The Trade Thread - v2

[Sheeeeed]

Based off of one season? The 2013 class isn't exactly loaded w talent. Also they just drafted PArker, who they'll start at PF. If that doesn't work, than Giannis probably becomes available.

No, if they have to move Parker to SF, they can just move Giannis to SG. He is that versatile, and hes supposedly grew another 2 inches since the season ended. They would be stupid to get rid of him so soon.

Highly doubt it, 6'11" SG is going to have trouble defending the Smaller SG's. And i don't think that trading one of your highly touted SF's for another highly touted SG is stupid.

Giannis is athletic enough to where that it won't be a problem. Paul George didn't have a problem defending SGs when the Pacers had to put him there when Granger was actually good and healthy.

Its stupid because the possibility Parker might not fit at PF isn't a good reason to trade Giannis when hes versatile enough to play both positions and only has been 1 year through his rookie contract. You're just reaching for a reason why he might become available.

[Kilo]

Atlanta trades Mo Williams and Nogueira (2013 first round pick center) to the Raps for John Salmons, who will be bought out for $1M tomorrow, saving the Hawks $6M in cap space.

Toronto gets a veteran PG and a young center prospect for their cap space. I assume this means Vasquez is surely a goner, though Masai will want to S&T him.

Who is Atlanta after with this cap space?

Supposedly looking at monroe, however i don't think they'd offer himt he max. would love milsap back in a S&T

I don't see why the Hawks would pursue Monroe when they have 2 better big men. Just doesn't make sense.

Horford and whom?

[Sheeeeed]

Supposedly looking at monroe, however i don't think they'd offer himt he max. would love milsap back in a S&T

I don't see why the Hawks would pursue Monroe when they have 2 better big men. Just doesn't make sense.

Horford and whom?

Horfords been injury prone too, It would surprise if that's the reason they want to go after Monroe.

[Q00]

One thing to consider that I forgot all about during the draft is the possibility that one of these teams interested in Monroe could've actually made their selection for us and we just don't know yet, because Monroe can't be traded til next week.

If you look at the teams rumored to be interested (Lakers and Atlanta) both took PFs. If the Pistons were looking to trade Monroe, and already have SFs targeted in FA, and already rumored to be trading Smith...the one position we could end up actually having the biggest need at could be PF.

And if you're SVG and don't want to pay Monroe max money, and see you can get a similar talent at PF from the draft in Randle/Payne on a rookie deal, maybe you make a deal behind the scenes on draft night with one of these teams to draft one of those guys for you, and then promise to trade them Monroe later in exchange.

You never know how these deals materialize. We could end up trading Monroe for one of those guys and years later find out the deal was agreed to on draft night.

[ADflight1]

I don't see why the Hawks would pursue Monroe when they have 2 better big men. Just doesn't make sense.

I may be wrong, but i believe i read a article on there interest. i'm just passing the word down

I hope they do want him. I'd love Millsap back in a S&T, like you. His offensive game is really versatile. Can post up, face up, hit the mid-range, and step behind the 3P line. Not a bad rebounder either.

I think he'd fit better next to Drummond than Monroe

Then hopefully Sac gets desperate enough to take Smith off our hands and we get one of their young guards back in a trade (Mac/Nik)

[Q00]

I don't see why the Hawks would pursue Monroe when they have 2 better big men. Just doesn't make sense.

I may be wrong, but i believe i read a article on there interest. i'm just passing the word down

I hope they do want him. I'd love Millsap back in a S&T, like you. His offensive game is really versatile. Can post up, face up, hit the mid-range, and step behind the 3P line. Not a bad rebounder either.

I think he'd fit better next to Drummond than Monroe

Then hopefully Sac gets desperate enough to take Smith off our hands and we get one of their young guards back in a trade (Mac/Nik)

Atlanta has 3 PFs (Horford/Millsap/Payne) and no Center. Pistons have 2 Centers and 1 PF in Smith (who they might be trading). So we actually might make good trade partners. We give them the Center they need and they give us one of their PFs, allowing us to trade Smith for McLemore.

[Q00]

Rob Mahoney of Sports Illustrated ranks his top FA big men and puts Monroe 3rd, with Bosh #1 and Dirk #2, but prefaces Dirk's ranking by saying its a forgone conclusion that he returns to Dallas so he doesn't really belong on the list (and the same could be said for Bosh/Miami). So in other words, the Pistons likely have the #1 FA big man on the market here. Surely we should have teams lining up to offer us the farm for him, right?

So why is there not a peep about any teams offering us anything for him?

Mahoney attempts to answer that question:

Monroe is skilled and useful, but what should we make of a big man who is neither all that efficient from the field nor a competent defender? Every team with cap space is now faced with that evaluative quandary, the Pistons first and foremost. The top item on Stan Van Gundy’s agenda as Detroit’s coach and team president is to determine what Monroe’s contributions are worth. That’s a difficult proposition in a vacuum made even more complicated by the presence of positional competitors in Andre Drummond and Josh Smith. Drummond is more promising than Monroe and Smith is more difficult to move, a combination that could lead to Monroe's eventual departure. Keep in mind that Monroe's exit wouldn't necessarily have to come in free agency. Detroit could very well treat Monroe like Denver handled Nene in 2011: a handsome new contract followed by quiet shopping on the trade market.

Regardless of where he ends up, Monroe is poised for a solid career as a post-up threat and offensive facilitator who reads the floor well. It’s unlikely that Monroe will develop into a star-level scorer (his output and efficiency have barely budged over his last three seasons), but teams will still pay a premium for a player who can average a sturdy double-double. Monroe put up 17 points and 10 rebounds per 36 minutes in each of his last three seasons, uncommon production that offers real value. How much value, precisely, is left for his suitors to decide.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/06/27/2014-f ... reg-monroe

[Q00]

The part about Nene is interesting. The Nuggets signed him to a 5 yr, 67 mil deal in December 2011, and then traded him by the end of that season.

