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[sc8581]

Defenders now have so much more length and athleticism, plus they play the ball, evolution yo.

Seriously? You're gonna argue the athleticism of today's players & length is gonna kill Jordan?

I'm with Pharaoh on this one. All of the length and athleticism of today can't stop Harden from getting to the line and any spot he wants on the court, and he plays for the whistle. MJ plays to dunk in your face. Good luck guarding that.

Regular season Harden did well, playoffs, not so much. A 13 turnover game for example, plus every time he dominated the ball the offense was pretty bad.

[Pharaoh]

Seriously? You're gonna argue the athleticism of today's players & length is gonna kill Jordan?

I'm with Pharaoh on this one. All of the length and athleticism of today can't stop Harden from getting to the line and any spot he wants on the court, and he plays for the whistle. MJ plays to dunk in your face. Good luck guarding that.

Regular season Harden did well, playoffs, not so much. A 13 turnover game for example, plus every time he dominated the ball the offense was pretty bad.

MJ is not Harden though.

You said players athleticism and length would stop Jordan. Big Shot pointed out (correctly) that you're wrong and used Harden to illustrate his point.

Besides, in the triangle, with Pippen Jordan didn't really hang on to the ball like Harden does. He never really pounded the air out of the ball - the triangle is all about movements (of the ball and players)

Fact is MJ would have dominated today! Could get to the hoop with ease back then - now it would be even easier.

[sc8581]

I'm with Pharaoh on this one. All of the length and athleticism of today can't stop Harden from getting to the line and any spot he wants on the court, and he plays for the whistle. MJ plays to dunk in your face. Good luck guarding that.

Regular season Harden did well, playoffs, not so much. A 13 turnover game for example, plus every time he dominated the ball the offense was pretty bad.

MJ is not Harden though.

You said players athleticism and length would stop Jordan. Big Shot pointed out (correctly) that you're wrong and used Harden to illustrate his point.

Besides, in the triangle, with Pippen Jordan didn't really hang on to the ball like Harden does. He never really pounded the air out of the ball - the triangle is all about movements (of the ball and players)

Fact is MJ would have dominated today! Could get to the hoop with ease back then - now it would be even easier.

MJ couldn't handle the players today, that is the only fact here. He was slower and yes, less athletic. It's the evolution of sports, it's really that simple.

[Pharaoh]

Regular season Harden did well, playoffs, not so much. A 13 turnover game for example, plus every time he dominated the ball the offense was pretty bad.

MJ is not Harden though.

You said players athleticism and length would stop Jordan. Big Shot pointed out (correctly) that you're wrong and used Harden to illustrate his point.

Besides, in the triangle, with Pippen Jordan didn't really hang on to the ball like Harden does. He never really pounded the air out of the ball - the triangle is all about movements (of the ball and players)

Fact is MJ would have dominated today! Could get to the hoop with ease back then - now it would be even easier.

MJ couldn't handle the players today, that is the only fact here. He was slower and yes, less athletic. It's the evolution of sports, it's really that simple.

LMAO!

He was fast enough
He was athletic enough
He was long enough

Any attribute you choose to name MJ had enough of it to not only compete at the highest level but he set the standard that ALL players are measured by!

Yes the game has evolved but to say a prime Jordan wouldn't thrive in today's NBA us to understate his abilities.

He is - without a doubt - the best ever!

He doesn't have the most rings.
He wasn't the most athletic ever
He wasn't the fastest ever
He wasn't the longest ever
He wasn't the best shooter ever
Wasn't the best defender ever

Just the best. And that's enough

[sc8581]

MJ is not Harden though.

You said players athleticism and length would stop Jordan. Big Shot pointed out (correctly) that you're wrong and used Harden to illustrate his point.

Besides, in the triangle, with Pippen Jordan didn't really hang on to the ball like Harden does. He never really pounded the air out of the ball - the triangle is all about movements (of the ball and players)

Fact is MJ would have dominated today! Could get to the hoop with ease back then - now it would be even easier.

MJ couldn't handle the players today, that is the only fact here. He was slower and yes, less athletic. It's the evolution of sports, it's really that simple.

LMAO!

He was fast enough
He was athletic enough
He was long enough

Any attribute you choose to name MJ had enough of it to not only compete at the highest level but he set the standard that ALL players are measured by!

Yes the game has evolved but to say a prime Jordan wouldn't thrive in today's NBA us to understate his abilities.

