Run it Back or Upgrade?

[ducler]

Sasser is a PG the same way Ivey is a PG.

[the_l_train]

It would be nice if Sasser took a big step up.

I believe that he can be a serviceable player in this league…Comfortable with him as a break-glass-if-needed 3rd PG. If he can blossom into a backup, I’d still like to have a reliable guy like Schroder in the meantime and ship him out at the deadline worst case if Sasser proves ready.

[LaSheed]

Ugh so frustrating seeing Brooklyn being a 3rd team in a trade and getting 1st round picks while rebuilding. Thanks Troy you bum

[Invictus88]

It would be nice if Sasser took a big step up.

I believe that he can be a serviceable player in this league…Comfortable with him as a break-glass-if-needed 3rd PG. If he can blossom into a backup, I’d still like to have a reliable guy like Schroder in the meantime and ship him out at the deadline worst case if Sasser proves ready.

Sasser has been given ample pg opportunities at every stage and has consistently failed to show the vision and facilitating mindset that you need in a pg. I don't see where the optimism in that area continues to come from.

[Snakebites]

Ugh so frustrating seeing Brooklyn being a 3rd team in a trade and getting 1st round picks while rebuilding. Thanks Troy you bum

Troy (and to be fair TL) were never willing to take non-expiring contracts.

Mann was non-expiring- that's why they got a first. He’s under contract until 2028.

You can disagree with that approach but let's be clear about what the problem actually was. It wasn't that Troy was a sucker who couldn't negotiate a better deal. It's that he wasn't willing to sacrifice longer term flexibility- we always only accepted expiring contracts- that's why we never got first rounders.

Not putting these words in your mouth in particular- I've just seen that particular narrative out there among Piston fans and it slightly misses the mark.

[the_l_train]

It would be nice if Sasser took a big step up.

I believe that he can be a serviceable player in this league…Comfortable with him as a break-glass-if-needed 3rd PG. If he can blossom into a backup, I’d still like to have a reliable guy like Schroder in the meantime and ship him out at the deadline worst case if Sasser proves ready.

Sasser has been given ample pg opportunities at every stage and has consistently failed to show the vision and facilitating mindset that you need in a pg. I don't see where the optimism in that area continues to come from.

I said serviceable player…not all point guards need to be your traditional pass-first John Stockton mindset. He’s a combo guard, and like the other guy said, just as much of a point guard as Ivey would be. For his size, makes more sense to plug him in as a 3rd PG than an undersized 2.

He was 3rd on our team in 3pt % at 38.2%. When called upon, he was steady and was a solid contributor. When Cade was out with the calf strain, he showed promise.

He’s still young and has shown flashes…that is where the optimism comes from, and he has shown enough to earn his roster spot and situational minutes. There is room to grow, and nobody here is calling him untouchable or a go-to rotational piece RIGHT NOW.

https://youtu.be/BXnQ5gWwig0?si=SQbva65lh9WdtWv_

[theBigLip]

It would be nice if Sasser took a big step up.

I believe that he can be a serviceable player in this league…Comfortable with him as a break-glass-if-needed 3rd PG. If he can blossom into a backup, I’d still like to have a reliable guy like Schroder in the meantime and ship him out at the deadline worst case if Sasser proves ready.

Sasser has been given ample pg opportunities at every stage and has consistently failed to show the vision and facilitating mindset that you need in a pg. I don't see where the optimism in that area continues to come from.

I don’t think the odds are great that Sasser becomes a solid backup PG, but it would be nice if he could since he’s already signed to a rookie deal. At least it’s not expensive as he tries to earn his way into the rotation.

But PG is like QB in the NFL. You need to run the show. And backups need to be steady and reliable. Having someone w experience like Schroeder was a great move. We need to do that again and force Sasser to try and beat them out.

[LaSheed]

Ugh so frustrating seeing Brooklyn being a 3rd team in a trade and getting 1st round picks while rebuilding. Thanks Troy you bum

Troy (and to be fair TL) were never willing to take non-expiring contracts.

Mann was non-expiring- that's why they got a first. He’s under contract until 2028.

You can disagree with that approach but let's be clear about what the problem actually was. It wasn't that Troy was a sucker who couldn't negotiate a better deal. It's that he wasn't willing to sacrifice longer term flexibility- we always only accepted expiring contracts- that's why we never got first rounders.

Not putting these words in your mouth in particular- I've just seen that particular narrative out there among Piston fans and it slightly misses the mark.

No you are right

[Kalamazoo317]

Sasser isn't a PG but he could be our version of TJ McConnell.

