Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

[mattao313]

nah, banchero’s my least favorite in the top 4. I see a guy who, at best, looks somewhere between melo and the Morris twins, and I just don’t care for the bruising mid-range power forward game.

after much flip-flopping, I’ve decided Jabari’s my guy. he fits like a glove, is much younger than chet for the class, and has plenty of room to grow, both in terms of physical growth and in his game. i understand the apprehension towards his dribble drive game, but his shooting ability and the natural spacing of the nba will definitely open that up for him. he’s a pretty good all-around defender even if he’s not a great shot blocker. Most importantly, he plays great team basketball, and would fit right in with killacade, bey, and hami in that regard.

Who do you think a good comparison fro smith is? Maybe Danilo Gallinari with better defense?

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LaMarcus Aldridge with three point range.

I've seen this comparison but LMA is way more stiff and moved like a big man if you get what I'm saying.

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[mattao313]

nah, banchero’s my least favorite in the top 4. I see a guy who, at best, looks somewhere between melo and the Morris twins, and I just don’t care for the bruising mid-range power forward game.

after much flip-flopping, I’ve decided Jabari’s my guy. he fits like a glove, is much younger than chet for the class, and has plenty of room to grow, both in terms of physical growth and in his game. i understand the apprehension towards his dribble drive game, but his shooting ability and the natural spacing of the nba will definitely open that up for him. he’s a pretty good all-around defender even if he’s not a great shot blocker. Most importantly, he plays great team basketball, and would fit right in with killacade, bey, and hami in that regard.

Who do you think a good comparison fro smith is? Maybe Danilo Gallinari with better defense?

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i think gallo’s game is/was much more grounded and cerebral. he relied heavily on outthinking his opponents and getting to the line. I like to compare him to a rashard lewis with better defense, but it’s tough to call since the game is played so much differently now.

Yeah I was thinking the same after saying Gallo he gets to the line a lot.

I feel like this is one of those drafts where it's better to have pick 2 or maybe 3

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[MotownMadness]

Has anybody in here actually watched Johnny Davis play this year? I'm just now even really learning about him from the draft forum over the last couple weeks but he's been killing it.

Another big game tonight with a efficient 26pts, 9rebs and 5ast

[Manocad]

after much flip-flopping, I’ve decided Jabari’s my guy. he fits like a glove, is much younger than chet for the class, and has plenty of room to grow, both in terms of physical growth and in his game. i understand the apprehension towards his dribble drive game, but his shooting ability and the natural spacing of the nba will definitely open that up for him. he’s a pretty good all-around defender even if he’s not a great shot blocker. Most importantly, he plays great team basketball, and would fit right in with killacade, bey, and hami in that regard.

He's almost exactly a year younger than Chet (plus 12 days); he'll have just turned 19 by the draft and Chet will have just turned 20. I'd challenge the assertion that even 19 vs 23 is irrelevant since even now the average peak for players is still 27 years old as it has been for years. I'm not seeing a year of age difference being a factor that moves the needle, especially since there isn't any empirical data showing that NBA champion teams are getting younger since the institution of the one-and-dones, or even before that when high school players could be drafted.

For the record, the average age of the last 10 NBA champions was 28.7. This supports the logic that draft age doesn't really play a factor in increasing the odds of winning a championship.

[mattao313]

I think banchero is the #1 guy right now I think he has that all around game that could potentially be a high level star in the NBA. I think him and Ivey have the highest ceilings in the top 4 guys

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[NYPiston]

Has anybody in here actually watched Johnny Davis play this year? I'm just now even really learning about him from the draft forum over the last couple weeks but he's been killing it.

Another big game tonight with a efficient 26pts, 9rebs and 5ast

He's giving me some Devin Booker vibes with the ability to hit shots from anywhere on the court without gaining much separation with high end athleticism, he has that Booker step back shot down pat. He's actually a better rebounder than Booker too.

I've only keyed on him a few times because he wasn't really on the radar before the season (at least where the Pistons will likely be drafting) but he's been really impressive each time I've seen him. He's one of those guys that just has a really good feel for the game, really high Basketball IQ.

On a semi related note because they played against each other last night, Keegan Murray was really impressive as well. Another guy who doesn't have great athleticism but can score from anywhere on the court and has a good all around game, in a bigger frame. Some real interesting choices for the Pistons if they drop out of the top 3-4 although I could see Weaver having Duren over all these 2nd tier guys because of need.

