2020-2021 NBA Prospects/ NBA Draft

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[DNice68]

Really liked the way Green played today.

[MotownMadness]

Really liked the way Green played today.

Having trouble finding a box score.

[DNice68]

Really liked the way Green played today.

Having trouble finding a box score.

21 points, 5 boards, 8/12 from the field. Played good d to close the game. Kuminga was 7/15 24 points, 6 boards, 4 assists.

[Pharaoh]

Really would prefer Cade due to his size and playmaking ability.

People talk about small ball as if it's all about speed and switching in the perimeter - it's not!

It's about having 3, 4 or even 5 guys out there that can actually make plays with the ball in their hands and not be relegated to the dunker spot or is useless outside 15 feet (see Philly now with shooters)

Assume we land Cade long term we could be looking at:

Hayes
Cade
Jackson
Grant
Plumlee - Stewart

That's a nice line up assuming Hayes can figure things out. At worst he's the 4th option offensively, not a franchise saviour.

That also assumes we don't use the remainder of Blake's cap space to sign a quality player and only retain Jackson.

Bench would be a issue but:

Bey could be like Dice (6th starter), Sekou (still on his rookie deal), 2021 TOR & CHA 2nd round picks, our 2022 pick, maybe Svi gets brought back, maybe Lee gets a full blown contract, maybe Wright is brought back too.

Very young team overall but the potential is greater than anything we've had in a long long time.

And if not Cade I'd want Mobley. Use him as a 4 as a rookie:

Plumlee - Stewart
Mobley - Sekou
Grant - Bey
Jackson - Svi?
Hayes - Wright? - Lee?

Plus the 2022 pick, the TOR & CHA 2021 2nds



Maybe that's me but there's lots to look forward to

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[ducler]

I'm starting to look at the options we'll have with the 7th or 8th pick...

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[DET_Athletics]

Really would prefer Cade due to his size and playmaking ability.

People talk about small ball as if it's all about speed and switching in the perimeter - it's not!

It's about having 3, 4 or even 5 guys out there that can actually make plays with the ball in their hands and not be relegated to the dunker spot or is useless outside 15 feet (see Philly now with shooters)

Assume we land Cade long term we could be looking at:

Hayes
Cade
Jackson
Grant
Plumlee - Stewart

That's a nice line up assuming Hayes can figure things out. At worst he's the 4th option offensively, not a franchise saviour.

That also assumes we don't use the remainder of Blake's cap space to sign a quality player and only retain Jackson.

Bench would be a issue but:

Bey could be like Dice (6th starter), Sekou (still on his rookie deal), 2021 TOR & CHA 2nd round picks, our 2022 pick, maybe Svi gets brought back, maybe Lee gets a full blown contract, maybe Wright is brought back too.

Very young team overall but the potential is greater than anything we've had in a long long time.

And if not Cade I'd want Mobley. Use him as a 4 as a rookie:

Plumlee - Stewart
Mobley - Sekou
Grant - Bey
Jackson - Svi?
Hayes - Wright? - Lee?

Plus the 2022 pick, the TOR & CHA 2021 2nds



Maybe that's me but there's lots to look forward to

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I am with you completely, except I sub Bey for jackson on the bench. Jackson needs the ball in his hands to be effective. I don't think that happens as much with Hayes and Cade sharing a backcourt. Also throwing money at a big like Davis from Memphis, Mo Bamba, Bagley III or Allen from Cleveland. Or you could trade for Turner from the pacers. But we are going to need some length for shot blocking and rim protection.

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[Pharaoh]

I actually wanted Giles this past off-season.

Agree Jackson as the 6th man likely suits the line up better:

Hayes, Cade, Bey, Grant, Plumlee

Wright, Jackson, Sekou, Stewart



That's a versatile group and still haven't included the 2022 pick, those 2021 2nds or any free agent we might add with the rest of Blake's money.

Also just noticed Wright expires when Jackson does, which is when Blake comes off the books.

That's a nice alignment for us considering we'll have Bird Rights on Wright

Really would prefer Cade due to his size and playmaking ability.

People talk about small ball as if it's all about speed and switching in the perimeter - it's not!