If we resigned Monroe, what is the earliest we could trade him?

[Kilo]

Middle of December IIRC but only if Monroe would agree to it. A full year without Monroe's okay.

[Blkbrd671]

The part about Nene is interesting. The Nuggets signed him to a 5 yr, 67 mil deal in December 2011, and then traded him by the end of that season.

If we resigned Monroe, what is the earliest we could trade him?

Dec 15th i believe

[jakebernat]

I would gladly take korver, payne, and schroeder for moose.

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[Kilo]

Looks like Atlanta made the move to go hard after Deng. Makes sense for both the Hawks and Deng.

[Ghost]

I would gladly take korver, payne, and schroeder for moose.

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That would be pretty amazing since it would fix a lot of this team's problems, and Payne fits next to Drummond extremely well in my head. Not sure if Atlanta would do it, or what to think of Schroeder, we could have another developmental guard or we could just use him as an asset for another trade :?

[coolness]

this would get trolled of course as homerism, but some real-life trades resemble these. maybe.

#1
Smoove
for
Terry(exp), Outlaw(exp), Williams(exp), and rights to Stauskas

#2
Det out: Jennings, KCP, Singler, Mitchell, Harrelson
Det in: Nash(exp), Noel

LAL out: Nash(exp), rights to Randle
LAL in: Jennings, KCP, Singler, Mitchell, Harrelson

Phi out: Noel
Phi in: rights to Randle

as far as #2 goes...Nash's expiring gets overrated, because expirings always are here, and because LAL seems to make great deals. They would still be a great team if they didn't lose Dwight for nothing and Nash didn't fall off a cliff. But Nash isn't likely to be as productive as any of the guys they receive here except for Mitchell.
As for Philly wanting Randle? There is a way of seeing him as more valuable than Noel. Not to me, but I'm aware that there is a way, lol.


#3
Monroe
for
rights to Payne and rights to Tavares


Then we just tank for just one year, signing some perimeter guys who are borderline NBA talent on 1-year deals.
Tavares and Dinwiddie can get 3 or 4 year deals.

Next season? spend all that cap on the perimeter or buy 1-year deals with on the perimeter with picks thrown in. Get a solid draft pick. Trade it if it wouldn't fit. We would be (fast) approaching dominance.

[sdballer]

this would get trolled of course as homerism, but some real-life trades resemble these. maybe.

#1
Smoove
for
Terry(exp), Outlaw(exp), Williams(exp), and rights to Stauskas

#2
Det out: Jennings, KCP, Singler, Mitchell, Harrelson
Det in: Nash(exp), Noel

LAL out: Nash(exp), rights to Randle
LAL in: Jennings, KCP, Singler, Mitchell, Harrelson

Phi out: Noel
Phi in: rights to Randle

as far as #2 goes...Nash's expiring gets overrated, because expirings always are here, and because LAL seems to make great deals. They would still be a great team if they didn't lose Dwight for nothing and Nash didn't fall off a cliff. But Nash isn't likely to be as productive as any of the guys they receive here except for Mitchell.
As for Philly wanting Randle? There is a way of seeing him as more valuable than Noel. Not to me, but I'm aware that there is a way, lol.


#3
Monroe
for
rights to Payne and rights to Tavares


Then we just tank for just one year, signing some perimeter guys who are borderline NBA talent on 1-year deals.
Tavares and Dinwiddie can get 3 or 4 year deals.

Next season? spend all that cap on the perimeter or buy 1-year deals with on the perimeter with picks thrown in. Get a solid draft pick. Trade it if it wouldn't fit. We would be (fast) approaching dominance.

[coolness]

Maybe so, but value is somewhat subjective. Stauskas, Noel, and Payne are all risks that I'm (gladly) willing to take, but they are still risks.

I assume you mean I'm too homerish here. Sometimes I'm called the opposite, but I felt naughty tonight.

[sdballer]

Maybe so, but value is somewhat subjective. Stauskas, Noel, and Payne are all risks that I'm (gladly) willing to take, but they are still risks.

I assume you mean I'm too homerish here. Sometimes I'm called the opposite, but I felt naughty tonight.

Value isn't that subjective. Josh Smith's awful deal for expiring deals and a recent lottery pick. Jenning's expiring deal for an expiring deal plus a recent lotto pick. It's ok to feel a little naughty but some things are off limits.

[coolness]

Maybe so, but value is somewhat subjective. Stauskas, Noel, and Payne are all risks that I'm (gladly) willing to take, but they are still risks.

I assume you mean I'm too homerish here. Sometimes I'm called the opposite, but I felt naughty tonight.

Value isn't that subjective. Josh Smith's awful deal for expiring deals and a recent lottery pick. Jenning's expiring deal for an expiring deal plus a recent lotto pick. It's ok to feel a little naughty but some things are off limits.

OK, but none of those Sac expirings can play. And you forgot about KCP/Singler who each have value in the other. Excluding them from your rebuttal IS off-limits. *shrug*

[Blkbrd671]

Posted this in other thread

could something around

Detroit in: Smart+ thompson+teryy+wallace
Bos in: IT+Mclemore
SAC: Rondo,Smith

[ducler]

Detroit in : Isaiah Thomas, Jeff Green, Jason Thompson
Boston in : Jennings, McLemore, Singler, picks
Sacramento in : Josh Smith, Rondo