He is - without a doubt - the best ever!

He doesn't have the most rings.
He wasn't the most athletic ever
He wasn't the fastest ever
He wasn't the longest ever
He wasn't the best shooter ever
Wasn't the best defender ever

Just the best. And that's enough

I think he would be a good player but not an MVP candidate year in and year out and certainly not leading that Cavs team the way LeBron just did. Jordan was 6'4 without shoes and had maybe a 6'9 wingspan, back then that was great size for a SG, now not so much.

The game is so much faster now, I'm not talking about the tempo, I'm talking about every individual play and when the best defense in the league I'd keying in on stopping you and only you, it's going to be impossible to carry such a load for anyone. GS has the MVP, another all-star, a DPOY candidate, the finals MVP and a really good defensive center yet they still had a hell of a time handling LBJ and a bunch of bums, that alone should tell you how amazing he is.

Sorry I got a little of the direct topic, I'm tired lol

[Pharaoh]

MJ couldn't handle the players today, that is the only fact here. He was slower and yes, less athletic. It's the evolution of sports, it's really that simple.

LMAO!

He was fast enough
He was athletic enough
He was long enough

Any attribute you choose to name MJ had enough of it to not only compete at the highest level but he set the standard that ALL players are measured by!

Yes the game has evolved but to say a prime Jordan wouldn't thrive in today's NBA us to understate his abilities.

He is - without a doubt - the best ever!

He doesn't have the most rings.
He wasn't the most athletic ever
He wasn't the fastest ever
He wasn't the longest ever
He wasn't the best shooter ever
Wasn't the best defender ever

Just the best. And that's enough

I think he would be a good player but not an MVP candidate year in and year out and certainly not leading that Cavs team the way LeBron just did. Jordan was 6'4 without shoes and had maybe a 6'9 wingspan, back then that was great size for a SG, now not so much.

6'4" without shoes? Since when do NBA players not wear shoes? Maybe you used 6'4" and not the usual 6'6" is cause it kinda helps your case?

Jordan was 6'5"-6'7" depending on who was speaking at the time. Perfectly fine for an NBA SG in any era.

The game is so much faster now, I'm not talking about the tempo, I'm talking about every individual play and when the best defense in the league I'd keying in on stopping you and only you, it's going to be impossible to carry such a load for anyone.

You think every single defense back in the day wasn't keyed in on stopping Jordan? The Jordan Rules, remember? There ain't no Lebron Rules dude!

GS has the MVP, another all-star, a DPOY candidate, the finals MVP and a really good defensive center yet they still had a hell of a time handling LBJ and a bunch of bums, that alone should tell you how amazing he is.

Lebron is amazing! Never said he wasn't. But he's not the G.O.A.T.

And please man: you don't have to label the Warriors players like that. I know who is who - and also know Iggy didn't deserve the Finals MVP! Lebron shoulda won that unanimously!

That doesn't mean he's better than Jordan though

[MrBigShot]

How quickly they forget. How many players in the NBA have the athleticism to pull off this move? Could probably count them on one hand.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJUNVTiqtDY[/youtube]

[DBC10]

Kobe is listed at 6-6 but he's closer to 6-5 without shoes at best and 6-4 and 3/4 at worst. Jordan and Kobe are eerily similar in height in pictures so I imagine Jordan is the same.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kobebryant-88229-makeawishfoundation-lakers.html?page=2

[sc8581]

How quickly they forget. How many players in the NBA have the athleticism to pull off this move? Could probably count them on one hand.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJUNVTiqtDY[/youtube]

Notice how he wasn't in the air very long compared to players nowadays? Notice how the slow stiff defenders just stand around?

[Pharaoh]

LMAO! You're kidding yourself if you think Jordan wasn't athletic enough to dominate today's league...not gonna go over the same stuff though since this is supposed to be the thread for stuff happening in the league atm

IMO: Lebron ain't top 5 ever.

[sc8581]

LMAO! You're kidding yourself if you think Jordan wasn't athletic enough to dominate today's league...not gonna go over the same stuff though since this is supposed to be the thread for stuff happening in the league atm

IMO: Lebron ain't top 5 ever.

All sports are faster with better players now, from basketball to hockey to golf, all of them.

