Trade for Westbrook?

[Kilo]

Miami is known for its discipline.
Riley rules the Heat.

Russ could work in Miami, because he lacks bball IQ and discipline. Also they have Jimmy Butler to take leadership of the team on the floor.

However, the Pistons and Russ won't go anywhere at all. To give up the future for an aging horrible contract that can't win with several all-nba wings in a wings league is beyond dumb! Then to tell him to run into the paint the same place where Blake and Dre prefer to operate. Nonsense low-IQ move.

Jimmy Butler is a nut. He's also an all-NBA wing. Is he better than PG13? What else will Miami have?

Westbrook didn't win with other all-NBA wings. What about seeing if he plays with all NBA bigs?

[DetroitSho]

Miami is known for its discipline.
Riley rules the Heat.

Russ could work in Miami, because he lacks bball IQ and discipline. Also they have Jimmy Butler to take leadership of the team on the floor.

However, the Pistons and Russ won't go anywhere at all. To give up the future for an aging horrible contract that can't win with several all-nba wings in a wings league is beyond dumb! Then to tell him to run into the paint the same place where Blake and Dre prefer to operate. Nonsense low-IQ move.

So is there a basketball IQ store inside Miami's arena or something? How could his lack of IQ not get in the way in Miami too?

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[MotownMadness]

Miami is known for its discipline.
Riley rules the Heat.

Russ could work in Miami, because he lacks bball IQ and discipline. Also they have Jimmy Butler to take leadership of the team on the floor.

However, the Pistons and Russ won't go anywhere at all. To give up the future for an aging horrible contract that can't win with several all-nba wings in a wings league is beyond dumb! Then to tell him to run into the paint the same place where Blake and Dre prefer to operate. Nonsense low-IQ move.

So is there a basketball IQ store inside Miami's arena or something? How could his lack of IQ not get in the way in Miami too?

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Yeah i was gonna say Jimmy might make Blake look like the greatest mature leader ever at this point

[heatwillbeback]

Miami is known for its discipline.
Riley rules the Heat.

Russ could work in Miami, because he lacks bball IQ and discipline. Also they have Jimmy Butler to take leadership of the team on the floor.

However, the Pistons and Russ won't go anywhere at all. To give up the future for an aging horrible contract that can't win with several all-nba wings in a wings league is beyond dumb! Then to tell him to run into the paint the same place where Blake and Dre prefer to operate. Nonsense low-IQ move.

So is there a basketball IQ store inside Miami's arena or something? How could his lack of IQ not get in the way in Miami too?

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What he is getting at is the Heat are a place where players cannot do as they please. There is accountability in place from top to bottom.

It’s why Lebron left and it’s the reason the Heat are the only team to not fall apart once he did so. Same GM, coach, team president and system. Cavs fell apart, twice. Lakers already changed GM, coach and team president.

Doesn’t mean the pistons don’t have something similar in place. I really do like your coach. But Heat have proven it with this same structure forever. Riley and Ellisburg for 20 years and Spo for more than 10. Heat have proven they can handle egos.

[captainrebel]

This is a mirror of Kilo's Blake to OKC thread.

Most of the offers for Westbrook on the T&T board are pretty underwhelming.

Jackson, Snell, and Galloway roughly work salary-wise. Maybe toss in a Drummond for Adams swap.

Then it becomes a question of what kind of incentive we need to add? Sekou? Picks?

Please, not Sekou! Give them another pick instead. Sekou is going to be a young Westbrook

[MotownMadness]

Whats WestBrooks fg% at the rim? Shouldnt that be on Basketball reference

[Kilo]

Read on Twitter

[pollack419]

DO IT!

Giving up some combination of RJ, Gallow, Snell, Thon (Who I like) plus 2 first and one SVI, Brown and Khryi is worth it. I don't want to include luke or Sekou

Not worried about the 1st rounds picks that could end up like these fellas

2016 Henry #18
2015 Stanley #8
2013 KCP #8

RJ, Gallow, Thon, Khyri, 1st 2020 and 2022 for Russ (plus 2020 we should have agood recond so late pick and keep 2021 the yearwe can draft young prospects)

[Moses ShamMoses]

This feels like one of those situations where Westbrook's true value around the league is neutral to minimal (as in: teams think he should be had for expiring deals or even OKC needs to add a 1st to unload as worst case) BUT for OKC to actually entertain a deal they are going to want actual value coming back at this point SO a team like Detroit or Miami will need to overpay to actually get a deal done. I get really nervous in these types of situations as the team who makes the trade likely will regret it a couple years down the road when Westbrook declines and the team isn't really winning.

That said, If I'm Detroit I offer the standard expiring deals as first offer and MAYBE go to a single first next year if Gores is really pushing for it. The first next year likely won't be anything special. TBH that probably isn't enough for OKC and honestly i'm totally happy with that.

[Canadafan]

I’d be willing to give up Kennard and 20 or 20 + 22.

Keep Luke
Westbrook needs shooters. He creates so much for his teammates but in OKC they had nobody that could shoot the damn ball. Snell and Luke need to stay

[flow]

Drummond, Snell, RJ, Galloway & ONE unprotected 2020 first for Westbrook and Adams

Sign Jabari Parker for the minimum

Westbrook - Rose - Frazier
Brown - Thomas
Kennard - Svi - Sekou - Sirv
Griffin - Parker
Adams - Kieff - Thon

There's your 14

Might not win a championship but would surely be more interesting




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Something like this I could maybe live with.

