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ComboGuardCity wrote:I know its too early and probably homeristic to say, but I'd rather go for the 4 seed if Indiana gets the #1. I legitimately think we would have a shot at the finals if we continue to play team basketball and inside-out.
sc8581 wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:I know its too early and probably homeristic to say, but I'd rather go for the 4 seed if Indiana gets the #1. I legitimately think we would have a shot at the finals if we continue to play team basketball and inside-out.
Come playoff time shooting becomes more important and we simply don't have it, no way we make any noise in the playoffs.
sc8581 wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:I know its too early and probably homeristic to say, but I'd rather go for the 4 seed if Indiana gets the #1. I legitimately think we would have a shot at the finals if we continue to play team basketball and inside-out.
Come playoff time shooting becomes more important and we simply don't have it, no way we make any noise in the playoffs.
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ComboGuardCity wrote:sc8581 wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:I know its too early and probably homeristic to say, but I'd rather go for the 4 seed if Indiana gets the #1. I legitimately think we would have a shot at the finals if we continue to play team basketball and inside-out.
Come playoff time shooting becomes more important and we simply don't have it, no way we make any noise in the playoffs.
Actually it doesn't. Half court offense becomes more important. Post players trump outside shooting.
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ComboGuardCity wrote:sc8581 wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:I know its too early and probably homeristic to say, but I'd rather go for the 4 seed if Indiana gets the #1. I legitimately think we would have a shot at the finals if we continue to play team basketball and inside-out.
Come playoff time shooting becomes more important and we simply don't have it, no way we make any noise in the playoffs.
Actually it doesn't. Half court offense becomes more important. Post players trump outside shooting.
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scrop32 wrote:do you think Kemba is all-star this year?
sc8581 wrote:
Exactly, in a half court offense against good defensive teams shooting is more important than post-play.
Clarity wrote:sc8581 wrote:
Exactly, in a half court offense against good defensive teams shooting is more important than post-play.
in a half court offense post play is 10x more important than shooting, things grind to a halt in the post season. Its why teams that are run of the mill in the regular season (Memphis etc) are so much more dominant in the post season.
Its why the phrase "live by the jumper, die by the jumper" was invented.
sc8581 wrote:
Ideally you would like to have both but a team can survive without post-play and not without shooters. When was the last time a team won the championship without shooting because I can tell you a few that did it without post-play, including us 10 years ago.
Clarity wrote:sc8581 wrote:
Ideally you would like to have both but a team can survive without post-play and not without shooters. When was the last time a team won the championship without shooting because I can tell you a few that did it without post-play, including us 10 years ago.
Agree on ideally having both but anyone would take an inside out team like us or Memphis (when healthy) any day over a Clippers where their entire offense is shooting 20 footers.
Sheed gave us post play, matter fact we wouldnt have gotten to the 05 Finals without his scoring on the block in the 4th quarter of Game 7 vs Miami. The last 2 years Lebron gave the Heat that high % scoring, its why he came up short in 2011, its not conicidence that Miami took that next step when Lebron got a post game. Dirk gave the Mavs that block scoring in 2011, Pau with the Lakers repeats, both Pierce & KG got Boston high % looks in 2008, Duncan obviously doesnt need to be stated, Shaq's Lakers etc.
The post season is all about getting easy baskets in a half court, slowed down offense, not about jump shooting.
Now that is something I agree with 100% Post play is a hell of a thing in the playoffs, and when the other team just cant stop the "bull in the post" it starts to break down their entire defense.Clarity wrote:sc8581 wrote:
Ideally you would like to have both but a team can survive without post-play and not without shooters. When was the last time a team won the championship without shooting because I can tell you a few that did it without post-play, including us 10 years ago.
Agree on ideally having both but anyone would take an inside out team like us or Memphis (when healthy) any day over a Clippers where their entire offense is shooting 20 footers.
Sheed gave us post play, matter fact we wouldnt have gotten to the 05 Finals without his scoring on the block in the 4th quarter of Game 7 vs Miami. The last 2 years Lebron gave the Heat that high % scoring, its why he came up short in 2011, its not conicidence that Miami took that next step when Lebron got a post game. Dirk gave the Mavs that block scoring in 2011, Pau with the Lakers repeats, both Pierce & KG got Boston high % looks in 2008, Duncan obviously doesnt need to be stated, Shaq's Lakers etc.
The post season is all about getting easy baskets in a half court, slowed down offense, not about jump shooting.
zeebneeb wrote:
Agree on ideaNow that is something I agree with 100% Post play is a hell of a thing in the playoffs, and when the other team just cant stop the "bull in the post" it starts to break down their entire defense.
I just wish we had someone for Moose, or Smith(When hes in the post) to throw it out to that can be deadly from range. It makes the man down low, much more effective, because cheating will kill you.
Don't get me wrong, I know some of the guys on the team can hit shots, but I want at least ONE player who always seems to burn the other team when left open, like Billups used to when Rasheed was down on the block, or even Prince.Clarity wrote:zeebneeb wrote:
Agree on ideaNow that is something I agree with 100% Post play is a hell of a thing in the playoffs, and when the other team just cant stop the "bull in the post" it starts to break down their entire defense.
I just wish we had someone for Moose, or Smith(When hes in the post) to throw it out to that can be deadly from range. It makes the man down low, much more effective, because cheating will kill you.
I think we have some guys in Singler, Chauncey etc who are capable of hitting some shots.
I get your point though, we could always use more.
zeebneeb wrote:Don't get me wrong, I know some of the guys on the team can hit shots, but I want at least ONE player who always seems to burn the other team when left open, like Billups used to when Rasheed was down on the block, or even Prince.
Maybe im asking to much from this group of extremely young players though. I guess im just impatient with Pope, who is an outstanding defensive player, that if he could hit his shots, would be just great at that position for the Pistons. He seems so tightly wound. Maybe he needs to just calm down, and let the game come to him?
I knew we would eventually agree on something clarity. Sorry for my remark the other day btw, you just seem so....straight to the point it ruffles my feathers on occasion. I gotten used to your posting style now.Clarity wrote:zeebneeb wrote:Don't get me wrong, I know some of the guys on the team can hit shots, but I want at least ONE player who always seems to burn the other team when left open, like Billups used to when Rasheed was down on the block, or even Prince.
Maybe im asking to much from this group of extremely young players though. I guess im just impatient with Pope, who is an outstanding defensive player, that if he could hit his shots, would be just great at that position for the Pistons. He seems so tightly wound. Maybe he needs to just calm down, and let the game come to him?
I dont think your request is crazy, im just not so sure we dont have some key guys who could do what we need already on the roster. KCP is fully capable too. These guys are just really young (believe the avg age is like 23) heck KCP is barely 15-20 games into his NBA career & hes starting. I think we owe them some patience.
Im all for more shooters being added if they can fit though, the 3 headed monster down low would be even more deadly.