2023-2024 Rotation/Minutes

[edmunder_prc]

Cade 32 Morris 16
Ivey 30 Burks 18
Ausar 28 Harris 20
Bojan 28 Stewart 10 Livers 10
Duren 30 Stewart 18

No need for Hayes, Sasser, Wiseman or Bagley to play big minutes unless there's injuries or resting other dudes.

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Makes sense but the team needs to recoup all the trade capital and the $30 million being paid to Bagley, Wiseman and Hayes, plus the 2nd round picks for Sasser.

Plus the team is still "developing" Bagley and Wiseman. I think everyone can agree Hayes is bad.

[Pharaoh]

Cade 32 Morris 16
Ivey 30 Burks 18
Ausar 28 Harris 20
Bojan 28 Stewart 10 Livers 10
Duren 30 Stewart 18

No need for Hayes, Sasser, Wiseman or Bagley to play big minutes unless there's injuries or resting other dudes.

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Makes sense but the team needs to recoup all the trade capital and the $30 million being paid to Bagley, Wiseman and Hayes, plus the 2nd round picks for Sasser.

Plus the team is still "developing" Bagley and Wiseman. I think everyone can agree Hayes is bad.

They'll play when other dudes get rested or foul trouble.

It's a 82 game season

Fwiw I'd play Sasser over Hayes and Wiseman over Bagley.

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[flow]

Bagley has become the wipping boy of this forum. But if he's on the roster, he's playing.

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[zeebneeb]

Corey Joseph signed with the Warriors.

Addition by subtraction.

[Pharaoh]

Corey Joseph signed with the Warriors.

Addition by subtraction.

We got Morris so I'm happy CoJo moved on. Good luck to him

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[Piston Pete]

Bagley has become the wipping boy of this forum. But if he's on the roster, he's playing.

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Just 1 year ago, most of this forum was happy we re-signed him. “Good low post scorer and lob threat.” How quickly things change…

[Pharaoh]

Bagley has become the wipping boy of this forum. But if he's on the roster, he's playing.

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I'd rather he didn't play a huge role though.

Bench 4/5? Ok cool.

Duren 30 - Bagley 18
Stewart 30 - Bojan 18
Ausar 28 - Bojan 10 - Harris 10
Ivey 20 - Harris 10 - Morris 10
Cade 32 - Ivey 10 - Morris 6

Which means Burks doesn't play - or does he take Harris' spot?

Or if you're Monty do you just play your top 9 guys regardless of positions cause small ball is king?

I believe our top 9 are:

Duren
Stewart
Bojan
Ausar
Harris
Ivey
Burks
Cade
Morris



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[GreekAlex]

Bagley has become the wipping boy of this forum. But if he's on the roster, he's playing.

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I just hope he can stay healthy and Monty can hide him on defense.

[vege]

Probably wouldn't expect more than a 2nd rounder or something after seeing Toppin going for two seconds

We’d be the team giving up the second round pick to get rid of Killian.

Killian is a negative asset. He didn’t make the France team. Killian is the worst player in the NBA. Please forget all trade ideas for him. He’s cooked out of the league. The WORST player in the league. I mean an updrafted player is much better than him.

Pistons gm doesn’t get enough heat for that stupid pick.. halliburton just signed a huge deal as the face of the pacers. I wanted him instead of hayes back then. I thought the choice was obvious but alot of piston fans were happy about the hayes pick. I just never saw it.

90% of the board wanted Killian during that draft. From all I read back then I was happy with the Killian pick. But we're not paid millions and we don't have Weaver's information to make that decision, so it's fine for us to be wrong, it's not fine for him to be wrong like that.

[Snakebites]

We’d be the team giving up the second round pick to get rid of Killian.

Killian is a negative asset. He didn’t make the France team. Killian is the worst player in the NBA. Please forget all trade ideas for him. He’s cooked out of the league. The WORST player in the league. I mean an updrafted player is much better than him.

Pistons gm doesn’t get enough heat for that stupid pick.. halliburton just signed a huge deal as the face of the pacers. I wanted him instead of hayes back then. I thought the choice was obvious but alot of piston fans were happy about the hayes pick. I just never saw it.

90% of the board wanted Killian during that draft. From all I read back then I was happy with the Killian pick. But we're not paid millions and we don't have Weaver's information to make that decision, so it's fine for us to be wrong, it's not fine for him to be wrong like that.

I’m also way worse at basketball than Killian, Cojo, Leuer, and any of our other regrettable acquisitions.

