The Lottery - Tuesday, May 20th

[Sheeeeed]

For all those saying the culprit is Joe Dumars... Why wouldn't you blame Tom Gores over Dumars? I mean, Dumars cannot amnesty BG without Gores approval.

There isn't a need to get rid of BG if BG wasn't signed in the first place.

You could also say... Dumars wouldn't of crapped his pants and signed two players out of panic if the organization wouldn't have went in lockdown mode for two years under Karen Davidson. The arguments could go on and on, I don't blame Dumars here as much as I blame Gores.

I don't believe Gores put a gun to Dumars head and told him to trade away a 1st rd pick to get rid of BG.

[DETermination]

Wow, that's some **** luck. It's happened to us all to often, so I sympathize.

On the bright side, this opens things up for you guys to rebuild. Tank if you wish, which I honestly feel might be for the best of your team's future.

There will be no tanking from this years pistons, not with Stan Van Gundy here. I can see us making some trades and free agent signing trying to get better shooters around Drummond.

[NMerch]

You know what. We have SVG and Drummond. SVG is not missing the playoffs and never has. I have faith in the FO


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[Invictus88]

There isn't a need to get rid of BG if BG wasn't signed in the first place.

You could also say... Dumars wouldn't of crapped his pants and signed two players out of panic if the organization wouldn't have went in lockdown mode for two years under Karen Davidson. The arguments could go on and on, I don't blame Dumars here as much as I blame Gores.

The fact of the matter is that Dumars made the moves, regardless of the pressure being put on him. And he didn't just fail to improve the team, he basically destroyed it while trading away a valuable future asset.

Agreed. Dumars was the GM. It is his responsibility to make personnel moves. The idea to trade the draft pick almost certainly either came from Dumars or from a guy from Charlotte. It was Dumars responsibility for either approving the move or taking it to Gores to approve.

[Laimbeer]

Dumars screwed up plenty, but tonight is 100% on Gores. Giving up a #1 instead of using the amnesty on Gordon was a purely financial decision. It was not a basketball decision.

[NickLidstrom]

You could also say... Dumars wouldn't of crapped his pants and signed two players out of panic if the organization wouldn't have went in lockdown mode for two years under Karen Davidson. The arguments could go on and on, I don't blame Dumars here as much as I blame Gores.

The fact of the matter is that Dumars made the moves, regardless of the pressure being put on him. And he didn't just fail to improve the team, he basically destroyed it while trading away a valuable future asset.

We wouldn't of lost that asset had Gores agreed to pay BG to go away. I'm not defending Dumars because he was horrible, but IMO this is Gores fault more than Joe D... Plus, Gores could have just cleaned house coming in and not let Dumars CONTINUE to screw this up.

We also wouldn't have lost that asset if Dumars hadn't traded it away. He's the GM. I guess you can fault Gores for not canning him immediately, but he was still a new owner and Joe had earned one more shot at rebuilding. Joe just totally blew that chance.

[MotorCityFanBoy]

You know what. We have SVG and Drummond. SVG is not missing the playoffs and never has. I have faith in the FO


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Isn't it nice to say that and actually believe it for the first time in a while?

[DETermination]

Do you think there would be any team willing to trade their 1st round pick for Smith?

[Q00]

- We are going to have to overpay for anyone of value to choose to come to Detroit over most clubs.
- The draft class next year is much weaker. It would have been much more preferable to give up that pick.

- I'd be shocked if we were as bad next year as this one, meaning we likely won't have the 8th worst record and thus a worse pick to boot.

- We are a long ways from winning and need cornerstone pieces. The most cost effective (and in our case effective in general) to get those is by drafting well and developing talent.

We've been in the lotto for 4 years straight. If you can't accumulate enough cornerstones through the draft in 4 years, then maybe you don't deserve a 5th chance.

If we didn't have capspace I would agree with needing go the cost effective route building through the draft, but when we have max capspace thats not necessary like you are making it to be. You can't just build a team entirely through the draft.

