Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

[zeebneeb]

I don't think he deserves to start next year unless he earns it.

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That's the rationale for a team shooting for a playoff run, i.e. putting the lineup best-suited for winning games on the floor every night. That's not the rationale used for a team trying to develop a lot of young players. By that logic Cojo should start over Hayes and regardless of what you think of Hayes, I don't think many of us would support starting Cojo over Hayes if it came down to that exact decision. There's no point in it.

As a 3rd year player he couldn't beat out a rookie and Corey Joseph something is very wrong. No point in gifting minutes to a guy not making progress.

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Not sure using "3rd year player" lends credence to what your saying, when the total amount of games he has played is at 60.

[mattao313]

That's the rationale for a team shooting for a playoff run, i.e. putting the lineup best-suited for winning games on the floor every night. That's not the rationale used for a team trying to develop a lot of young players. By that logic Cojo should start over Hayes and regardless of what you think of Hayes, I don't think many of us would support starting Cojo over Hayes if it came down to that exact decision. There's no point in it.

As a 3rd year player he couldn't beat out a rookie and Corey Joseph something is very wrong. No point in gifting minutes to a guy not making progress.

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Not sure using "3rd year player" lends credence to what your saying, when the total amount of games he has played is at 60.

So a player cant get better in the off-season and by having access to NBA coaches and facilities? Corey Joseph is putting up 11&6 per36! He's a below average bench player. Ivey would be a rookie, if Killian can't beat those guys somethings wrong.

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[MotownMadness]

Guys to watch out for if we fall out of the top 4

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[Manocad]

As a 3rd year player he couldn't beat out a rookie and Corey Joseph something is very wrong. No point in gifting minutes to a guy not making progress.

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Not sure using "3rd year player" lends credence to what your saying, when the total amount of games he has played is at 60.

So a player cant get better in the off-season and by having access to NBA coaches and facilities? Corey Joseph is putting up 11&6 per36! He's a below average bench player. Ivey would be a rookie, if Killian can't beat those guys somethings wrong.

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Considering the average PPG for all NBA players is about 9, 11 and 6 in 36 would not make Cojo a "below average" bench player. Now, does that make him a desirable starting point guard? Of course not. But if your standard for any rookie, second year or third year player is at least 11 PPG just to be considered a below average bench player, you're not dealing in NBA reality.

I get that people want to bail on Hayes, call him a bust, whatever. But if you're going to use stats to make your argument at least make sense.

[mattao313]

Not sure using "3rd year player" lends credence to what your saying, when the total amount of games he has played is at 60.

So a player cant get better in the off-season and by having access to NBA coaches and facilities? Corey Joseph is putting up 11&6 per36! He's a below average bench player. Ivey would be a rookie, if Killian can't beat those guys somethings wrong.

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Considering the average PPG for all NBA players is about 9, 11 and 6 in 36 would not make Cojo a "below average" bench player. Now, does that make him a desirable starting point guard? Of course not. But if your standard for any rookie, second year or third year player is at least 11 PPG just to be considered a below average bench player, you're not dealing in NBA reality.

I get that people want to bail on Hayes, call him a bust, whatever. But if you're going to use stats to make your argument at least make sense.

No I'm just being realistic a guy who can't beat out a bench player for the starting role 3 years into his career is a concern. If he isn't progressing why keep feeding him minutes? If Ivey hypothetically played and looks better than him I want Ivey to start. same with battling with Joseph. At that point he needs to start showing that he's starting caliber.

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[Manocad]

So a player cant get better in the off-season and by having access to NBA coaches and facilities? Corey Joseph is putting up 11&6 per36! He's a below average bench player. Ivey would be a rookie, if Killian can't beat those guys somethings wrong.

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Considering the average PPG for all NBA players is about 9, 11 and 6 in 36 would not make Cojo a "below average" bench player. Now, does that make him a desirable starting point guard? Of course not. But if your standard for any rookie, second year or third year player is at least 11 PPG just to be considered a below average bench player, you're not dealing in NBA reality.