It's about having 3, 4 or even 5 guys out there that can actually make plays with the ball in their hands and not be relegated to the dunker spot or is useless outside 15 feet (see Philly now with shooters)

Assume we land Cade long term we could be looking at:

Hayes
Cade
Jackson
Grant
Plumlee - Stewart

That's a nice line up assuming Hayes can figure things out. At worst he's the 4th option offensively, not a franchise saviour.

That also assumes we don't use the remainder of Blake's cap space to sign a quality player and only retain Jackson.

Bench would be a issue but:

Bey could be like Dice (6th starter), Sekou (still on his rookie deal), 2021 TOR & CHA 2nd round picks, our 2022 pick, maybe Svi gets brought back, maybe Lee gets a full blown contract, maybe Wright is brought back too.

Very young team overall but the potential is greater than anything we've had in a long long time.

And if not Cade I'd want Mobley. Use him as a 4 as a rookie:

Plumlee - Stewart
Mobley - Sekou
Grant - Bey
Jackson - Svi?
Hayes - Wright? - Lee?

Plus the 2022 pick, the TOR & CHA 2021 2nds



Maybe that's me but there's lots to look forward to

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I am with you completely, except I sub Bey for jackson on the bench. Jackson needs the ball in his hands to be effective. I don't think that happens as much with Hayes and Cade sharing a backcourt. Also throwing money at a big like Davis from Memphis, Mo Bamba, Bagley III or Allen from Cleveland. Or you could trade for Turner from the pacers. But we are going to need some length for shot blocking and rim protection.

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[The Moose]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

fivethirtyeight has us finishing 2nd last atm, we have been moving up steadily. I think we are pretty safe to finish bottom 5, but hard to believe we will finish last with the way we've been playing

[buzzkilloton]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

fivethirtyeight has us finishing 2nd last atm, we have been moving up steadily. I think we are pretty safe to finish bottom 5, but hard to believe we will finish last with the way we've been playing

A month ago they projected us worst by 5 games. This team is pulling some big upsets. I could see us finishing anywhere from worst-7th worst at this point.

[DET_Athletics]

I actually wanted Giles this past off-season.

Agree Jackson as the 6th man likely suits the line up better:

Hayes, Cade, Bey, Grant, Plumlee

Wright, Jackson, Sekou, Stewart



That's a versatile group and still haven't included the 2022 pick, those 2021 2nds or any free agent we might add with the rest of Blake's money.

Also just noticed Wright expires when Jackson does, which is when Blake comes off the books.

That's a nice alignment for us considering we'll have Bird Rights on Wright

Really would prefer Cade due to his size and playmaking ability.

People talk about small ball as if it's all about speed and switching in the perimeter - it's not!

It's about having 3, 4 or even 5 guys out there that can actually make plays with the ball in their hands and not be relegated to the dunker spot or is useless outside 15 feet (see Philly now with shooters)

Assume we land Cade long term we could be looking at:

Hayes
Cade
Jackson
Grant
Plumlee - Stewart

That's a nice line up assuming Hayes can figure things out. At worst he's the 4th option offensively, not a franchise saviour.

That also assumes we don't use the remainder of Blake's cap space to sign a quality player and only retain Jackson.

Bench would be a issue but:

Bey could be like Dice (6th starter), Sekou (still on his rookie deal), 2021 TOR & CHA 2nd round picks, our 2022 pick, maybe Svi gets brought back, maybe Lee gets a full blown contract, maybe Wright is brought back too.

Very young team overall but the potential is greater than anything we've had in a long long time.

And if not Cade I'd want Mobley. Use him as a 4 as a rookie:

Plumlee - Stewart
Mobley - Sekou
Grant - Bey
Jackson - Svi?
Hayes - Wright? - Lee?

Plus the 2022 pick, the TOR & CHA 2021 2nds



Maybe that's me but there's lots to look forward to

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I am with you completely, except I sub Bey for jackson on the bench. Jackson needs the ball in his hands to be effective. I don't think that happens as much with Hayes and Cade sharing a backcourt. Also throwing money at a big like Davis from Memphis, Mo Bamba, Bagley III or Allen from Cleveland. Or you could trade for Turner from the pacers. But we are going to need some length for shot blocking and rim protection.