[Kalamazoo317]

Bagley has become the wipping boy of this forum. But if he's on the roster, he's playing.

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Just 1 year ago, most of this forum was happy we re-signed him. “Good low post scorer and lob threat.” How quickly things change…

I still like Bags, it's just tough when you have Wiseman (a bit more of a mystery box still) and Duren at the same position. I'm hoping Bags and Cade show the same chemistry they did when they played together at the end of the season we traded for Bags.

[flow]

Bagley has become the wipping boy of this forum. But if he's on the roster, he's playing.

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Just 1 year ago, most of this forum was happy we re-signed him. “Good low post scorer and lob threat.” How quickly things change…

I still like Bags, it's just tough when you have Wiseman (a bit more of a mystery box still) and Duren at the same position. I'm hoping Bags and Cade show the same chemistry they did when they played together at the end of the season we traded for Bags.

Not the same position. Bagley is a natural 4. He's playing out of position at the 5. He actually mentioned a few weeks ago that he hopes to be back at the 4 this season.

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[Exit 9]

Bagley has become the wipping boy of this forum. But if he's on the roster, he's playing.

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**** is so crazy to me, literally everybody's acting like he's a finished product at 24 and so eager to dump him for nothing to sign somebody they'll probably hate more than him.

[bstein14]

Bagley is overpaid, but he's got a nice offensive skillset. If he's low MPG in the rotation that's fine with me. In reality, likely only one of Bagley/Wiseman should be in the rotation but letting them battle it out is fine whoever earns it in practice and the games give them the spot in the rotation.

[Snakebites]

I’ll be pretty irritated if Bagley or Wiseman are starting.

[Kalamazoo317]

Just 1 year ago, most of this forum was happy we re-signed him. “Good low post scorer and lob threat.” How quickly things change…

I still like Bags, it's just tough when you have Wiseman (a bit more of a mystery box still) and Duren at the same position. I'm hoping Bags and Cade show the same chemistry they did when they played together at the end of the season we traded for Bags.

Not the same position. Bagley is a natural 4. He's playing out of position at the 5. He actually mentioned a few weeks ago that he hopes to be back at the 4 this season.

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If that's the case, then I guess the issue is that non-spacing 4's are dinosaurs in 2023. You need a lot of spacing everywhere else (including at the 5) to really make it worse, and neither Duren nor Wiseman provide much space at the 5. And since Bags is a negative on the defensive end as well, that just makes it tough. I do like his offensive game but you have to have about the perfect fit around him to hide his limitations, and we don't have it.

[kpt]

I am fearful Monty doesn’t start Duren. Ugh.

[Mr Peanut]

Bagley has become the wipping boy of this forum. But if he's on the roster, he's playing.

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**** is so crazy to me, literally everybody's acting like he's a finished product at 24 and so eager to dump him for nothing to sign somebody they'll probably hate more than him.

People were higher on him last offseason as after he was traded here he had good chemistry with Cade and it unlocked some parts to his game. Will be interesting to see how a healthy Cade affects his play this season and if he will be more highly regarded this time next year.

[bstein14]

James Edward put out his rotation as it stands now, but he still feels like we'll make one more trade this offseason.

C: Duren / Bagley / Wiseman
PF: Stewart / Livers
SF: Bojan / Harris / Ausar
SG: Ivey / Burks / Sasser
PG: Cade / Morris / Hayes
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With the rumor that the Pistons were looking to move Bojan for picks, and the fact that Harris' agent game out after the trade saying that he's excited to go to Detroit and he talked about how Harris will have a "great role with the team" makes me think that James Edwards assumes that Weaver will try to cash in on Bojan this summer for the best value he can get, if at all possible. Perhaps he's wanting more shots/attempts for the young guys as well as wanting to really push that defensive mindset so he's trying to swap Harris into the starting lineup if Bojan moves out... and then Ausar could end up being the backup SF (or PF depending on how you view Livers).

The other interesting thing with this is that he lists all of Duren/Bagley/Wiseman as centers instead of having Bagley as a backup PF so perhaps he too realizes that its less likely Detroit will try to pair two of Duren/Bagley/Wiseman on the floor together at the same time this year.

He also mentioned Duren/Stewart starting together because of the need of what they bring on defense... those two continuing to develop cohesion together will be a key part of this team's future just like Cade & Ivey in the backcourt.

[DetroitSho]

I am fearful Monty doesn’t start Duren. Ugh.

Why would that even be close to a fear for you? Did you not hear his comments on Duren?

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