Game 10: Detroit Pistons (5-4) Vs. Los Angeles Lakers (1-8) 9:30PM

vic · Post #461 » by **vic** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:10 pm

As good as SVG has been overall for this franchise, I hate to say it but all of our underperforming can be blamed on him.

Panicking about Dinwiddie and bringing in Steve Blake was a very bad decision. Dinwiddie plays well In actual NBA games he's a smart player and we saw that last year and we have seen it this year.

Most old-school coaches like SVG will give a free pass to all veterans and let them play through mistakes, but young players that are better than veterans, they will yank after the first mistake. This is stupid and it has caused the Pistons to lose games.

Dinwiddie makes quick decisions, Reggie bullock makes quick decisions with the ball, Stanley Johnson makes quick decisions with the ball. Those three guys need to get minutes. We don't need to be abusing our starters and having them play the most minutes in the league. Fatigue is a problem that new school coaches have learned to avoid.

Instead we've got fatigued starters dribbling the ball instead of passing. With the least amount of assists and one of the worst offenses in the league.

RJ
KCP
SJ
Ersan
Drummond

spencer
bullock
Morris
Tolliver
baynes

Svg needs to mix ball movers cutters and spot up shooters instead of going with his 1989 style starting lineup

Good thing about SVG is he's pretty realistic and he sometimes learns from his mistakes. So hopefully he gets this straight

DBC10 · Post #462 » by **DBC10** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:16 pm

^Agreed.

No one on the team cuts to the basket anymore. I remember when Monroe was here, they would run that play where Moose would post up at the high post and KCP (or whoever on the wing) would immediately dive to the basket from the weak side and get a crisp bounce pass from Monroe for an easy assist or draw a foul.

Nobody on this team is playing in any sync to help the offense get going by off ball movement. That starts with RJ too. Great PGs nowadays don't just initiate on the top of the 3 point line, they actually start off with PGs moving around the baseline from down screens to create a flex action or off of HORNs.

vic · Post #463 » by **vic** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:21 pm

And somebody else mentioned this too... but Marcus Morris is clogging up the post just as much as Greg Monroe was

vic · Post #464 » by **vic** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:30 pm

This is surreal... they're actually playing 3 bigs again... just like last year. Marcus Morris is 6'9

princeofpalace · Post #465 » by **princeofpalace** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:47 pm

Morris is a 6'8 SF. 72% of his shots are outside of 10 feet. Comparing him to Monroe is a joke. He's just an inefficient shooter and ball hog and that hurts our offense.

tradez401 · Post #466 » by **tradez401** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:05 pm

didnt watch the game had to work but a positive from the game is dinwiddie simply outplayed blake for that backup pg spot...other then that we looked like a total mess when jennings come back i'd like to see this lineup and bench

jennings
jackson
johnson
illyasova
drummond

and the bench

dinwiddie
meeks/kcp
kcp/morris
morris/tolliver
baynes

A-Wins · Post #467 » by **A-Wins** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:35 pm

tradez401 wrote:didnt watch the game had to work but a positive from the game is dinwiddie simply outplayed blake for that backup pg spot...other then that we looked like a total mess when jennings come back i'd like to see this lineup and bench

jennings
jackson
johnson
illyasova
drummond

and the bench

dinwiddie
meeks/kcp
kcp/morris
morris/tolliver
baynes

I don't think we can afford to start both Jennings and Jackson.

Montanabadboy · Post #468 » by **Montanabadboy** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:44 pm

A_dub06 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:Before anyone hops onto the "we should have drafted winslow" bandwagon

You look like idiots making this assertion 10 games into a season. Its one thing if JW is blowing up, and SJ is stuck behind bullock, but he's not, SVG seems to trust him and having good games and moments of his own..................so please stop trolling or being blind!

I'm not jumping on the wagon, I've been a passenger since well before the draft which my posts before and during the draft will confirm.