[FloridaMan78]

Yea hard not to compare Davis to Devin Booker, yet tough to really say and commit a super high pick for him.

[jakebernat]

after much flip-flopping, I’ve decided Jabari’s my guy. he fits like a glove, is much younger than chet for the class, and has plenty of room to grow, both in terms of physical growth and in his game. i understand the apprehension towards his dribble drive game, but his shooting ability and the natural spacing of the nba will definitely open that up for him. he’s a pretty good all-around defender even if he’s not a great shot blocker. Most importantly, he plays great team basketball, and would fit right in with killacade, bey, and hami in that regard.

He's almost exactly a year younger than Chet (plus 12 days); he'll have just turned 19 by the draft and Chet will have just turned 20. I'd challenge the assertion that even 19 vs 23 is irrelevant since even now the average peak for players is still 27 years old as it has been for years. I'm not seeing a year of age difference being a factor that moves the needle, especially since there isn't any empirical data showing that NBA champion teams are getting younger since the institution of the one-and-dones, or even before that when high school players could be drafted.

For the record, the average age of the last 10 NBA champions was 28.7. This supports the logic that draft age doesn't really play a factor in increasing the odds of winning a championship.

and Chet is 3+ years behind him in terms of strength. that matters a lot, considering the fact that Chet knew he’d be a top draft pick years ago and did the least to gain any muscle. i KNEW you’d bite on that one.

[Manocad]

after much flip-flopping, I’ve decided Jabari’s my guy. he fits like a glove, is much younger than chet for the class, and has plenty of room to grow, both in terms of physical growth and in his game. i understand the apprehension towards his dribble drive game, but his shooting ability and the natural spacing of the nba will definitely open that up for him. he’s a pretty good all-around defender even if he’s not a great shot blocker. Most importantly, he plays great team basketball, and would fit right in with killacade, bey, and hami in that regard.

He's almost exactly a year younger than Chet (plus 12 days); he'll have just turned 19 by the draft and Chet will have just turned 20. I'd challenge the assertion that even 19 vs 23 is irrelevant since even now the average peak for players is still 27 years old as it has been for years. I'm not seeing a year of age difference being a factor that moves the needle, especially since there isn't any empirical data showing that NBA champion teams are getting younger since the institution of the one-and-dones, or even before that when high school players could be drafted.

For the record, the average age of the last 10 NBA champions was 28.7. This supports the logic that draft age doesn't really play a factor in increasing the odds of winning a championship.

and Chet is 3+ years behind him in terms of strength. that matters a lot, considering the fact that Chet knew he’d be a top draft pick years ago and did the least to gain any muscle. i KNEW you’d bite on that one.

Bit on what? I simply said that empirical data shows that draft age in and of itself has no bearing on building a winning team faster, and you’ve presented no argument to the contrary. Had you said that Smith was stronger and that was a reason to draft him over Chet I wouldn’t have disagreed and said that Chet was stronger; I’ve consistently said that Chet needs more weight/strength or he’s going to get pushed around in the NBA. But I appreciate your passion and effort, misguided though it is. And that’s ok; you’re always going to miss some pitches at first. Keep swinging.

[jakebernat]

He's almost exactly a year younger than Chet (plus 12 days); he'll have just turned 19 by the draft and Chet will have just turned 20. I'd challenge the assertion that even 19 vs 23 is irrelevant since even now the average peak for players is still 27 years old as it has been for years. I'm not seeing a year of age difference being a factor that moves the needle, especially since there isn't any empirical data showing that NBA champion teams are getting younger since the institution of the one-and-dones, or even before that when high school players could be drafted.

For the record, the average age of the last 10 NBA champions was 28.7. This supports the logic that draft age doesn't really play a factor in increasing the odds of winning a championship.

and Chet is 3+ years behind him in terms of strength. that matters a lot, considering the fact that Chet knew he’d be a top draft pick years ago and did the least to gain any muscle. i KNEW you’d bite on that one.

