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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#341 » by Crymson » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:25 am

dVs33 wrote:Beasley struggled in the playoffs, but I don't think the team gets there without him, so he has to come back imo.


Agreed. He was the team's second most important player on offense, without a doubt.

Ivey coming back makes Schroeder slightly less important, but I would still like to bring him back.

Obviously that all depends on contract numbers, but if it's feasible, bring those 2 back.


Ivey isn't ideal as a lead handler, and having him be the backup handler means staggering him and Cade a lot of the time rather than allowing them to play together as much as possible.

The Pistons looked a lot better with Schroder leading the second unit than with Ivey.

theBigLip wrote:We also have no tradeable contracts except Font. Signing all of Beasley, Schroeder and THJ, if done at the right price and length, gives us some salaries to use in a trade. As for playing time and blocking the development of our youngsters, that’s up to the coach. Also up to Ausar, Ivey and Holland. Need to prove yourself at some point, especially Ivey since he’s been around the longest.


I feel like this minutes spread wouldn't block development at all:

PG: Cade 32, Schroder 16
SG: Ivey 30, Beasley 10, Schroder 8
SF: Ausar 14, Holland 20, Beasley 14
PF: Tobias 32, Ausar 16
C: Whatever

Once again not having a viable secondary lead handler, however, could be (once again) bad for development, because the offense is likely to once again die with Cade off the floor... and goodness forbid Cade himself is out of the lineup, because it would then have no viable lead handler at all.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#342 » by He Filled it Up » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:32 pm

I was more on the hold a develop side, but the Halliburton injury really changes things in the short term in our conference. Cleveland, New York, and Orlando each have pretty significant question marks. Boston, Indy, Philly, and Milwaukee have massive injuries.
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Post#343 » by DetroitSho » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:26 pm

I will never be for a slow play or any strategy that's not trying to win. There's literally no reason this team couldn't do exactly what the Pacers just did. I absolutely LOOOOAAAAATHE the idea of waiting our turn. Go tf out there and TAKE it.

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Post#344 » by MrBigShot » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:51 pm

The east may never be as depleted as it will be next year.

I'm all in and hope Trajan has the same mentality. Goal is to hold up the Larry O'brien.
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Post#345 » by DetroitSho » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:33 pm

MrBigShot wrote:The east may never be as depleted as it will be next year.

I'm all in and hope Trajan has the same mentality. Goal is to hold up the Larry O'brien.
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Post#346 » by LaSheed » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:38 pm

The basketball gods are forcing Langdons hands after the unfortunate Haliburton injury. Sometimes patience closes a window. Go for it.
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Post#347 » by MotownMadness » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:09 am

Unless they can get Markkanen or Murphy or something I’m not sure what’s out there. Stuff usually happens out of nowhere though so we’ll see.
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Post#348 » by MotownMadness » Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:19 pm

Trajan: "We’re not going to be super aggressive this summer I don’t think, I don’t foresee any of that. It’s just developing from within and hopefully keep the guys we brought in last year."
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Post#349 » by Kilo » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:34 pm

Ivey, Holland and Thompson are all unknowns that have pennies on the potential dollar trade value. Hands are tied for big moves this offseason.
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Post#350 » by Canadafan » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:13 am

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Post#351 » by ducler » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:45 am

Kings can offer him a starting job and full MLE. We can match the dollars but not the minutes.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#352 » by Canadafan » Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:38 am

ducler wrote:Kings can offer him a starting job and full MLE. We can match the dollars but not the minutes.


Ya, hope he picks us if that's the case. Indy had McConnell and Mathurin (and Shepherd)off their bench so there's no reason for us to think we can have Beasley and Shröder off ours
A little extra cash thrown his way shouldn't hamstring us at all
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#353 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:58 pm

Never really thought we could bring Dennis back.

He was a terrific rental who did what we needed him to do, but the role and salary we have to offer him, particularly with Ivey back, are below what he would likely get.

Yes he and Ivey are very different, but they’re pulling from the same pool of guard minutes.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#354 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:01 pm

Kilo wrote:Ivey, Holland and Thompson are all unknowns that have pennies on the potential dollar trade value. Hands are tied for big moves this offseason.

This.

Strange as it is to say, but despite our resurgence, we aren’t particularly flush with assets. A large component of that improvement was Cade (who we aren’t moving), veterans we added (who are either free agents or don’t have much trade value), and coaching changes. Duren and Ivey have less value than they did a year ago due to contract status and injury in Ivey’s case. And Ausar and Holland are still very raw. And beyond that we have our own first round picks (after this year) and no first rounders from other teams. It’s not an impressive warchest.