I get that people want to bail on Hayes, call him a bust, whatever. But if you're going to use stats to make your argument at least make sense.

No I'm just being realistic a guy who can't beat out a bench player for the starting role 3 years into his career is a concern. If he isn't progressing why keep feeding him minutes? If Ivey hypothetically played and looks better than him I want Ivey to start. same with battling with Joseph. At that point he needs to start showing that he's starting caliber.

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So you'd start Cojo in his place because he doesn't "deserve" the minutes?

Yeah, that makes total sense.

[NYPiston]

yeah i kept reading the jabari at #1 hype and was like... huh? one of the reasons i'm wary of paolo is because he could be a "jack of all trades, master of none" kind of player and jabari is showing that he's a potentially great shooter but everything else inside the arc comes in flashes and is inconsistent. i'll probably get a lot of flak for this but jabari seems like a slightly more athletic, slightly more dynamic saddiq bey.

chet and ivey at least have elite traits that should translate to the league. i can't wait to see what chet's reach is because he makes it look so easy defending the rim and finishing near the rim. there's obviously the question about his body but if he can even come close to gobert defensively plus his offensive potential (which to me is a great finisher in the paint, can hit the open 3 and pass decently) then you have a great franchise center. ivey's athleticism will be in the elite tier from day one and shouldn't have much trouble getting where he wants on the court. it's tough to say what his ceiling/floor is but he seems to have great intangibles and a good skill set to go along with his athleticism.

Smith is nothing like Bey. His movements are WAY more fluid, way more athletic, has a much better handle and he's a much better passer. Plus, he has a lot more length although not as strong as Bey.

When watching him play, I don't see a guy that will struggle shooting from inside the arc at the next level because he's has an array of moves and finds ways to get off good shots. I think it's just a matter of them not going down, kind of like Cade from 3 when they weren't falling but it wasn't due to any problems with his shooting mechanics or anything like that.

My one issue with Jabari is physicality, as is the case with a lot of young players. I think he's a bit soft down low but then again, he's more of a perimeter big so he might not spend much time banging with players inside.
I think a good comp for him would be a prime Rashard Lewis which is a hell of a player. Maybe not a true franchise #1 go to scorer but an All Star caliber player.

Considering the Pistons needs, I'd agree with you that Chet and Ivey fit their needs better in terms of length and rim protection with Chet and plus plus PLUS athleticism with Ivey. I also think they have more of that "dog" mentality than Smith for sure. I see some of that dog in Paolo also but Paolo won't provide that conventional big man need with high volume rebounding and rim protection.
Either way, any of the 4 would be a great get. Draft talent, worry about fit later.

I'd also throw Kendall Brown's name into the mix. If there is a "Scottie Barnes" type of player in this draft, it's him. Guy does everything really well and fits that long athletic profile from the 2/3 position.
I could see Weaver being infatuated with Duren but I steer clear of him with a top 10 pick, never mind a top 5 pick.

[FloridaMan78]

yeah i kept reading the jabari at #1 hype and was like... huh? one of the reasons i'm wary of paolo is because he could be a "jack of all trades, master of none" kind of player and jabari is showing that he's a potentially great shooter but everything else inside the arc comes in flashes and is inconsistent. i'll probably get a lot of flak for this but jabari seems like a slightly more athletic, slightly more dynamic saddiq bey.

chet and ivey at least have elite traits that should translate to the league. i can't wait to see what chet's reach is because he makes it look so easy defending the rim and finishing near the rim. there's obviously the question about his body but if he can even come close to gobert defensively plus his offensive potential (which to me is a great finisher in the paint, can hit the open 3 and pass decently) then you have a great franchise center. ivey's athleticism will be in the elite tier from day one and shouldn't have much trouble getting where he wants on the court. it's tough to say what his ceiling/floor is but he seems to have great intangibles and a good skill set to go along with his athleticism.

Smith is nothing like Bey. His movements are WAY more fluid, way more athletic, has a much better handle and he's a much better passer. Plus, he has a lot more length although not as strong as Bey.