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I wouldn't have been mad with a Giles pick up, but if we land Cade, this team is a unicorn stretch big from true competition (someone who is capable of shot blocking and running the floor at the very least). I'm not sold on holgrem being that 2022, his frame is way too light and I don't think he would be able to put on good weight, so we need to find it elsewhere(via trade or free agency). And your right about jackson. Even with his great play, I think 10 million anual increase on his salary keeps him in a Pistons uniform for at least 3 years when his contract is up and we don't loose Wright in the process of we are willing to pay. My hope is Blake shuts it down early this year, completely focuses on Physical therapy and has a strong showing early 21-22 season. Trade him and possibly picks to Toronto for Vanvleet.

Hayes/ Vanvleet/ DSJ
Cade/ jackson/Svi
Bey/Sekou
Grant/Draft pick 2022
2022 free agent- Stewart

This is my dream situation.

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[Pharaoh]

Think the Raps are looking to move Lowry to a better situation and go with FVV as their lead guard.

Kinda funny that after the tank the guy we'd want is a Wood clone but couldn't get to that point with him here!

I do honestly think him and Grant as a 1 2 punch would have elevated us into the playoffs and it's been clear to me from day one Weaver isn't operating under the same restrictions other Gores GMs had to work within.

I remember when SVG was hired (yeah, I was a big advocate of it at the time) Gores stated repeatedly that our fanbase had suffered "enough".

What's happened since? More suffering!

We can all disagree with certain moves this FO has made but we do look primed to make a quick come up.

I don't foresee anything major next off-season - Draft picks and MLE is about it.

It's next season and that off-season that is crucial cause we'll have flexibility with Blake coming off the books.

Not sure who the cap guru is here now but IF we have Early Bird Rights on JJ does that mean he could sign for the league average salary? And are we able to exceed the cap IF we retain him in that way?

Could we sign someone using the space we get from Blake "walking" (limping) out the door then retain Wright with his Bird Rights, JJ with his Early Bird Rights and call it a day?

Hayes, Wright, Lee
Cade, Jackson, 2021 CHA 2nd round pick
2022 FA, Bey, 2021 TOR 2nd round pick
Grant, 2022 Lotto pick, Sekou
Plumlee, Stewart

With the 2022 pick being a 4/5 "modern" big

By the time the 22-23 season ends where do we sit?

Do we retain Grant? Do we bring back Plumlee?

Interesting times ahead at least and I for one am actually hopeful about our future for a change. Been too long!

Maybe that's why I rail against the hate Weaver has got on here?

I actually wanted Giles this past off-season.

Agree Jackson as the 6th man likely suits the line up better:

Hayes, Cade, Bey, Grant, Plumlee

Wright, Jackson, Sekou, Stewart



That's a versatile group and still haven't included the 2022 pick, those 2021 2nds or any free agent we might add with the rest of Blake's money.

Also just noticed Wright expires when Jackson does, which is when Blake comes off the books.

That's a nice alignment for us considering we'll have Bird Rights on Wright

I am with you completely, except I sub Bey for jackson on the bench. Jackson needs the ball in his hands to be effective. I don't think that happens as much with Hayes and Cade sharing a backcourt. Also throwing money at a big like Davis from Memphis, Mo Bamba, Bagley III or Allen from Cleveland. Or you could trade for Turner from the pacers. But we are going to need some length for shot blocking and rim protection.

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I wouldn't have been mad with a Giles pick up, but if we land Cade, this team is a unicorn stretch big from true competition (someone who is capable of shot blocking and running the floor at the very least). I'm not sold on holgrem being that 2022, his frame is way too light and I don't think he would be able to put on good weight, so we need to find it elsewhere(via trade or free agency). And your right about jackson. Even with his great play, I think 10 million anual increase on his salary keeps him in a Pistons uniform for at least 3 years when his contract is up and we don't loose Wright in the process of we are willing to pay. My hope is Blake shuts it down early this year, completely focuses on Physical therapy and has a strong showing early 21-22 season. Trade him and possibly picks to Toronto for Vanvleet.

