Trade deadline thread

[bstein14]

Love how each week we're rejecting better and better offers for Bojan. That's our spin machine going to work. Two days from now the reports will be that we turned down OG for Bojan.

[theBigLip]

One problem with keeping Bojan and Burks is our cap space is reduced extensively. I like if Weaver feels pressure to make the playoffs next year, but I think we’re still better off moving Bogdonovich while his value is high and it’s a sellers market.

[Cowology]

Yeah, there is something to be said for simply increasing the value of your assets, whether those are future picks or young prospects or desirable contracts. The theory obviously being you can then hopefully consolidate some of that value for more impact players. Sometimes you simply need more talent and this is one way to get there; eek out value.

Weaver however tends to be more mission oriented than value oriented. He pursues specific objectives, sometimes regardless of the "value". He wants what he wants. Which can be both good and bad.

He executes his plans. Whether those plans have the desired impact is sorta what's in question. Bogey made a lot more sense when Cade was healthy and Weaver may still be committed to that plan.

I dunno. The lack of defense bothers me. Not just in relation to Bojan, but up & down the roster. From the coaching staff. From the executive team. It's not my personal preference for organizational identity.

But I'm just some dude sitting on a couch, so wtf do I know? He gets paid to make those decisions. *shrug*

[theBigLip]

I dunno. The lack of defense bothers me. Not just in relation to Bojan, but up & down the roster. From the coaching staff. From the executive team. It's not my personal preference for organizational identity.

But I'm just some dude sitting on a couch, so wtf do I know? He gets paid to make those decisions. *shrug*

We all see the same thing. I think couch sitting is sufficient qualification We don’t even have a good “regular season” defense, let alone “playoff” defense. It’s partially an issue of personnel, but significantly it has to do w coaching.

[bstein14]

One problem with keeping Bojan and Burks is our cap space is reduced extensively. I like if Weaver feels pressure to make the playoffs next year, but I think we’re still better off moving Bogdonovich while his value is high and it’s a sellers market.

The is exactly true.... its not just what we can get for Bojan, but that plus $20 million extra in cap space this summer (assuming we get expirings for Bojan).... I'd take Grant back at 4 years $120 million and let him replace Bojan's role if we can get a lottery pick for Bojan.

Or get one of a dozen other good FA starters even if they are going to get paid a bit more than Bojan.

I also think we really need to shift to a defensive minset as a franchise if we're going to make the playoffs next year.

[kingmob]

Y'all are complaining about Boggy's defense....please tell me who plays defense in this league? There are a small% of teams/players that play real defense, the rest is some effort and scheme and teams still score 120 on them.

He is not some defensive stallworth, but he tries and moves. Weaver should absolutely pick a high price point and not budge. A 22nd pick in the draft won't be better than Bojan.

[SuperBad]

Could B.B be used in the summer to bring in Draymond then you get V.W., Duran,Stewart, Bagley, alternate between big ball and small ball.

[theBigLip]

Y'all are complaining about Boggy's defense....please tell me who plays defense in this league? There are a small% of teams/players that play real defense, the rest is some effort and scheme and teams still score 120 on them.

He is not some defensive stallworth, but he tries and moves. Weaver should absolutely pick a high price point and not budge. A 22nd pick in the draft won't be better than Bojan.

Watch the playoffs. If you can’t play D you don’t get to play. Good teams just torture bad defenders until the coach has to pull them.

[theBigLip]

Could B.B be used in the summer to bring in Draymond then you get V.W., Duran,Stewart, Bagley, alternate between big ball and small ball.

Draymond as Assistant Coach would be great. As a player at $20+, not so excited about that.

[Snakebites]

Could B.B be used in the summer to bring in Draymond then you get V.W., Duran,Stewart, Bagley, alternate between big ball and small ball.

Draymond as Assistant Coach would be great. As a player at $20+, not so excited about that.

Dray is a super smart player but his personality is problematic for coaching IMO.

Coaching is as much about personality as it is about b-ball IQ.

I definitely don’t want him on this team as a player for other reasons though. He thrives making plays for teammates in space. We don’t have enough off ball talent to make use of him offensively.

I won’t call him a system player but I do think it takes a specific type of team like the one he’s been on to make full use of him.

[mattao313]

Could B.B be used in the summer to bring in Draymond then you get V.W., Duran,Stewart, Bagley, alternate between big ball and small ball.

Draymond as Assistant Coach would be great. As a player at $20+, not so excited about that.

Yeah I'd love to have draymond but not for what he wants the guy is pretty close to being cooked imo

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[pistons4ever]

Dray as a free agent ......trade pick no 2 or 3 (if we dont get VW and dont fall more) for the biggest "star" ( think that some stars could be available for scoot....not top ten players like giannis jokic or doncic....but some of booker, brown if the celtics dont win it all, sga??? And then trade some of hayes, burks,Bey,bagley and future 2nd round picks or all for the best available big man(not a star but a rotation Player? And a shooter live seth curry


Dray
Duren
Stewart
Xxx for Package
Bogdanovic
Livers
Cunningham
Ivey
Xxx for Our pick
Curry

That would be a nice core

[SuperBad]

If you got V.W he would be a greater asset I think one as a teacher, two as a player, three to direct the circus that would follow the young superstar to Detroit.

[Sort]

Draymond Green as a coach? Yes, we are all witnessing this mostly in two-dimensions on tiny screens from couches. That said, I don't see any interpersonal skills and you can't have a coach that's going to lose control. Draymond is trying to build his entertainment brand anyway.