When watching him play, I don't see a guy that will struggle shooting from inside the arc at the next level because he's has an array of moves and finds ways to get off good shots. I think it's just a matter of them not going down, kind of like Cade from 3 when they weren't falling but it wasn't due to any problems with his shooting mechanics or anything like that.

My one issue with Jabari is physicality, as is the case with a lot of young players. I think he's a bit soft down low but then again, he's more of a perimeter big so he might not spend much time banging with players inside.
I think a good comp for him would be a prime Rashard Lewis which is a hell of a player. Maybe not a true franchise #1 go to scorer but an All Star caliber player.

Considering the Pistons needs, I'd agree with you that Chet and Ivey fit their needs better in terms of length and rim protection with Chet and plus plus PLUS athleticism with Ivey. I also think they have more of that "dog" mentality than Smith for sure. I see some of that dog in Paolo also but Paolo won't provide that conventional big man need with high volume rebounding and rim protection.
Either way, any of the 4 would be a great get. Draft talent, worry about fit later.

I'd also throw Kendall Brown's name into the mix. If there is a "Scottie Barnes" type of player in this draft, it's him. Guy does everything really well and fits that long athletic profile from the 2/3 position.
I could see Weaver being infatuated with Duren but I steer clear of him with a top 10 pick, never mind a top 5 pick.

Here’s a video from the article I posted earlier about Smith’s issue getting inside. His first dribble is to his side making it harder to get by his man in the half court. He then relies on his jump shot, not much separation.

It’s a bit of a reach to take a jump shooter first overall, but man he has nice shot. Pick and pops with Cade would be tough to defend. The article suggests Smith’s more Kristaps than Doncic.

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[MotownMadness]

Its his size and length to go with that jump shot that can make him dangerous

[FloridaMan78]

Its his size and length to go with that jump shot that can make him dangerous

For sure. Much like Kristaps. He has nice post moves, but his inability to drive in the half court limits him, defenders will crowd his jump shot. He’s good at attacking close outs, but he’s not blowing by anyone in ISO situations.

Smith would be a great compliment to Cade. Pick and pops, spot ups, one dribble pull ups would be much of the offense.

I have him #1 on my board, but not by much.

Banchero and Ivey are Alphas while Smith and Chet are more complimentary players IMO. Chet might be a defensive Alpha, but he’s still a toothpick lol. You can give Banchero and Ivey the ball and get out of their way. I’m not sure if Cade is good enough to be our only Alpha.

[DNice68]

Jaden Ivey is a crap defender, and is kind of scared to score at times!

[mattao313]

I feel like banchero is being a little underrated here. Questionable 3pt shot but good ft% and a good blend of power, skill, and athleticism.

Also Chets stats look pretty nasty but if he isn't a legit 7 footer I wouldn't take him top 3 considering his frame looks bad.

Ivey looks good but I still question the 3pt shot and him being a full time PG I think he isn't as valueable if he's just a combo guard. I still think a PG would be best next to Cade.

Jabari has a nice jumper but lacks that dribble drive game. Jump shooters are really valuable especially at his size but if the shot isn't falling they become kinda useless on O.

Overall I still don't have a favorite from this draft.



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[MotownMadness]

Thoughts on AJ Griffin? Been getting more and more minutes now and when he produces he kinda gives off some Jimmy Butler vibes.

[jakebernat]

I feel like banchero is being a little underrated here. Questionable 3pt shot but good ft% and a good blend of power, skill, and athleticism.

Also Chets stats look pretty nasty but if he isn't a legit 7 footer I wouldn't take him top 3 considering his frame looks bad.

Ivey looks good but I still question the 3pt shot and him being a full time PG I think he isn't as valueable if he's just a combo guard. I still think a PG would be best next to Cade.

Jabari has a nice jumper but lacks that dribble drive game. Jump shooters are really valuable especially at his size but if the shot isn't falling they become kinda useless on O.

Overall I still don't have a favorite from this draft.