Hayes/ Vanvleet/ DSJ
Cade/ jackson/Svi
Bey/Sekou
Grant/Draft pick 2022
2022 free agent- Stewart

This is my dream situation.

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[Piston Pete]

Mentally preparing myself for another #7 pick.

Who can we get at 7?

[aad]

Jaden Springer

[bstein14]

Hayes coming back will bring us back down to earth.

[MotownMadness]

Jaden Springer

Yeah I really like him if we fall out of the top 5

[NYPiston]

A month ago they projected us worst by 5 games. This team is pulling some big upsets. I could see us finishing anywhere from worst-7th worst at this point.

I'd be shocked if the Pistons finished last. The Wizards and Wolves are just horrendous and the Pistons are better than their record indicates to be honest. I won't count the Cavs out as a team that bottoms out either, Bulls, Thunder and Magic are all strong candidates as well to take a stumble down the standings.

We also have to keep in mind how tough the Pistons schedule has been. Just about every game has been against a playoff contender. They haven't played the Wizards, Knicks, Bulls, Hornets or Magic yet. The second half schedule is going to be breeze, on paper, in comparison to the first half. Factor in that the Pistons always lose lotteries so prepare for a 5-8 pick at best.

[edmunder_prc]

Factor in the end of the year wins that Casey will white knuckle the Pistons in to. That will drop us down at least 5 spots.

Last year when the team was trying to tank, Casey was bringing out Brandon Knight, McRae, Langston Galloway, Wood, Henson line ups and playing the rookies in single digit minutes.

This was after a fire sale. Getting rid of Reggie Jackson, Morris and Drummond.

Casey is going for the playoffs and when all the other teams "rest" all their players, Casey is going to be playing all the vets 35 minutes a game to secure those awesome wins that put us into the teens pick. Again.

[Manocad]

Factor in the end of the year wins that Casey will white knuckle the Pistons in to. That will drop us down at least 5 spots.

Last year when the team was trying to tank, Casey was bringing out Brandon Knight, McRae, Langston Galloway, Wood, Henson line ups and playing the rookies in single digit minutes.

This was after a fire sale. Getting rid of Reggie Jackson, Morris and Drummond.

Casey is going for the playoffs and when all the other teams "rest" all their players, Casey is going to be playing all the vets 35 minutes a game to secure those awesome wins that put us into the teens pick. Again.

So last year "the team" was trying to tank but Casey was trying to win games? Are you suggesting that the players were intentionally trying to lose?

You're all over the map here. First, Morris was gone after the 2016-17 season so he has nothing to do with last year and was gone before Casey was coach. Jackson played 14 games and Drummond 57 of 66 games last year. And considering that the Pistons were 12-21 in the first half of the season and 8-25 in the second half including a WHOPPING 3-18 finish, where were all those white knuckle wins that dropped the Pistons into a pick in the teens when they picked 7th in the last draft? Casey's first year was 41-41 resulting in the 15th pick; what was he supposed to do? Walk in the door right after Blake Griffin had been signed the year before and tank? Not to mention, since when did playing all the vets big minutes this year result in wins? That's when the team looks at its WORST.

This may be your most ridiculous post so far.

[DNice68]

A month ago they projected us worst by 5 games. This team is pulling some big upsets. I could see us finishing anywhere from worst-7th worst at this point.

I'd be shocked if the Pistons finished last. The Wizards and Wolves are just horrendous and the Pistons are better than their record indicates to be honest. I won't count the Cavs out as a team that bottoms out either, Bulls, Thunder and Magic are all strong candidates as well to take a stumble down the standings.

We also have to keep in mind how tough the Pistons schedule has been. Just about every game has been against a playoff contender. They haven't played the Wizards, Knicks, Bulls, Hornets or Magic yet. The second half schedule is going to be breeze, on paper, in comparison to the first half. Factor in that the Pistons always lose lotteries so prepare for a 5-8 pick at best.[/quote]

I think the Wolves will pick thing’s up with Towns back. The Pistons don’t play well against bad teams. They also only beat good teams when that team doesn’t bring their A game. They still suck enough to finish after after the Wizards.