Best Player Available for Fontecchio/ Sasser/ Picks

[SuperBad]

You have to see who is going to tear it all down most likely. Sasser has never really been given a true opportunity, he’s going into yr three, a rebuilding team could easily take both these guys. Maybe we could Kelly Olynk? Back, slightly better can also play the stretch 5

[Crymson]

Fontecchio is bad salary. Sasser might garner a second-round pick in return right now. Neither has any real value. This is a "take our disposable parts in exchange for real value" fantasy scenario. Every team has disposable parts. No team wants to pay good value in exchange for them.

[Canadafan]

Obi Toppin or PJ Washington is the dream. After Beasley signs we'd have enough cap left to get one of those 2 guys. Not likely to happen though.
Then Shröder with room exception.
Then THJr with vet minimum

Edit:not that those 2 are my dream PFs, just that they would be my dream by dealing Fontecchio and Sasser for them lol

[SuperBad]

We just need to find someone else’s overpaid scraps, that fit the role better, our scraps always look bad to us, just like there do to them

[Kilo]

Schroeder has been around the league for a reason. I wouldn't re-sign him, especially with Ivey back.

[GreekAlex]

Schroeder has been around the league for a reason. I wouldn't re-sign him, especially with Ivey back.

Ivey will be taking the role of THJ unless he’s resigned.

Schröder will still be very important to the team’s success.

[SuperBad]

I think we resign him he was really good for us 2yr deal gives Ivey time to get better at running a team, we will not be able to afford a veteran in this position in a couple of seasons, this is the guy to help him get there, that’s why I keep him, I think if we can move tech and Sasser, then we can THJ as long as he’s cool with the potential diminishing role.
So far I think Kelly O is the best option he could replace Paul reed, put in 6-8 minutes at the C, and then we put Stew at the PF 6-8. Its not a perfect fit but pretty good.

[bstein14]

If Schroeder wants to stay and is ok with being a low MPG backup PG then I think its fine to keep him. It's also fine to move on if we're going to instead prioritize developing the young guys more. Either way, he should be a minimum salary or just slightly above minimum salary player wherever he goes.

[Canadafan]

Schroeder has been around the league for a reason. I wouldn't re-sign him, especially with Ivey back.

Ivey will be taking the role of THJ unless he’s resigned.

Schröder will still be very important to the team’s success.

Id even say that Shröder will help Ivey huge too. On and off the court.

[Crymson]

Schröder will still be very important to the team’s success.

Whether it's Schroder or someone else, the Pistons need a quality backup handler. I don't think Ivey is that -- he's more off-guard than primary handler -- and the Pistons will need more than two handlers in any case; having just two means both staggering Cade and Ivey again -- rather than having the two consistently playing together -- and being one injury away from the bench having no handlers at all, which -- as we know -- is exactly what happened this season, to the benefit of the opposition. Sasser is in no way a qualified lead handler, and that's unlikely to change at age 25.

Schroder is in the top ten in the backup handler category, and the Pistons hold his Early Bird rights. Seems exceedingly likely that he'll be retained.

Ivey will be taking the role of THJ unless he’s resigned.

There's going to be no space in the rotation for THJ unless someone is moved or not brought back. And there shouldn't be -- barring the rare occasion when he gets extremely hot from three, he's a negative-value player. Dallas cap-dumped him in the first place because he had become a consistently minus player overall and was no longer qualified to be part of a postseason rotation. He went on, unsurprisingly, to be a consistently minus on-court player overall and a bad postseason performer for the Pistons.

[Mr Peanut]

Ivey will be taking the role of THJ unless he’s resigned.

There's going to be no space in the rotation for THJ unless someone is moved or not brought back. And there shouldn't be -- barring the rare occasion when he gets extremely hot from three, he's a negative-value player. Dallas cap-dumped him in the first place because he had become a consistently minus player overall and was no longer qualified to be part of a postseason rotation. He went on, unsurprisingly, to be a consistently minus on-court player overall and a bad postseason performer for the Pistons.

Crymson - I do appreciate your well thought out posts. But I would be to remiss to point out that it was only a few months ago that you were calling THJ our "premiere play finisher from the perimeter" when others were clamoring for Ausar to get more minutes. But now you're saying he was a minus player in Dallas and his time here. Not that I disagree with your current assessment; just curious at what stage did you so drastically change your opinion?