[Pharaoh]

LMAO! You're kidding yourself if you think Jordan wasn't athletic enough to dominate today's league...not gonna go over the same stuff though since this is supposed to be the thread for stuff happening in the league atm

IMO: Lebron ain't top 5 ever.

All sports are faster with better players now, from basketball to hockey to golf, all of them.

And?

That's not up for debate dude. The argument some are making is that LeBron is better than Jordan was.

He's not. Nothing wrong with that since no one's better than Jordan!

[sc8581]

LMAO! You're kidding yourself if you think Jordan wasn't athletic enough to dominate today's league...not gonna go over the same stuff though since this is supposed to be the thread for stuff happening in the league atm

IMO: Lebron ain't top 5 ever.

All sports are faster with better players now, from basketball to hockey to golf, all of them.

And?

That's not up for debate dude. The argument some are making is that LeBron is better than Jordan was.

He's not. Nothing wrong with that since no one's better than Jordan!

But he is, that's the point I'm trying to make lol

[Cowology]

Hand checking is a valid argument, but Jordan also palmed the ball like... 90% of the time. And zone defenses also mean you can take away potential driving lanes and provide support without committing to a hard double. Jordan was mentally/physically tougher having played in a more brutal era that LeBron may or not have been able to adapt to. If LBJ went through the Bad Boy crucible would it have strengthened him?

Jordan probably could average 40 pts in todays league, but I'm not 100% convinced that would be a good thing. Today's game is largely about spacing and ball movement. I personally think 32-9-6 would be a much better statline for him.

And for as much as we herald Jordans ability to keep his teammates in check, players today have much bigger ego's. Paychecks are larger, social media attention has increased tenfold. There is a reason old school coaches are dying out in favor of more player friendly coaches. I'm not sure guys would actually want to play with Jordan or respond to his competitiveness.

[sc8581]

Hand checking is a valid argument, but Jordan also palmed the ball like... 90% of the time. And zone defenses also mean you can take away potential driving lanes and provide support without committing to a hard double. Jordan was mentally/physically tougher having played in a more brutal era that LeBron may or not have been able to adapt to. If LBJ went through the Bad Boy crucible would it have strengthened him?

Jordan probably could average 40 pts in todays league, but I'm not 100% convinced that would be a good thing. Today's game is largely about spacing and ball movement. I personally think 32-9-6 would be a much better statline for him.

And for as much as we herald Jordans ability to keep his teammates in check, players today have much bigger ego's. Paychecks are larger, social media attention has increased tenfold. There is a reason old school coaches are dying out in favor of more player friendly coaches. I'm not sure guys would actually want to play with Jordan or respond to his competitiveness.

You mean like Kobe lol

[hoophabit]

Jordan is a standout in any era. His body control and touch around the basket were second to none. Certainly among the select for a possible GOAT.

Cow, I'm inclined to think that LeBron would have thrived in Jordan's era. All that athletic talent and strength, and much more freedom to use the latter?

Personally, I don't like to try to identify a GOAT and am content to just marvel at the greats. Was Jordan really better than Russell? He was no doubt the better scorer, but defending and rebounding? Both were great team leaders.

[Snakebites]

You guys should know by now that sc8581 will stick to his guns no matter how good a job you do disputing his points. Use your valuable time on other things.

[sc8581]

You guys should know by now that sc8581 will stick to his guns no matter how good a job you do disputing his points. Use your valuable time on other things.

Just like how I stuck to my guns about Monroe being a bad fit and hindering the team?

[Pharaoh]

All sports are faster with better players now, from basketball to hockey to golf, all of them.

And?

That's not up for debate dude. The argument some are making is that LeBron is better than Jordan was.

He's not. Nothing wrong with that since no one's better than Jordan!

But he is, that's the point I'm trying to make lol

And I've made counter points.

IF you believe that Lebron is better than MJ then you're in the minority.

[sc8581]

And?

That's not up for debate dude. The argument some are making is that LeBron is better than Jordan was.

He's not. Nothing wrong with that since no one's better than Jordan!

But he is, that's the point I'm trying to make lol

And I've made counter points.

IF you believe that Lebron is better than MJ then you're in the minority.

I'm in the minority about 80% of the time on this forum, doesn't mean I'm wrong lol.

When I started posting on here two years ago, 3 of my first posts were...

Trade Monroe for Leonard
Trade Monroe for Hayward
Trade Monroe for Ilyasova and a pick or another player

I got hated on then too but looking back all 3 would have been great moves huh?