PF targets

[Canadafan]

Report: Suns aggressively seeking Durant deal, lower asking price
https://thescore.com/nba/news/3295238

Let's just upgrade Tobias

He really should go back to Warriors for Kuminga Moody draft picks and whatever else. Him and Butler wanted to hook up In Phoenix so maybe there's a chance the Warriors can get him

Heild Moody and a newly signed and traded Kuminga. Is that even legal to do that though?

[the_l_train]

As I see it, there's the same issue: if Beasley and Schroder are back, he's positioned to play no minutes in the normal course of things.

You talking Laravia here?

[the_l_train]

Report: Suns aggressively seeking Durant deal, lower asking price
https://thescore.com/nba/news/3295238

Let's just upgrade Tobias

He really should go back to Warriors for Kuminga Moody draft picks and whatever else. Him and Butler wanted to hook up In Phoenix so maybe there's a chance the Warriors can get him

Heild Moody and a newly signed and traded Kuminga. Is that even legal to do that though?

Saw another article saying that all the teams may be waiting on the Giannis decision before they do anything. I hope that is not the case, and hoping a Durant deal opens the flood gates. Could see Bucks standing pat with Giannis or being super gun-shy on that decision.

Waiting for people to start posting about how we should not deal for Durant because he will take minutes from Tobias Abdul-Jabbar Harris

[Crymson]

As I see it, there's the same issue: if Beasley and Schroder are back, he's positioned to play no minutes in the normal course of things.

You talking Laravia here?

Aye. I figure that wherever he signs, he'll want to actually play.

[the_l_train]

As I see it, there's the same issue: if Beasley and Schroder are back, he's positioned to play no minutes in the normal course of things.

You talking Laravia here?

Aye. I figure that wherever he signs, he'll want to actually play.

He could get more minutes from San Antonio or even Denver...but it all depends on the other moves made. Fontechio/Paul Reed could be long gone. I'm sure if the money is right, he is confident enough in himself that he can earn his minutes. We really don't have enough PF depth for him to be too scared. Tobias is only getting older.

THJ could also be gone, and he could nab some of those SF minutes as well. Holland flexible enough to play 2-4 in a pinch, and too early to worry about minutes with so many what-ifs and moving pieces.

I think a move like this, basically allowing us to run it back and fill in some gaps, is way smarter then putting our eggs in the Aldama/Naz Reid basket.

[the_l_train]

Wow, Thibs fired.

i bet Knicks make strong push for Giannis and lose KAT/OG in the process.

[Crymson]

He could get more minutes from San Antonio or even Denver...but it all depends on the other moves made. Fontechio/Paul Reed could be long gone. I'm sure if the money is right, he is confident enough in himself that he can earn his minutes. We really don't have enough PF depth for him to be too scared. Tobias is only getting older.

THJ could also be gone, and he could nab some of those SF minutes as well. Holland flexible enough to play 2-4 in a pinch, and too early to worry about minutes with so many what-ifs and moving pieces.

I think a move like this, basically allowing us to run it back and fill in some gaps, is way smarter then putting our eggs in the Aldama/Naz Reid basket.

Fontecchio is on course to be out of the rotation if Beasley and Schroder are back, and Reed wasn't getting minutes unless one of Stew or Duren were out (and he's a center). I'd imagine Ausar or Holland will be taking on those backup PF minutes. There just won't be enough minutes to go around for them otherwise. THJ's minutes will be subsumed by Ivey's return.

On paper, LaRavia sounds like a solid get -- but he's got every incentive to go somewhere he'll get a significant rotation role.

[the_l_train]

He could get more minutes from San Antonio or even Denver...but it all depends on the other moves made. Fontechio/Paul Reed could be long gone. I'm sure if the money is right, he is confident enough in himself that he can earn his minutes. We really don't have enough PF depth for him to be too scared. Tobias is only getting older.

THJ could also be gone, and he could nab some of those SF minutes as well. Holland flexible enough to play 2-4 in a pinch, and too early to worry about minutes with so many what-ifs and moving pieces.

I think a move like this, basically allowing us to run it back and fill in some gaps, is way smarter then putting our eggs in the Aldama/Naz Reid basket.

Fontecchio is on course to be out of the rotation if Beasley and Schroder are back, and Reed wasn't getting minutes unless one of Stew or Duren were out (and he's a center). I'd imagine Ausar or Holland will be taking on those backup PF minutes. There just won't be enough minutes to go around for them otherwise. THJ's minutes will be subsumed by Ivey's return.

On paper, LaRavia sounds like a solid get -- but he's got every incentive to go somewhere he'll get a significant rotation role.

He already mentioned us as being on his radar. There has to be a reason why we are on his list.

No need to call the minutes police yet, off-season just getting started.

[Crymson]

He already mentioned us as being on his radar. There has to be a reason why we are on his list.

It's presumably because he himself sees it as a potential destination where he could get minutes. I doubt he's got an open line into the front office's plans, and I doubt they'd risk tampering penalties for a player of his quality.

No need to call the minutes police yet, off-season just getting started.

Sadly, there are no siren emojis here.

[Canadafan]

Report: Suns aggressively seeking Durant deal, lower asking price
https://thescore.com/nba/news/3295238

Let's just upgrade Tobias

Saw another article saying that all the teams may be waiting on the Giannis decision before they do anything. I hope that is not the case, and hoping a Durant deal opens the flood gates. Could see Bucks standing pat with Giannis or being super gun-shy on that decision.