[Invictus88]

I believe that he can be a serviceable player in this league…Comfortable with him as a break-glass-if-needed 3rd PG. If he can blossom into a backup, I’d still like to have a reliable guy like Schroder in the meantime and ship him out at the deadline worst case if Sasser proves ready.

Sasser has been given ample pg opportunities at every stage and has consistently failed to show the vision and facilitating mindset that you need in a pg. I don't see where the optimism in that area continues to come from.

I said serviceable player…not all point guards need to be your traditional pass-first John Stockton mindset. He’s a combo guard, and like the other guy said, just as much of a point guard as Ivey would be. For his size, makes more sense to plug him in as a 3rd PG than an undersized 2.

He was 3rd on our team in 3pt % at 38.2%. When called upon, he was steady and was a solid contributor. When Cade was out with the calf strain, he showed promise.

He’s still young and has shown flashes…that is where the optimism comes from, and he has shown enough to earn his roster spot and situational minutes. There is room to grow, and nobody here is calling him untouchable or a go-to rotational piece RIGHT NOW.

https://youtu.be/BXnQ5gWwig0?si=SQbva65lh9WdtWv_

He's shown flashes as a scorer; as a sg that can create his own outside shot. I don't think you can really say the same when he plays the point.

Ivey was much better in long stretches as a rookie running an offense when Cade was out vs Sasser. He also benefits from being taller so he can more easily take minutes at the 2.

We agree that due to his height it makes more sense to slot that player in as a 1. But he doesn't fit in that role.

We have too many other players fighting for minutes at the 2 and 3.

[Billl]

I'd be surprised if sasser is on the roster on opening day. He's a hold over and was out of the rotation. There is no reasonable path where he's part of the rotation if everyone is healthy. Maybe he turns into a rotation player someday, but I doubt it will be for us.

[LaSheed]

Now that Celtics aren't a 2nd Apron team....Schroeder is likely gone which isn't shocking by any means. I say renounce our FA rights for the 17 mill in cap space.

Ivey + Stewart + Sasser + 28 unprotected 1st for White + Hauser.

Might have to throw in another 1st or atleast a swap in 27/29?

[Kilo]

Powder dry until TDL.

[theBigLip]

Now that Celtics aren't a 2nd Apron team....Schroeder is likely gone which isn't shocking by any means. I say renounce our FA rights for the 17 mill in cap space.

Ivey + Stewart + Sasser + 28 unprotected 1st for White + Hauser.

Might have to throw in another 1st or atleast a swap in 27/29?

I don’t think they part w White. Hauser seems like an easy pickup. Ivey could be White someday - rather not trade him too soon.

[zeebneeb]

If the Pistons trade Ivey, they will regret it. I say this as someone who hated the selection at the time. The first two years were brutal, but last season he came out focused, and his synergy with Cade, and Duren were fantastic.

I think out of sight, out of mind is happening a little to folks. Go back, if you have league pass, and watch Iveys games from last season. No way I'm moving him. At the very least, his trade value is going to skyrocket by the dealine, if the need arises. Moving him now would be incredibly shortsighted, unless an absolute killer move is being made.

[LaSheed]

Now that Celtics aren't a 2nd Apron team....Schroeder is likely gone which isn't shocking by any means. I say renounce our FA rights for the 17 mill in cap space.

Ivey + Stewart + Sasser + 28 unprotected 1st for White + Hauser.

Might have to throw in another 1st or atleast a swap in 27/29?

I don’t think they part w White. Hauser seems like an easy pickup. Ivey could be White someday - rather not trade him too soon.

Ooff. Don't think Ivey will ever be the defender White is but maybe! I know nothing lol

[MrBigShot]

Sasser put up 17/6/3 on 46/38/84 with 1.6 steals a game per 36 last year. I think he's a legit nba player and will be around playing mins elsewhere if not here.

Re: Derrick white: he doesn't get us over the hump, rather not part with young prospects if it's not for a flat out all star caliber player

[Canadafan]

Sasser put up 17/6/3 on 46/38/84 with 1.6 steals a game per 36 last year. I think he's a legit nba player and will be around playing mins elsewhere if not here.

Re: Derrick white: he doesn't get us over the hump, rather not part with young prospects if it's not for a flat out all star caliber player

I've had thoughts of resigning THJr Beasley and Shröder and using ivey in a trade to get us a forward. Cade Shröder THJr Beasley and Sasser man the guard spot.
Buttttt, I prefer to lose tim , keep ivey, and try and get a forward an easier way