Bit on what? I simply said that empirical data shows that draft age in and of itself has no bearing on building a winning team faster, and you’ve presented no argument to the contrary. Had you said that Smith was stronger and that was a reason to draft him over Chet I wouldn’t have disagreed and said that Chet was stronger; I’ve consistently said that Chet needs more weight/strength or he’s going to get pushed around in the NBA. But I appreciate your passion and effort, misguided though it is. And that’s ok; you’re always going to miss some pitches at first. Keep swinging.

lol give the theatrics a rest my guy. Chet is light years behind everyone in terms of strength, so it absolutely matters that he’s already a year older than everyone in his class. stop dressing up your posts to say absolutely nothing that 3 words could’ve said.

you’ve been commenting on Chet’s age for a little while now and how it doesn’t matter, so you “bit” on that part of my post. you and i both know I shouldn’t have to spell that out for you.

[bstein14]

and Chet is 3+ years behind him in terms of strength. that matters a lot, considering the fact that Chet knew he’d be a top draft pick years ago and did the least to gain any muscle. i KNEW you’d bite on that one.

Bit on what? I simply said that empirical data shows that draft age in and of itself has no bearing on building a winning team faster, and you’ve presented no argument to the contrary. Had you said that Smith was stronger and that was a reason to draft him over Chet I wouldn’t have disagreed and said that Chet was stronger; I’ve consistently said that Chet needs more weight/strength or he’s going to get pushed around in the NBA. But I appreciate your passion and effort, misguided though it is. And that’s ok; you’re always going to miss some pitches at first. Keep swinging.

lol give the theatrics a rest my guy. Chet is light years behind everyone in terms of strength, so it absolutely matters that he’s already a year older than everyone in his class. stop dressing up your posts to say absolutely nothing that 3 words could’ve said.

you’ve been commenting on Chet’s age for a little while now and how it doesn’t matter, so you “bit” on that part of my post. you and i both know I shouldn’t have to spell that out for you.

KD couldnt bench press 140 lbs one time at the combine. Not long after that top picks stopped showing up. The NBA has changed so much that a Chet/Stewart front court would be able to match up defensively against most 4/5 pairings in the league.

I am certainly a not sold on Chet overall either though because he is being praised for his skillset at his size but in reality a lot of NBA players that are 6'9" to 6'11" have a similar skillset and Im not sure how much those couple extra inches really matter. Having SF skills with center height is nice but he isnt really a unicorn in todays NBA.

[jakebernat]

Bit on what? I simply said that empirical data shows that draft age in and of itself has no bearing on building a winning team faster, and you’ve presented no argument to the contrary. Had you said that Smith was stronger and that was a reason to draft him over Chet I wouldn’t have disagreed and said that Chet was stronger; I’ve consistently said that Chet needs more weight/strength or he’s going to get pushed around in the NBA. But I appreciate your passion and effort, misguided though it is. And that’s ok; you’re always going to miss some pitches at first. Keep swinging.

lol give the theatrics a rest my guy. Chet is light years behind everyone in terms of strength, so it absolutely matters that he’s already a year older than everyone in his class. stop dressing up your posts to say absolutely nothing that 3 words could’ve said.

you’ve been commenting on Chet’s age for a little while now and how it doesn’t matter, so you “bit” on that part of my post. you and i both know I shouldn’t have to spell that out for you.

KD couldnt bench press 140 lbs one time at the combine. Not long after that top picks stopped showing up. The NBA has changed so much that a Chet/Stewart front court would be able to match up defensively against most 4/5 pairings in the league.

I am certainly a not sold on Chet overall either though because he is being praised for his skillset at his size but in reality a lot of NBA players that are 6'9" to 6'11" have a similar skillset and Im not sure how much those couple extra inches really matter. Having SF skills with center height is nice but he isnt really a unicorn in todays NBA.

for what it’s worth, it’s 185 lbs that they bench in the combine.

and yeah, I agree, those couple inches don’t really matter if he’s being physically abused in every matchup. He’s going to be a target, and honestly, I’d be worried about him staying healthy.

I also question his commitment, because like I said, he’s known for a couple years now that he’d be a top draft pick, and has done so little to improve his frame.

i wouldn’t be mad about taking him. i love his potential. i love his skill set, but that lack of commitment scares me.

[Manocad]

and Chet is 3+ years behind him in terms of strength. that matters a lot, considering the fact that Chet knew he’d be a top draft pick years ago and did the least to gain any muscle. i KNEW you’d bite on that one.

