:00 am

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Great minds think alike. I just starting a thread on this very topic after reading Pelton's article on espn.com. Hoping that Denver gets Wade for sure.

like that Billups/Dyce for AI deal?

:o

could... not... resist... :lol:


It's funny, I always thought that the Billups/AI trade made a lot of sense. DWill and CP3 just got in the league, Billups was looking slower, we were looking like our window had closed, so after making this trade, we had both Sheed and AI expiring at 20M each. That season might not have ended well with AI basically not playing, but we had a **** of cap space to work with. I forget who we signed (I think that is a bad sign right there), but we didn't retool like we should have.

I remember exactly what I wanted to do if Billups was being dealt... deal with Portland who had young assets and a core of Roy/LMA/Oden and really needed a PG. The deal I wanted and PDX fans liked at the time as well...

Billups/Dyce for Batum/Bayless/LaFrentz/Picks

That was when Batum was new to the league and LaFrentz salary was insured so would have been cap space during the season plus a bunch of young assets. Granted I was of the opinion that our window had closed a couple years prior and Joe D was still trying to apply band aids.
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Re: Around the League 

Post#331 » by Alexander » Thu Jul 7, 2016 12:13 am

roc wrote:
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roc wrote:like that Billups/Dyce for AI deal?

:o

could... not... resist... :lol:


It's funny, I always thought that the Billups/AI trade made a lot of sense. DWill and CP3 just got in the league, Billups was looking slower, we were looking like our window had closed, so after making this trade, we had both Sheed and AI expiring at 20M each. That season might not have ended well with AI basically not playing, but we had a **** of cap space to work with. I forget who we signed (I think that is a bad sign right there), but we didn't retool like we should have.

I remember exactly what I wanted to do if Billups was being dealt... deal with Portland who had young assets and a core of Roy/LMA/Oden and really needed a PG. The deal I wanted and PDX fans liked at the time as well...

Billups/Dyce for Batum/Bayless/LaFrentz/Picks

That was when Batum was new to the league and LaFrentz salary was insured so would have been cap space during the season plus a bunch of young assets. Granted I was of the opinion that our window had closed a couple years prior and Joe D was still trying to apply band aids.

You weren't wrong. The Chauncey trade was the true beginning of the end. We fired Flip, hire a mole to coach in Michael Curry, and just kept delaying the inevitable and repainting a house that had foundational issues.
Getting Batum and picks would have been infinitely more valuable than the trainwreck that Iverson endured.
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Post#332 » by zeebneeb » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:06 am

Well, that's one playoff team out for sure. With Miami's slot open that means one of the bucks, magic, Washington, bulls sneak in.
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Post#333 » by Alexander » Thu Jul 7, 2016 2:46 am

Even if the Bucks don't sneak in this season, that core of Middleton/Giannis/Parker is a great one. I've always been higher on MCW than others, I *am* a Greg Monroe apologist, and I was one of the people voting for Thon Maker in our Pistons big board (admittedly I overlooked Ellenson at that stage), so they have pieces. They're going places.
I consider that team a parallel of us and our building process, except we're centered around a C and they're main piece is a Greek freak.
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Post#334 » by joedumars1 » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:28 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:On the Magic board, there is a poster that thinks Billups is better than Zeke because his statistics prove he is . . .

Zeek doesn't get to much love from realgm posters
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Post#335 » by Snakebites » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:37 am

joedumars1 wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:On the Magic board, there is a poster that thinks Billups is better than Zeke because his statistics prove he is . . .

Zeek doesn't get to much love from realgm posters


Yeah, and the advanced stats are very kind to Chauncey.

I've seen very legitimate Billups vs Isiah threads on the Player Comparisons Boards with quite a few prominent advocates on both sides.

Seems silly to me too, but the advanced stats folks love Chauncey.
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Post#336 » by joedumars1 » Thu Jul 7, 2016 3:45 am

Snakebites wrote:
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BadMofoPimp wrote:On the Magic board, there is a poster that thinks Billups is better than Zeke because his statistics prove he is . . .

Zeek doesn't get to much love from realgm posters


Yeah, and the advanced stats are very kind to Chauncey.

I've seen very legitimate Billups vs Isiah threads on the Player Comparisons Boards with quite a few prominent advocates on both sides.

Seems silly to me too, but the advanced stats folks love Chauncey.

I haven't even watch Zeek, well highlight. Born in 89. I do know he was the heartbeat of that team and made the culture with Laimbeer. He was a badass. Scoring what 27 in one quarter or something on that ankle?
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Post#337 » by dVs33 » Thu Jul 7, 2016 6:35 am

Barbosa to Suns for cheap. He would have been a nice addition.
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Post#338 » by Pharaoh » Thu Jul 7, 2016 7:14 am

The drama with the Billups/Iverson trade is that we had all season to get word to Carlos Boozer or Paul Millsap that we wanted them here...

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Not terrible...but Joe thought the offensive changes the league was making were THE key to returning us to prominence...he went too early on flawed guys and that started the doom loop
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Post#339 » by Liqourish » Thu Jul 7, 2016 12:26 pm

zeebneeb wrote:Well, that's one playoff team out for sure. With Miami's slot open that means one of the bucks, magic, Washington, bulls sneak in.


I think Orlando gets in now. They were right outside for me before Wade left Miami. Even though I think Orlando has gotten worse overall with trade Tobias/Oladipo/picks for 1 yr of Ibaka and Biyombo, they still have enough young upside to fight their way in.
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Post#340 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Jul 7, 2016 5:30 pm

Liqourish wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:Well, that's one playoff team out for sure. With Miami's slot open that means one of the bucks, magic, Washington, bulls sneak in.


I think Orlando gets in now. They were right outside for me before Wade left Miami. Even though I think Orlando has gotten worse overall with trade Tobias/Oladipo/picks for 1 yr of Ibaka and Biyombo, they still have enough young upside to fight their way in.


I would watch out for Aaron Gordon. His friends have been all over Twitter showing his workouts and game. He has been killing it.

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