We have our cornerstone already in Drummond. Most teams don't get more than 1 young superstar to build around.

You are absolutely right that we've been terrible at drafting. This is *Undeniable*.

But that doesn't change the fact that it would have been preferable to have the pick this year over next. Or that it's better for the Pistons to build the team via drafting then by signing free agents.

yeah I wasn't saying it was preferrable to lose the pick. Just that its not as bad as it seems right now. We've still got Stan and tons of capspace and the 38th pick in a deep draft where we could still get a steal. Or even package it with someone like Singler perhaps to maybe move back up into the late first and maybe get someone like Napier or Payne.

Not good to lose the pick this year, but we'll be ok.

[Blkbrd671]

Unless I'm mistaken, 1.7% isn't 0%. If you ran the lottery 100 times, you'd expect Cleveland to win one or two. Last year's draft is a completely separate statistical event, so the two don't relate to each other in any way.

iF I do recall correctly, i'll refer to the coin flip example. When you initially flip a coin, you have a 50% chance of it landing on heads, when you flip it again, statistically you landing on heads again is not 50% chance. While they are seperate flips, they do correlate.

*if i recall correctly

[haulerch]

If I was Dumars, I probably would have done the same thing... Gores demanding success now, you weren't going to get there with BG who stopped playing basketball after he left Chicago. That seat was pretty damn hot, had to try and do something to become competitive... The reality is Gores should of fired him immediately. There was nothing good to come from a playoffs or bust mandate.

[MountainDrew]

I truly feel bad for you guys.

[Blkbrd671]

1.7% chance of Cleveland getting #1

What a joke

i wonder statistically what the chances were of them winning 2 years in a row

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Roughly 1 in 381 shot.

wasn't actually expecting to get a answer. AWESOME thank you

[Snakebites]

Honestly, when I think about the frustration about this lottery, us losing our pick doesn't even enter the equation.

I am genuinely pissed that we lost it because CLEVELAND moved up, though.

[HornetJail]

Wow, that's some **** luck. It's happened to us all to often, so I sympathize.

On the bright side, this opens things up for you guys to rebuild. Tank if you wish, which I honestly feel might be for the best of your team's future.

There will be no tanking from this years pistons, not with Stan Van Gundy here. I can see us making some trades and free agent signing trying to get better shooters around Drummond.

An overhaul is certainly in order. There are no rotation-caliber players on your roster capable of hitting a three. Those Orlando teams were the exact opposite. It was Dwight and four shooters on the floor most of the time. Where are all those shooters going to come from?

[MotorCityFanBoy]

Unless I'm mistaken, 1.7% isn't 0%. If you ran the lottery 100 times, you'd expect Cleveland to win one or two. Last year's draft is a completely separate statistical event, so the two don't relate to each other in any way.

iF I do recall correctly, i'll refer to the coin flip example. When you initially flip a coin, you have a 50% chance of it landing on heads, when you flip it again, statistically you landing on heads again is not 50% chance. While they are seperate flips, they do correlate.

*if i recall correctly

I think regardless of how many times it lands on heads or tails in a row the odds of the it doing so again are still 50% each flip is its own individual event and isn't effected in any way be previous or future flips.

[MotownMadness]

So how does that work with trading 1st rounders now for us. I know you can't trade consecutive picks but are we all clear now that we lost it?

[c-dot]

So Cleveland gets Johnny Maziel and A. Wiggins? &*%$!

[Q00]

I know this isn't going to happen but Charlotte does have the option to pass on the pick this year, if they think we could be worse next year and it become an even better pick.

Likely not happening, but just thought I'd mention there's still a tiny chance of keeping the pick. I can't see them doing that though personally.

[Bakuto]

Pray we suck next year and get Mudiay.

Also pray Cleveland makes the playoffs so they don't jump ahead next draft and snag him.