RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!)

Post #341 » by **ajaX82** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:49 pm

I agree, i am rooting for 2012. With so many seconds though i grab a bunch of project foreigners and hope one hits (like Jonas).

Burton · Post #342 » by **Burton** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:49 pm

rip for murphy and petro was fine. 1st, 2nd, whatever, it's all gravy.

Liqourish · Post #343 » by **Liqourish** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:09 pm

Knicks fans amuse me..... it's like Lebron all over again.

DetroitPistons · Post #344 » by **DetroitPistons** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:23 pm

If this deal goes through it would be huge for dumars image. we get a huge expiring and a small contract. im impressed that dumars ended up squeezing out a 2nd rounder as well.

zeebneeb · Post #345 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:28 pm

I'm fine with the second round pick. It can be used in another trade, or for Joe to grab another all-star.

This is shaping up to be a hell of a trade for Detroit.

srt4b · Post #346 » by **srt4b** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:32 pm

This is a good deal. Obviously would prefer not to take Petro but whatever.

GET IT DONE!

Post #347 » by **dVs33** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:45 pm

how would people feel about a follow up trade of Prince and Bynum for Harris and Balkman once the initial denver/nj/det trade is done???
Waive Balkman and we get to keep Summers and White and see if they can produce??
We move bynum and get a legitimate PG on a reasonable contract??

Thoughts??

vege · Post #348 » by **vege** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:45 pm

Take on Petro for a 2nd is ugly, really ugly, i am not fan of that deal, i think if we wait some more we would trade Rip for an expiring this season.

Post #349 » by **theBigLip** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:49 pm

I really don't understand why it is a big issue about Petro. Sure, you don't want to take on any salary, but it isn't that much for an end of bench big man. Most importantly, we move Rip, save a ton of money, get rid of SG logjam, and start the rebuilding process for real. Just pull the trigger Joe!

DetroitPistons · Post #350 » by **DetroitPistons** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:52 pm

dVs33 wrote:how would people feel about a follow up trade of Prince and Bynum for Harris and Balkman once the initial denver/nj/det trade is done???
Waive Balkman and we get to keep Summers and White and see if they can produce??
We move bynum and get a legitimate PG on a reasonable contract??

Thoughts??

Im not a big fan of harris. im hoping we can use prince to dump maxiell or CV for expirings. i want to see the stuckey/BG back court finish the season with rip out of the way. if they play well then we keep them. if not then we trade them. also, i don't care if we waive summers. the dude is a black hole. i would like to see terrico play though.

ParrottK · Post #351 » by **ParrottK** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:53 pm

vege wrote:Take on Petro for a 2nd is ugly, really ugly, i am not fan of that deal, i think if we wait some more we would trade Rip for an expiring this season.

I would do the trade without the second. Rip for Murphy and Petro is a good deal for us. The second rounder is just icing.

We're just going to go out and give another Chris Wilcox-like guy a couple million next year anyway to be our emergency big man. No reason not to let Petro be that guy. He may be making a million a year more than we would prefer, but we're still saving a ton by getting rid of Rip's contract.

coordinator0 · Post #352 » by **coordinator0** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:54 pm

theBigLip wrote:I really don't understand why it is a big issue about Petro. Sure, you don't want to take on any salary, but it isn't that much for an end of bench big man. Most importantly, we move Rip, save a ton of money, get rid of SG logjam, and start the rebuilding process for real. Just pull the trigger Joe!

Apparently the Detroit-New Jersey part of the deal is pretty much done, it's Denver that's holding up the trade now. I'd be perfectly fine with a Hamilton for Murphy, Petro, and 2nd trade as well. THe only thing that worries me is that Kuester would probably be dumb enough to let Murphy and/or Petro cut into Monroe's minutes this season, but maybe not.

vege · Post #353 » by **vege** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:54 pm

theBigLip wrote:I really don't understand why it is a big issue about Petro. Sure, you don't want to take on any salary, but it isn't that much for an end of bench big man. Most importantly, we move Rip, save a ton of money, get rid of SG logjam, and start the rebuilding process for real. Just pull the trigger Joe!

He is a minimum salary scrub being paid 10 million in 3 seasons. His contract is absurd in my eyes. You would have over 8 million in Max and Petro for the foresee future and neither of them deserves any PT.

We could have a starter with that money. People are ok to take on Petro because it's not a 8 figures number but even if it's "only" 3-3.5 mil/year that salary is brutal for what he bring to the table.

DetroitPistons · Post #354 » by **DetroitPistons** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:54 pm

vege wrote:Take on Petro for a 2nd is ugly, really ugly, i am not fan of that deal, i think if we wait some more we would trade Rip for an expiring this season.

Im not willing to take that gamble. petro's contract isn't even that bad. it would be nice to let NJ keep that 2nd in exchange for keeping petro as well but thats certainly not a deal breaker.

Post #355 » by **ajaX82** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:55 pm

If Denver screws this up, while getting an insane return mind you, I will be beyond furious

ParrottK · Post #356 » by **ParrottK** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:56 pm

dVs33 wrote:how would people feel about a follow up trade of Prince and Bynum for Harris and Balkman once the initial denver/nj/det trade is done???
Waive Balkman and we get to keep Summers and White and see if they can produce??
We move bynum and get a legitimate PG on a reasonable contract??

Thoughts??

Harris is too much like an older Stuckey to me. Can probably resign Stuckey for similar money, if not cheaper.

Post #357 » by **dVs33** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:56 pm

theBigLip wrote:I really don't understand why it is a big issue about Petro. Sure, you don't want to take on any salary, but it isn't that much for an end of bench big man. Most importantly, we move Rip, save a ton of money, get rid of SG logjam, and start the rebuilding process for real. Just pull the trigger Joe!

Totally agree.
Getting Petro isn't great, but moving Rip for an expiring is. IMO Murphy and Petro for Rip is reasonable. Getting anything else is just a bonas.

I hope this bloody deal goes through...... :pray:

vege · Post #358 » by **vege** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:57 pm

DetroitPistons wrote: petro's contract isn't even that bad.

Yes it is THAT BAD, i guess people haven't seen Petro play. Go to NJ and Denver boards and ask about the guy, he is not NBA material and he is a 7 footer, teams are starving for defensive 7 footers and no one want the guy, not even the team who just gave him that insane contract.

vege · Post #359 » by **vege** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:58 pm

ajaX82 wrote:If Denver screws this up, while getting an insane return mind you, I will be beyond furious

Honestly? Their loss if they screw this up. They are the big winners if the deal goes down.

Post #360 » by **dVs33** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:01 pm

vege wrote:
theBigLip wrote:I really don't understand why it is a big issue about Petro. Sure, you don't want to take on any salary, but it isn't that much for an end of bench big man. Most importantly, we move Rip, save a ton of money, get rid of SG logjam, and start the rebuilding process for real. Just pull the trigger Joe!

He is a minimum salary scrub being paid 10 million in 3 seasons. His contract is absurd in my eyes. You would have over 8 million in Max and Petro for the foresee future and neither of them deserves any PT.

We could have a starter with that money. People are ok to take on Petro because it's not a 8 figures number but even if it's "only" 3-3.5 mil/year that salary is brutal for what he bring to the table.

The Max and Petro point is valid here.
Personally the Petro inclusion isn't a deal breaker, but hopefully Joe can move Max and Bynum after this trade.