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nah, banchero’s my least favorite in the top 4. I see a guy who, at best, looks somewhere between melo and the Morris twins, and I just don’t care for the bruising mid-range power forward game.

after much flip-flopping, I’ve decided Jabari’s my guy. he fits like a glove, is much younger than chet for the class, and has plenty of room to grow, both in terms of physical growth and in his game. i understand the apprehension towards his dribble drive game, but his shooting ability and the natural spacing of the nba will definitely open that up for him. he’s a pretty good all-around defender even if he’s not a great shot blocker. Most importantly, he plays great team basketball, and would fit right in with killacade, bey, and hami in that regard.

[NYPiston]

I feel like banchero is being a little underrated here. Questionable 3pt shot but good ft% and a good blend of power, skill, and athleticism.

Also Chets stats look pretty nasty but if he isn't a legit 7 footer I wouldn't take him top 3 considering his frame looks bad.

Ivey looks good but I still question the 3pt shot and him being a full time PG I think he isn't as valueable if he's just a combo guard. I still think a PG would be best next to Cade.

Jabari has a nice jumper but lacks that dribble drive game. Jump shooters are really valuable especially at his size but if the shot isn't falling they become kinda useless on O.

Overall I still don't have a favorite from this draft.



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Absolutely. I think some people have a fetish for 2 way players nowadays so a guy who can score in bunches but has some defensive issues is looked upon in a lesser light. I even saw some people comparing him to Carmelo and not in a positive light as if the comparison to a Hall of Fame player is a bad thing lol and Carmelo was universally underrated during his career because he wasn't a great defensive player or great passer.

As far as his defense is concerned, I don't think it's hopeless. He has those heavy feet which might cause him some problems against athletic bigs but he shows some ability to play well in post up defense and to be honest, defense is something that can be taught and or sheltered on an NBA roster.
The bottom line is that he has some special offensive skills that can't be taught, the ole 3 level scorer. He's a legit top 3 prospect in most drafts.

[NYPiston]

Thoughts on AJ Griffin? Been getting more and more minutes now and when he produces he kinda gives off some Jimmy Butler vibes.

Hard to evaluate because he gets so few minutes.
Johnny Davis is the guy that gives me Butler vibes. Not an elite athlete but just a really savvy offensive player with that "dog" mentality that Butler has. He's going to get some top 5 mentions if he has more big games like the Purdue one.

[mattao313]

I feel like banchero is being a little underrated here. Questionable 3pt shot but good ft% and a good blend of power, skill, and athleticism.

Also Chets stats look pretty nasty but if he isn't a legit 7 footer I wouldn't take him top 3 considering his frame looks bad.

Ivey looks good but I still question the 3pt shot and him being a full time PG I think he isn't as valueable if he's just a combo guard. I still think a PG would be best next to Cade.

Jabari has a nice jumper but lacks that dribble drive game. Jump shooters are really valuable especially at his size but if the shot isn't falling they become kinda useless on O.

Overall I still don't have a favorite from this draft.



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Absolutely. I think some people have a fetish for 2 way players nowadays so a guy who can score in bunches but has some defensive issues is looked upon in a lesser light. I even saw some people comparing him to Carmelo and not in a positive light as if the comparison to a Hall of Fame player is a bad thing lol and Carmelo was universally underrated during his career because he wasn't a great defensive player or great passer.

As far as his defense is concerned, I don't think it's hopeless. He has those heavy feet which might cause him some problems against athletic bigs but he shows some ability to play well in post up defense and to be honest, defense is something that can be taught and or sheltered on an NBA roster.
The bottom line is that he has some special offensive skills that can't be taught, the ole 3 level scorer. He's a legit top 3 prospect in most drafts.

Yup I agree if we can get a melo I'd be really happy. Offensive talent is a premium in the NBA it's a reason why guys like mkg and Hollis Jefferson are fighting for spots in the NBA while Trae young and booker are top 20 players.

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[mattao313]

I feel like banchero is being a little underrated here. Questionable 3pt shot but good ft% and a good blend of power, skill, and athleticism.

Also Chets stats look pretty nasty but if he isn't a legit 7 footer I wouldn't take him top 3 considering his frame looks bad.