Bit on what? I simply said that empirical data shows that draft age in and of itself has no bearing on building a winning team faster, and you’ve presented no argument to the contrary. Had you said that Smith was stronger and that was a reason to draft him over Chet I wouldn’t have disagreed and said that Chet was stronger; I’ve consistently said that Chet needs more weight/strength or he’s going to get pushed around in the NBA. But I appreciate your passion and effort, misguided though it is. And that’s ok; you’re always going to miss some pitches at first. Keep swinging.

lol give the theatrics a rest my guy. Chet is light years behind everyone in terms of strength, so it absolutely matters that he’s already a year older than everyone in his class. stop dressing up your posts to say absolutely nothing that 3 words could’ve said.

you’ve been commenting on Chet’s age for a little while now and how it doesn’t matter, so you “bit” on that part of my post. you and i both know I shouldn’t have to spell that out for you.

You've got some serious delusion going on there. You made a point about Smith being younger than Chet and that being a good thing. I argued that the year of age difference didn't matter, then you come back with "Ah hah! But Smith is stronger! I knew you'd bite!" Which of course makes no sense whatsoever in a "Gotcha!" sense since they're two separate points. The only thing I've argued about Chet specifically is that he DOES need to get bigger and stronger. And the only argument I've made about age is that drafting younger, i.e. one-and-done's vs 22 year old seniors who are deemed "too old," is that age doesn't matter in the grand scheme (although I do prefer drafting older players, all else being equal, due to the maturity element). The so-called "bigger window" from drafting a younger player doesn't play out in reality since the average age of peak NBA players is still 27 as it has been for years and the average age of NBA championship teams is 28.7. I never made any comment about Chet's age being a good or bad thing whatsoever. If you think you've "got me" in some way in that regard, quote the post.

What you've done here is like claiming that a Chevy truck has better quality than a Ford, I state that there's data showing Ford trucks to have higher quality ratings, then you come back with "Ah hah! But the Chevy truck gets better gas mileage! I knew you'd bite." But don't be discouraged. You might get it right one day. Just not this time.

[jakebernat]

Bit on what? I simply said that empirical data shows that draft age in and of itself has no bearing on building a winning team faster, and you’ve presented no argument to the contrary. Had you said that Smith was stronger and that was a reason to draft him over Chet I wouldn’t have disagreed and said that Chet was stronger; I’ve consistently said that Chet needs more weight/strength or he’s going to get pushed around in the NBA. But I appreciate your passion and effort, misguided though it is. And that’s ok; you’re always going to miss some pitches at first. Keep swinging.

lol give the theatrics a rest my guy. Chet is light years behind everyone in terms of strength, so it absolutely matters that he’s already a year older than everyone in his class. stop dressing up your posts to say absolutely nothing that 3 words could’ve said.

you’ve been commenting on Chet’s age for a little while now and how it doesn’t matter, so you “bit” on that part of my post. you and i both know I shouldn’t have to spell that out for you.

You've got some serious delusion going on there. You made a point about Smith being younger than Chet and that being a good thing. I argued that the year of age difference didn't matter, then you come back with "Ah hah! But Smith is stronger! I knew you'd bite!" Which of course makes no sense whatsoever in a "Gotcha!" sense since they're two separate points. The only thing I've argued about Chet specifically is that he DOES need to get bigger and stronger. And the only argument I've made about age is that drafting younger, i.e. one-and-done's vs 22 year old seniors who are deemed "too old," is that age doesn't matter in the grand scheme (although I do prefer drafting older players, all else being equal, due to the maturity element). The so-called "bigger window" from drafting a younger player doesn't play out in reality since the average age of peak NBA players is still 27 as it has been for years and the average age of NBA championship teams is 28.7. I never made any comment about Chet's age being a good or bad thing whatsoever. If you think you've "got me" in some way in that regard, quote the post.

What you've done here is like claiming that a Chevy truck has better quality than a Ford, I state that there's data showing Ford trucks to have higher quality ratings, then you come back with "Ah hah! But the Chevy truck gets better gas mileage! I knew you'd bite." But don't be discouraged. You might get it right one day. Just not this time.

give the cross-analogies a rest homie, they make you look desperate for attention.

the ONLY thing I said that I’ll walk back is that Jabari is “much” younger than Chet. other than that, I stand by him having more room to grow whereas Chet has been on standby in terms of physical growth for a couple years now. i don’t need an apples to oranges analogy to explain that to you.

it IS a good thing that smith is younger and light years ahead of Chet physically. the only delusion here is your refusal to accept that.

good on you for giving me the average championship team age though. that really ties your argument together.

you got got. i go get.