I still don't see any move on the horizon except for maybe a Burks trade. I am cheering for Toronto and Chicago to make some deals though. And I would seriously consider trading for Collins, risky as that may be. Just wish we had a better coach and environment before making a move like that.

[Canadafan]

Draymond Green as a coach? Yes, we are all witnessing this mostly in two-dimensions on tiny screens from couches. That said, I don't see any interpersonal skills and you can't have a coach that's going to lose control. Draymond is trying to build his entertainment brand anyway.

I still don't see any move on the horizon except for maybe a Burks trade. I am cheering for Toronto and Chicago to make some deals though. And I would seriously consider trading for Collins, risky as that may be. Just wish we had a better coach and environment before making a move like that.

[Canadafan]

So I won't make a seperate thread for this but how about we come up with a consensus opinion on who we think could be a fantastic addition to our squad either thru trade or free agency. I keep obsessively harping on Ayton last year and mY new fascination seems to be Colins lol . I believe the way we are constructed and depending if we luck out and get Wemby, that we desperately need a SF. And opposite of that if we don't get Wemby and draft a SF type, we desperately need a big man.
So Piston fans....who we got? Let's get ourselves a target and make this **** happen! Lol

[Pharaoh]

So I won't make a seperate thread for this but how about we come up with a consensus opinion on who we think could be a fantastic addition to our squad either thru trade or free agency. I keep obsessively harping on Ayton last year and mY new fascination seems to be Colins lol . I believe the way we are constructed and depending if we luck out and get Wemby, that we desperately need a SF. And opposite of that if we don't get Wemby and draft a SF type, we desperately need a big man.
So Piston fans....who we got? Let's get ourselves a target and make this shirt happen! Lol

Grant Williams

Not only would he be a stellar fit on both ends of the floor regardless of where our Draft pick falls but IF we sign him it's a big blow to the Celtics

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[Canadafan]

Between Burks Noel Cojo Hami we have $30mil in expirings.
What picks+young players could we get from Miami to take on Duncan? Brooklyn to take on Joe Harris? Philly to take on Tobias? Knicks to take on Fournier?

[zeebneeb]

So I won't make a seperate thread for this but how about we come up with a consensus opinion on who we think could be a fantastic addition to our squad either thru trade or free agency. I keep obsessively harping on Ayton last year and mY new fascination seems to be Colins lol . I believe the way we are constructed and depending if we luck out and get Wemby, that we desperately need a SF. And opposite of that if we don't get Wemby and draft a SF type, we desperately need a big man.
So Piston fans....who we got? Let's get ourselves a target and make this shirt happen! Lol

Grant Williams

Not only would he be a stellar fit on both ends of the floor regardless of where our Draft pick falls but IF we sign him it's a big blow to the Celtics

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So what are your thoughts on Grant playing the SF position? He is listed as, and usually plays the PF position. The Pistons, regardless of the term "position less basketball" still need a defender to play the bevy of guys at that position.

He doesn't seem fast enough to me to man that spot. Don't get me wrong, I really like his defense, and his 3p%, and ability to be in the right spot, but doesn't signing him still leave Bey, or Bojan to man that spot?

Edit* gonna add on to this with an article, that to me is disturbing.

"Recently, Bogdanovic himself revealed that Detroit told him he was part of their future plans, and that the team hopes to be “great” next season."


"But one league source went so far as asserting this week that the Pistons would refuse to surrender Bogdanović even if offered that fully unprotected future first-round pick that everyone says Detroit covets.”

https://pistonpowered.com/2023/02/02/nba-trade-rumors-sources-pistons/amp/


Weaver is going all in for next year apparently. I hope he's right, and the team is "great" next year, because of he does indeed turn down some unprotected picks for Bojan, in an attempt to win next season, oh boy.

[NYPiston]

Yeah, there is something to be said for simply increasing the value of your assets, whether those are future picks or young prospects or desirable contracts. The theory obviously being you can then hopefully consolidate some of that value for more impact players. Sometimes you simply need more talent and this is one way to get there; eek out value.

Weaver however tends to be more mission oriented than value oriented. He pursues specific objectives, sometimes regardless of the "value". He wants what he wants. Which can be both good and bad.

He executes his plans. Whether those plans have the desired impact is sorta what's in question. Bogey made a lot more sense when Cade was healthy and Weaver may still be committed to that plan.

I dunno. The lack of defense bothers me. Not just in relation to Bojan, but up & down the roster. From the coaching staff. From the executive team. It's not my personal preference for organizational identity.

But I'm just some dude sitting on a couch, so wtf do I know? He gets paid to make those decisions. *shrug*

I think Weaver tried to form a defensive identity to start out. All of Hayes, Bey and Stewart were known for their defense then it was the Pistons that lacked offense so he drafted Cade (no brainer) and Ivey the next two drafts and signed Bojan/traded for Burks. He also traded for Duren who is tracking to be a defensive stalwart so I wouldn't say that Weaver is ignoring defense, I think he's just acquiring talent at this point not really shoehorning need into his decision.
I also think coaching is a problem in terms of defensive structure, there is none and the players often looked lost as a result. That points to a coaching problem as much as it's a personnel problem, although the inexperienced roster is playing a part.

The REAL test for Weaver starts this offseason. He's been in the "building" phase the last 2+ seasons just trying to add whatever talent he can but now it has to be about creating a TEAM, not just a mishmash of players. He's going to add another big piece in the draft and has a wealth of cap space to work with. It's time for him to **** or get off the pot.