[flow]

I can believe there are folks here who want to pay a 34 year old guard who relies on his athleticism 43 million in 2023...

I want to believe you wanted to type "can't" here

The John Wall thread. The Andrew Wiggins thread. The Carmelo Anthony thread.

The desire to completely wreck your franchise's prospects for years to come in exchange for immediate gain that falls short of anything worthwhile is strong here.

Food for thought: Can you imagine the scenario where Golden State didn't have 2 of its superstars break themselves and they won again in the finals? Very, very plausible. And Toronto would have *nothing* due to Kawhi bolting. Just like all the sane people predicted.
Watch Toronto this year and imagine that being what happened....

You can imagine anything, but what happened was Toronto gambled and it paid off.

No doubt about it. But there are two significant differences:

1. Toronto was a good team, in position to make a serious run. The Pistons aren't.

2. Kawhi is a playoff-run difference-maker. Russ isn't.

[Pharaoh]

Detroit is known for its discipline.
Casey rules the Pistons now.

Russ could work in Detroit, because he lacks bball IQ and discipline. Also they have Blake Griffin to take leadership of the team on the floor.

However, the Heat and Russ won't go anywhere at all. To give up the future for an aging horrible contract that can't win with several all-nba wings in a wings league is beyond dumb!

FTFY

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[Sheeeeed]

OKC just traded Grant, possible prelude to a Westbrook trade?

[tetris]

Not when we're almost done with the Reggie/Drummond era. Please don't lock us into another permanent state of mediocrity.

[DetroitSho]

Miami is known for its discipline.
Riley rules the Heat.

Russ could work in Miami, because he lacks bball IQ and discipline. Also they have Jimmy Butler to take leadership of the team on the floor.

However, the Pistons and Russ won't go anywhere at all. To give up the future for an aging horrible contract that can't win with several all-nba wings in a wings league is beyond dumb! Then to tell him to run into the paint the same place where Blake and Dre prefer to operate. Nonsense low-IQ move.

So is there a basketball IQ store inside Miami's arena or something? How could his lack of IQ not get in the way in Miami too?

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What he is getting at is the Heat are a place where players cannot do as they please. There is accountability in place from top to bottom.

It’s why Lebron left and it’s the reason the Heat are the only team to not fall apart once he did so. Same GM, coach, team president and system. Cavs fell apart, twice. Lakers already changed GM, coach and team president.

Doesn’t mean the pistons don’t have something similar in place. I really do like your coach. But Heat have proven it with this same structure forever. Riley and Ellisburg for 20 years and Spo for more than 10. Heat have proven they can handle egos.

No offense but Hassan freaking Whiteside took ill advised shots and wrecked that lockerrom for years. Where was the discipline? LeBron wanted to run the basketball operations. That's quite different than Westbrook shooting too much. Dion Waiters is still there being Dion Waiters and shooting how he shoots.

Westbrook ain't trying to get his friends jobs, getting his agent to fly on the team charter, trying to stay an extra night in certain cities. His "discipline" issue is all on the court. That vaunted Heat discipline didn't matter when LeBron wanted to play "LeBron ball".

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[Canadafan]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y56uml8t
Saves them $6million this year.
Puts is $1.8million into tax
Keeps our shooters but we lose our 18yr old

[ComboGuardCity]

The media hates WB because he’s a complete **** to them. Zach Lowe is doing his best kid getting back at his bully impression. The funniest thing, he’s probably just as afraid of Pat Riley so hes hedging his bets.

[ComboGuardCity]

So is there a basketball IQ store inside Miami's arena or something? How could his lack of IQ not get in the way in Miami too?

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What he is getting at is the Heat are a place where players cannot do as they please. There is accountability in place from top to bottom.

It’s why Lebron left and it’s the reason the Heat are the only team to not fall apart once he did so. Same GM, coach, team president and system. Cavs fell apart, twice. Lakers already changed GM, coach and team president.

Doesn’t mean the pistons don’t have something similar in place. I really do like your coach. But Heat have proven it with this same structure forever. Riley and Ellisburg for 20 years and Spo for more than 10. Heat have proven they can handle egos.

No offense but Hassan freaking Whiteside took ill advised shots and wrecked that lockerrom for years. Where was the discipline? LeBron wanted to run the basketball operations. That's quite different than Westbrook shooting too much. Dion Waiters is still there being Dion Waiters and shooting how he shoots.

Westbrook ain't trying to get his friends jobs, getting his agent to fly on the team charter, trying to stay an extra night in certain cities. His "discipline" issue is all on the court. That vaunted Heat discipline didn't matter when LeBron wanted to play "LeBron ball".

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Right?! The heat had the luxury of drafting a Hofer guard in 2003 + being in Miami. You put that team in Minnesota and that “discipline” is no longer worth the hassle. See Tom Thibideau

[Kilo]

Jerami Grant for a 1st and a TPE is a big deal in that any deal with the Pistons would be a 4-for-1 deal and they'd need to have cut three players. Now this opens up one less cut. And Detroit has a 2.5M TPE to offer for one of their cuts in a separate deal so really they'd only need to cut one player to take on Jackson, Galloway, Kennard, Maker (and a FRP or two) for Russell Westbrook.