Waiting for people to start posting about how we should not deal for Durant because he will take minutes from Tobias Abdul-Jabbar Harris

Durant would really be perfect for us. We got the Dawgs. We got the do it all guy in Cade. He just could really use a guy that can get a bucket like Durant.

[theBigLip]

Report: Suns aggressively seeking Durant deal, lower asking price
https://thescore.com/nba/news/3295238

Let's just upgrade Tobias

Saw another article saying that all the teams may be waiting on the Giannis decision before they do anything. I hope that is not the case, and hoping a Durant deal opens the flood gates. Could see Bucks standing pat with Giannis or being super gun-shy on that decision.

Waiting for people to start posting about how we should not deal for Durant because he will take minutes from Tobias Abdul-Jabbar Harris

Durant would really be perfect for us. We got the Dawgs. We got the do it all guy in Cade. He just could really use a guy that can get a bucket like Durant.

That would certainly help but what would we give up? Harris, Tek and Sassar and some seconds is all I would want to give up for a possible one year rental, and that package is easily beaten by other teams.

Better to stay the course, hope our young guys keep improving.

[bstein14]

How much do we hate this rotation?

C: Duren(26) / Brook Lopez (22)
PF: Tobias(27) / Stewart (21)
SF: Ausar (29) / Holland (19)
SG: Ivey (27) / Beasley (21) (Room Exception)
PG: Cade (33) / Sasser (15)

I know some here hate Stewart at PF... I think Lopez's floor spacing and interior defense makes that 2nd unit defense between him and Stew pretty insane. He probably could start over Duren still even though he's getting up there in age.

[daoneandonly]

What's the best offer Detroit would make for Anthony Davis?

[the_l_train]

What's the best offer Detroit would make for Anthony Davis?

No. Just no.

Might as well just dump whatever assets it would take into the toilet.

[the_l_train]

How much do we hate this rotation?

C: Duren(26) / Brook Lopez (22)
PF: Tobias(27) / Stewart (21)
SF: Ausar (29) / Holland (19)
SG: Ivey (27) / Beasley (21) (Room Exception)
PG: Cade (33) / Sasser (15)

I know some here hate Stewart at PF... I think Lopez's floor spacing and interior defense makes that 2nd unit defense between him and Stew pretty insane. He probably could start over Duren still even though he's getting up there in age.

Don’t hate it if the price is right.

Just crazy enough to work since Brook can stretch the floor and allow Stew to stay as our inside presence on offense, and they would raise hell on defense.

[Snakebites]

I don't personally take any rotation in which Stewart plays the four seriously. He has decent defensive versatility but is still best utilized on both ends as a 5.

[Crymson]

I don't personally take any rotation in which Stewart plays the four seriously. He has decent defensive versatility but is still best utilized on both ends as a 5.

Yeah, absolutely so. Stew at the four was a Weaver delusion. Weaver was obsessed with bigs and seems to have completely missed the critical ways in which Stew - Duren was very different from Mobley - Allen or Giannis - Lopez.

Stew is straight bad on offense at PF because he's so immobile for the position and unable to create offense, and he's wasted on defense there.

We're also looking at another hugely implausible ten-man rotation in this scenario. This one has Sasser, who has consistently fallen flat on his face as a handler, playing backup point guard again, as if that had not absolutely failed in that role this season.

[Snakebites]

I don't personally take any rotation in which Stewart plays the four seriously. He has decent defensive versatility but is still best utilized on both ends as a 5.

Yeah, absolutely so. Stew at the four was a Weaver delusion. Weaver was obsessed with bigs and seems to have completely missed the critical ways in which Stew - Duren was very different from Mobley - Allen or Giannis - Lopez.

Stew is straight bad on offense at PF because he's so immobile for the position and unable to create offense, and he's wasted on defense there.

We're also looking at another hugely implausible ten-man rotation in this scenario. This one has Sasser, who has consistently fallen flat on his face as a handler, playing backup point guard again, as if that had not absolutely failed in that role this season.

30 years ago he could be a 4. The days of enforcer type power forwards are dead and gone.

Shooting or at least playmaking is expected of them.

[Crymson]

30 years ago he could be a 4. The days of enforcer type power forwards are dead and gone.

Shooting or at least playmaking is expected of them.

NBA skill creep is relentless, and the minimum standard for everyone continues to rise. A player like Stew at power forward needs to be able to shoot, be mobile, attack closeouts, and make the right passes off the drive. He can do the first but not the next three.

If last season is any indication, there are many who do not understand that a guy who simply stands at the perimeter and does nothing else is almost invariably going to be a minus on offense in today's league.

[Snakebites]

30 years ago he could be a 4. The days of enforcer type power forwards are dead and gone.

Shooting or at least playmaking is expected of them.

NBA skill creep is relentless, and the minimum standard for everyone continues to rise. A player like Stew at power forward needs to be able to shoot, be mobile, attack closeouts, and make the right passes off the drive. He can do the first but not the next three.

If last season is any indication, there are many who do not understand that a guy who simply stands at the perimeter and does nothing else is almost invariably going to be a minus on offense in today's league.

I don’t even think we need theory here. We all saw what Stew did at the 4. We all saw him find a niche as a strong role player as a backup 5. That’s his role. He does it well. Either keep him in that role or move him.