Johnson is a rookie so mistakes are a given and to expect anything but is as you say, idiotic. Some of the factors making Johnson over Winslow an easier pill to swallow was his readiness that we saw in summer league and pre-season, his shooting %, ability to handle the ball and defence. Ten games in and Winslow has slightly better %'s but less production per 36mins in other stats which should mean that Johnson is the better player, but at this point while being so similar statistically wouldn't you prefer the player with the higher potential which is unquestionably Winslow due to his athleticism and insane defence? The potential is what really gets me and has since draft day. I know we can keep saying "it's only ten games in" and to define a player after ten games is absurd but at some point I know we will wake up to reality and say we passed on a star. I really hope Johnson outplays Winslow and becomes the better player but Winslow for at least a couple years will feel like the one that got away. Wow that really sounds pathetic haha

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That's funny, because I think that it's Johnson who has "unquestionably more potential" than Winslow. This is never going to be as clear cut as I would like it to be. I think that Winslow will be able to fill a role magnificently, but I think SJ has the ability to be a playmaker and real difference maker. They will both go on to have very nice careers, I think, and while I was hoping Johnson's summer league and pre-season would carry over into the regular season, there's no question there will be speed bumps along the way. I predict we'll see them both hit their stride as the season goes on, then they'll both hit the wall after the all-star game, after that, we'll see which one can rally bounce back as both teams are probably making a playoff push.

Pistone · Post #469 » by **Pistone** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:12 pm

i think it's all about fatigue
trust the bench even if it's mediocre

PG: Jackson 34 / Dinwiddie 14
SG: Kcp 34 / Bullock 10/ Johnson 4
SF:Morris 28 / Johnson 20
PF: Ilyasova 24 / Morris 6 / Tolliver 18
C: Drummond 36 Baynes 12

Han Solo · Post #470 » by **Han Solo** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:52 pm

i was suspended by tsherkin for saying.. Reggie averages 5 assists on 4 turnovers, you obviously don't watch the Pistons.. I'm out.. peace fellas. For the pistons mods here, please tell me how that is punishable?

Todd3 · Post #471 » by **Todd3** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:54 pm

vic wrote:As good as SVG has been overall for this franchise, I hate to say it but all of our underperforming can be blamed on him.

Panicking about Dinwiddie and bringing in Steve Blake was a very bad decision. Dinwiddie plays well In actual NBA games he's a smart player and we saw that last year and we have seen it this year.

Most old-school coaches like SVG will give a free pass to all veterans and let them play through mistakes, but young players that are better than veterans, they will yank after the first mistake. This is stupid and it has caused the Pistons to lose games.

Dinwiddie makes quick decisions, Reggie bullock makes quick decisions with the ball, Stanley Johnson makes quick decisions with the ball. Those three guys need to get minutes. We don't need to be abusing our starters and having them play the most minutes in the league. Fatigue is a problem that new school coaches have learned to avoid.

Instead we've got fatigued starters dribbling the ball instead of passing. With the least amount of assists and one of the worst offenses in the league.

RJ
KCP
SJ
Ersan
Drummond

spencer
bullock
Morris
Tolliver
baynes

Svg needs to mix ball movers cutters and spot up shooters instead of going with his 1989 style starting lineup

Good thing about SVG is he's pretty realistic and he sometimes learns from his mistakes. So hopefully he gets this straight

Agree with everything, though I would try Bullock over KCP as well. To me its not hard to see why we have been a poor shooting team the last 3 yrs. Just look at our starting shooting guard during that span and you see a career 40% FG/33% 3FG shooter at the position that most defines how good/bad a team is at shooting.

He is not a starting SG. At least not on a team built around a non shooting C and penetrating PG. It just can't work with a SG who can't shoot either. Until Stan acknowledges that and gets a better shooter there, we aren't going to be a good shooting team.

Han Solo · Post #472 » by **Han Solo** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:56 pm

How can 'you obviously don't watch the Pistons" get me banned from the GB?????? This is a crock of ****.. Please respond DV33, cowology, rocodog, or snake.. this is not right man.. i don't care if it is just a board.. it's my home board and it's not right to get banned for absolutely nothing.

Han Solo · Post #473 » by **Han Solo** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:58 pm

Is there a way to file a complaint against tsherkin or does he just do whatever he wants? he suspended me for addessing the poster not the post.. Well two post later he did the same thing.. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Todd3 · Post #474 » by **Todd3** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:06 pm

Han Solo wrote:Is there a way to file a complaint against tsherkin or does he just do whatever he wants? he suspended me for addessing the poster not the post.. Well two post later he did the same thing.. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has some power issues or something. Don't know why he is allowed to mod still after repeated complaints.

He did same to me for baiting, while every post from him is baiting. Maybe he is paid by the site to rile up posters to increase page views lol

Han Solo · Post #475 » by **Han Solo** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:09 pm

Todd3 wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Is there a way to file a complaint against tsherkin or does he just do whatever he wants? he suspended me for addessing the poster not the post.. Well two post later he did the same thing.. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has some power issues or something. Don't know why he is allowed to mod still after repeated complaints.