[Manocad]

lol give the theatrics a rest my guy. Chet is light years behind everyone in terms of strength, so it absolutely matters that he’s already a year older than everyone in his class. stop dressing up your posts to say absolutely nothing that 3 words could’ve said.

you’ve been commenting on Chet’s age for a little while now and how it doesn’t matter, so you “bit” on that part of my post. you and i both know I shouldn’t have to spell that out for you.

You've got some serious delusion going on there. You made a point about Smith being younger than Chet and that being a good thing. I argued that the year of age difference didn't matter, then you come back with "Ah hah! But Smith is stronger! I knew you'd bite!" Which of course makes no sense whatsoever in a "Gotcha!" sense since they're two separate points. The only thing I've argued about Chet specifically is that he DOES need to get bigger and stronger. And the only argument I've made about age is that drafting younger, i.e. one-and-done's vs 22 year old seniors who are deemed "too old," is that age doesn't matter in the grand scheme (although I do prefer drafting older players, all else being equal, due to the maturity element). The so-called "bigger window" from drafting a younger player doesn't play out in reality since the average age of peak NBA players is still 27 as it has been for years and the average age of NBA championship teams is 28.7. I never made any comment about Chet's age being a good or bad thing whatsoever. If you think you've "got me" in some way in that regard, quote the post.

What you've done here is like claiming that a Chevy truck has better quality than a Ford, I state that there's data showing Ford trucks to have higher quality ratings, then you come back with "Ah hah! But the Chevy truck gets better gas mileage! I knew you'd bite." But don't be discouraged. You might get it right one day. Just not this time.

give the cross-analogies a rest homie, they make you look desperate for attention.

the ONLY thing I said that I’ll walk back is that Jabari is “much” younger than Chet. other than that, I stand by him having more room to grow whereas Chet has been on standby in terms of physical growth for a couple years now. i don’t need an apples to oranges analogy to explain that to you.

it IS a good thing that smith is younger and light years ahead of Chet physically. the only delusion here is your refusal to accept that.

good on you for giving me the average championship team age though. that really ties your argument together.

you got got. i go get.

In no way did you make an argument that the disadvantage to drafting Chet at an older age was due to his lack of comparative strength development to Smith until after your proclaimed “Gotcha!” victory. Your continued insistence of which is a cry for attention/validation.

As I’ve repeatedly said, I’ve always argued that Chet’s weakness is his size and strength; I never denied that was an issue. That’s an issue regardless of what his age is. Nor did I ever argue that Chet was a better choice even though Smith was stronger. I even pointed out that had you made that argument initially about Smith being a better pick because he was stronger I wouldn’t have disagreed. I made one argument—age in and of itself makes no difference, which was the only factor you identified in your original post—Smith is a better pick because he’s younger. You really need to take a debate class if you want to go this route again.

Go get your trophy made if it makes you feel better but you’re taking this way too seriously.

[Piston Pete]

Maybe when you guys are done measuring each other’s d1cks, we could get back to talking draft prospects?!?

[Manocad]

Maybe when you guys are done measuring each other’s d1cks, we could get back to talking draft prospects?!?

As you post nothing about a draft prospect. Way to think it through.

[MotownMadness]

Looks like yesterday was good games from all the top 3 bigs.

[MotownMadness]

Interesting watch, I agree with the Griffin hype. He does give me Jimmy Butler type vibes.

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Chard Fords Big Board 3.0

1. Jabari Smith
2. Chet Holmgren
3. Paolo Banchero
4. Jaden Ivey
5. Johnny Davis
6. AJ Griffin
7. Kendall Brown
8. Keegan Murray
9. Jaden Hardy
10. Bennedict Mathurin

[Piston Pete]

Looks like yesterday was good games from all the top 3 bigs.

Banchero had the best day (efficient 20 points, 8 rebs, 2 blocks) vs Miami.

Holmgren did well too, but it was vs Pepperdine.

Smith had a bit of an off day (13 points, 5 Rebs) vs Florida.

Ivey had an off day as well (inefficient 13 points, 7 rebs, only 1 assist).