Ivey looks good but I still question the 3pt shot and him being a full time PG I think he isn't as valueable if he's just a combo guard. I still think a PG would be best next to Cade.

Jabari has a nice jumper but lacks that dribble drive game. Jump shooters are really valuable especially at his size but if the shot isn't falling they become kinda useless on O.

Overall I still don't have a favorite from this draft.



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nah, banchero’s my least favorite in the top 4. I see a guy who, at best, looks somewhere between melo and the Morris twins, and I just don’t care for the bruising mid-range power forward game.

after much flip-flopping, I’ve decided Jabari’s my guy. he fits like a glove, is much younger than chet for the class, and has plenty of room to grow, both in terms of physical growth and in his game. i understand the apprehension towards his dribble drive game, but his shooting ability and the natural spacing of the nba will definitely open that up for him. he’s a pretty good all-around defender even if he’s not a great shot blocker. Most importantly, he plays great team basketball, and would fit right in with killacade, bey, and hami in that regard.

Who do you think a good comparison fro smith is? Maybe Danilo Gallinari with better defense?

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[FloridaMan78]

I feel like banchero is being a little underrated here. Questionable 3pt shot but good ft% and a good blend of power, skill, and athleticism.

Also Chets stats look pretty nasty but if he isn't a legit 7 footer I wouldn't take him top 3 considering his frame looks bad.

Ivey looks good but I still question the 3pt shot and him being a full time PG I think he isn't as valueable if he's just a combo guard. I still think a PG would be best next to Cade.

Jabari has a nice jumper but lacks that dribble drive game. Jump shooters are really valuable especially at his size but if the shot isn't falling they become kinda useless on O.

Overall I still don't have a favorite from this draft.



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nah, banchero’s my least favorite in the top 4. I see a guy who, at best, looks somewhere between melo and the Morris twins, and I just don’t care for the bruising mid-range power forward game.

after much flip-flopping, I’ve decided Jabari’s my guy. he fits like a glove, is much younger than chet for the class, and has plenty of room to grow, both in terms of physical growth and in his game. i understand the apprehension towards his dribble drive game, but his shooting ability and the natural spacing of the nba will definitely open that up for him. he’s a pretty good all-around defender even if he’s not a great shot blocker. Most importantly, he plays great team basketball, and would fit right in with killacade, bey, and hami in that regard.

Who do you think a good comparison fro smith is? Maybe Danilo Gallinari with better defense?

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LaMarcus Aldridge with three point range.

[jakebernat]

I feel like banchero is being a little underrated here. Questionable 3pt shot but good ft% and a good blend of power, skill, and athleticism.

Also Chets stats look pretty nasty but if he isn't a legit 7 footer I wouldn't take him top 3 considering his frame looks bad.

Ivey looks good but I still question the 3pt shot and him being a full time PG I think he isn't as valueable if he's just a combo guard. I still think a PG would be best next to Cade.

Jabari has a nice jumper but lacks that dribble drive game. Jump shooters are really valuable especially at his size but if the shot isn't falling they become kinda useless on O.

Overall I still don't have a favorite from this draft.



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nah, banchero’s my least favorite in the top 4. I see a guy who, at best, looks somewhere between melo and the Morris twins, and I just don’t care for the bruising mid-range power forward game.

after much flip-flopping, I’ve decided Jabari’s my guy. he fits like a glove, is much younger than chet for the class, and has plenty of room to grow, both in terms of physical growth and in his game. i understand the apprehension towards his dribble drive game, but his shooting ability and the natural spacing of the nba will definitely open that up for him. he’s a pretty good all-around defender even if he’s not a great shot blocker. Most importantly, he plays great team basketball, and would fit right in with killacade, bey, and hami in that regard.

Who do you think a good comparison fro smith is? Maybe Danilo Gallinari with better defense?

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i think gallo’s game is/was much more grounded and cerebral. he relied heavily on outthinking his opponents and getting to the line. I like to compare him to a rashard lewis with better defense, but it’s tough to call since the game is played so much differently now.