[theBigLip]

Font and Sasser don’t have much value by themselves. They are only going to bring us something if it a salary dump on the other end - say a $20M player that might be slightly negative in return for the $11M of their salaries.

What’s going to get us a player we want will be our draft picks. Font and Sasser might get thrown in for salary filler but they need to play much better to bring in any kind of return.

[Crymson]

Crymson - I do appreciate your well thought out posts. But I would be to remiss to point out that it was only a few months ago that you were calling THJ our "premiere play finisher from the perimeter" when others were clamoring for Ausar to get more minutes. But now you're saying he was a minus player in Dallas and his time here. Not that I disagree with your current assessment; just curious at what stage did you so drastically change your opinion?

Hello! I said that in November; it was then about three weeks into the regular season, and Ausar had yet to play (and would not debut for another two weeks). THJ was shooting 47% from three on six attempts per game, and Beasley had yet to get going. I said that I'd be surprised if Ausar, a non-shooter, were to significantly eat into the minutes of the team's best shooter at that time.

I knew that THJ was a minus player when he was acquired. Dallas dumped him for a reason: he provided little value on offense by that point outside of his perimeter shooting yet that shooting had been unreliable for some time, and he was no longer capable of playing postseason-caliber defense. The only instances in which he provided positive value this season were those in which he got hot from three. If he'd managed to keep up his excellent percentage from early on in the season, great -- he could've provided decent value in that case.

[the_l_train]

Bill Simmons mentioned Jrue Holiday for Fontecchio straight up on his pod last night.

As wild as that contract is, curious if Trajan would bite on that.

[Crymson]

Bill Simmons mentioned Jrue Holiday for Fontecchio straight up on his pod last night.

As wild as that contract is, curious if Trajan would bite on that.

This is a pretty typical Simmons trade idea where his Celtics are concerned: it entails another team doing something that's overtly counter to its own interests in order to serve the Celtics' purposes.

The Pistons don't need a 35-year-old, in-decline guard who's already playing at substantially below the value of his hefty contract and is likely to continue getting worse as he ages through the final three seasons of it. He'd also both be replacing Beasley and standing in Ivey's way. I can't imagine Langdon being interested.

[Rip32]

Holiday is trash! Brunson torched him. No senior citizens

[Mr Peanut]

Bill Simmons mentioned Jrue Holiday for Fontecchio straight up on his pod last night.

As wild as that contract is, curious if Trajan would bite on that.

As great as his career has been and as important as he was to the 2021 and 2024 title teams, he is now of significantly negative value on that contract (he will be getting paid 37.2M during the season where he turns 38 year old). Fontecchio was underwhelming this season but he is now an expiring 8.3M contract. This is a trade we shouldn't even remotely consider.

[bstein14]

Holiday is trash! Brunson torched him. No senior citizens

Holiday held his own against Brunson for sure.

If you look at players who defended at least 10 FGs per game in these playoffs so far, these were the players that held their opponent to the lowest FG%

Al Horford 36.9%
Bobby Portis 38.2%
Tobias Harris 38.3%
Jrue Holiday 38.5%
Mikal Bridges 38.5%
Jalen Duren 39.2%
OG Annunoby 40.8%

He's not worth that contract, but Jrue is still a positive impact player.

[Crymson]

Holiday is trash! Brunson torched him. No senior citizens

Holiday did extremely well against Brunson. He's still a strong defender. But he's majorly declined on offense, it's very possible that he'll continue declining as he ages, he doesn't fit the timeline, his contract is bad, the Pistons will presumably be well above the cap and therefore unlikely to replace his contribution when he's gone. Acquiring him would also mean letting go of the team's best shooter and putting a major barrier in Ivey's way. It's all minuses for this team in its current state.

Not worth.

[SuperBad]

Well he’s not trash, he may not be the player he was, I’m not sure how long Holidays deal is left, if it’s two season or less, I think I might take that, maybe I’d force them to send me a 2nd rd pick as well. But I really liked Beasley and Schroeder off the bench, so I’m not sure it would be a lock.