I wanted us to go out and add a starter at the very least, but it might still be prudent to lean on internal improvement.

We need to hope that our young guys get better and that Ivey proves to be a significant “offseason addition”.
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Post#355 » by bstein14 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:06 pm

We still have two options to chose.... operate as an under the salary cap team or operate as a team over the cap with MLE $ to spend.

If we operate as a team over we should have no problem offering Schroeder something like 2 years $25 million if he wants to stay in a limited backup role. We'd have MLE $ to offer Beasley. That said, as others have mentioned... he might not really want to stay in a role in which he plays 20 MPG off the bench.
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Post#356 » by the_l_train » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:29 pm

Snakebites wrote:Never really thought we could bring Dennis back.

He was a terrific rental who did what we needed him to do, but the role and salary we have to offer him, particularly with Ivey back, are below what he would likely get.

Yes he and Ivey are very different, but they’re pulling from the same pool of guard minutes.


Welp, looks like the Kings are zeroing in on Schroder.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/06/kings-viewed-as-a-leading-suitor-for-dennis-schroder.html#ref=home

“The Kings are viewed as a leading suitor for free agent point guard Dennis Schröder, according to league sources who have spoken to Marc Stein and Jake Fischer of The Stein Line“

That sucks.

For the millionth time, staggering Ivey as our backup point guard is just beyond dumb. Hope Trajan had something up his sleeve or else we are hoping Sasser takes a step. Maybe he takes another stab at Tyus Jones.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#357 » by Snakebites » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:31 pm

the_l_train wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Never really thought we could bring Dennis back.

He was a terrific rental who did what we needed him to do, but the role and salary we have to offer him, particularly with Ivey back, are below what he would likely get.

Yes he and Ivey are very different, but they’re pulling from the same pool of guard minutes.


Welp, looks like the Kings are zeroing in on Schroder.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/06/kings-viewed-as-a-leading-suitor-for-dennis-schroder.html#ref=home

“The Kings are viewed as a leading suitor for free agent point guard Dennis Schröder, according to league sources who have spoken to Marc Stein and Jake Fischer of The Stein Line“

That sucks.

For the millionth time, staggering Ivey as our backup point guard is just beyond dumb. Hope Trajan had something up his sleeve or else we are hoping Sasser takes a step.

Honestly if you feel that Ivey can’t play minutes at the point then he’s not a fit on this roster as currently constructed, particularly if we’re bringing Malik back.

And you might be right. We’ll see.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#358 » by theBigLip » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:46 pm

I wanted Schroeder back and just assumed we’d get him. But he is a bit of a luxury and we might be able to get someone less expensive.
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#359 » by the_l_train » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:47 pm

Snakebites wrote:
the_l_train wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Never really thought we could bring Dennis back.

He was a terrific rental who did what we needed him to do, but the role and salary we have to offer him, particularly with Ivey back, are below what he would likely get.

Yes he and Ivey are very different, but they’re pulling from the same pool of guard minutes.


Welp, looks like the Kings are zeroing in on Schroder.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/06/kings-viewed-as-a-leading-suitor-for-dennis-schroder.html#ref=home

“The Kings are viewed as a leading suitor for free agent point guard Dennis Schröder, according to league sources who have spoken to Marc Stein and Jake Fischer of The Stein Line“

That sucks.

For the millionth time, staggering Ivey as our backup point guard is just beyond dumb. Hope Trajan had something up his sleeve or else we are hoping Sasser takes a step.

Honestly if you feel that Ivey can’t play minutes at the point then he’s not a fit on this roster as currently constructed, particularly if we’re bringing Malik back.

And you might be right. We’ll see.


Ivey can play minutes at point in a pinch, but we literally watched it last year and it was underwhelming. If we had a starting caliber SG ahead of him, that is a different story. Can’t stretch him so thin and expect him to play starting SG and backup PG efficiently every night…he is better off ball, especially now that he is a 3 point threat.

Losing Schroder and not backfilling him is a clear step back. Maybe Dennis decides to stick with his buddy Beasley and stay with a winning team in a weaker conference…
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Re: Run it Back or Upgrade? 

Post#360 » by theBigLip » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:48 pm

It would be nice if Sasser took a big step up.

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