He did same to me for baiting, while every post from him is baiting. Maybe he is paid by the site to rile up posters to increase page views lol

I just sent something to Howard mass. Not like it will matter. I've honestly had it man.. I'm polite to almost everyone on here.. Rarely do i do anything "ban worthy", if at all.

BigFatBob · Post #476 » by **BigFatBob** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:13 pm

Han Solo wrote:i was suspended by tsherkin for saying.. Reggie averages 5 assists on 4 turnovers, you obviously don't watch the Pistons.. I'm out.. peace fellas. For the pistons mods here, please tell me how that is punishable?

He deleted one of my post and when I confronted him he acted like he didn't know what I was talking about

Manocad · Post #477 » by **Manocad** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:19 am

Han Solo wrote:Is there a way to file a complaint against tsherkin or does he just do whatever he wants? he suspended me for addessing the poster not the post.. Well two post later he did the same thing.. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Send a PM to Howard Mass so at least you'll get your complaint on the record, and also post a complaint in the Feedback and Suggestions forum. Truthfully though don't expect much too happen. He's got a looooong history of the exact same complaint as yours. That's why I retired from being a mod; it has become a "protect each other" good ol' boy network. Not the Pistons mods mind you; they've all been good and have always had a reputation for being fair with everyone.

kurtis48239 · Post #478 » by **kurtis48239** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:23 am

Han Solo wrote:
Todd3 wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Is there a way to file a complaint against tsherkin or does he just do whatever he wants? he suspended me for addessing the poster not the post.. Well two post later he did the same thing.. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has some power issues or something. Don't know why he is allowed to mod still after repeated complaints.

He did same to me for baiting, while every post from him is baiting. Maybe he is paid by the site to rile up posters to increase page views lol

I just sent something to Howard mass. Not like it will matter. I've honestly had it man.. I'm polite to almost everyone on here.. Rarely do i do anything "ban worthy", if at all.

I bet if someone checked to see the amount of warnings or bans,most would come from that guy,hes the reason why I was banned from the GB and more than likely the reason I wont ever get a shot at over turning that decision..Iam pretty sure mass looks at it like hes doing his job with the amount of warnings and bans the guy hands out..It wont be until it starts to danger the site,that anything will be done about it.Whats funny is the amount of new profiles that are created by banned users that are usually forgot about that clog the system up,thats why you were asked to give up your other profiles when applying for the "CLEAN SLATE"...

Another thing thats appaling,is the way tsher is able to conduct himself as a mod and get away with repeated offense that would get anyone else banned,When he is not agreed with or someone calls out a post that is wrong,he baits the user into an arguement and then suspends them..Really pathetic.

If I didnt like the Det board and its users so much,I would of found another home by now,but its getting to the point iam always on the lookout.

kurtis48239 · Post #479 » by **kurtis48239** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:32 am

Manocad wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Is there a way to file a complaint against tsherkin or does he just do whatever he wants? he suspended me for addessing the poster not the post.. Well two post later he did the same thing.. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Send a PM to Howard Mass so at least you'll get your complaint on the record, and also post a complaint in the Feedback and Suggestions forum. Truthfully though don't expect much too happen. He's got a looooong history of the exact same complaint as yours. That's why I retired from being a mod; it has become a "protect each other" good ol' boy network. Not the Pistons mods mind you; they've all been good and have always had a reputation for being fair with everyone.

I honestly think we have the best mods on the site and if it werent for them ,the det board would probably be non exsistent.You can tell they have real lifes,because any mod that would let the job of modding get to their heads and become power hungry,obviously dont have much of anything else to do with there time..Another cause of becoming power hungry as a mod,is the feeling that they are powerless in their personal life,or havent had experience in managing people,so they come on here and push around people that they have alittle control over..Its really no suprise,the people who stick up for themselfs or give a good discussion on why they dont agree,are banned.

Manocad · Post #480 » by **Manocad** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:47 am

Oh I'm with ya. Pushing people around as a moderator of an internet message board is certainly indicative of not being able to push people around or getting pushed around in real life. But no one should let it get to them. I like it here and have been a member for a while, and I've got a rap sheet as long as my you-know-what; almost all after I retired as moderator. Mostly because I'll give it as good as I get it. When a moderator came at in a manner that was a violation of the TOS, I'd give it back to them in spades because I knew they wouldn't be punished. So I'd chew them up, spit them out, and get suspended. I'm sure part of it was due to the fact that a LOT of people on the forum know me in real life (mostly Off Topic Board folks) and know that I live a very nice life. Confirmation of that gets back to the internet bullies unhappy with their own life, and you can bet your ass that it will make you Public Enemy #1 in a hurry.