Free Agency

[Kalamazoo317]

I like Grimes' prototype and would like to see what he looks like next season before hastily moving on from him. I think he provides something useful for this roster if he's able to hit his outside shot.

[bstein14]

Cade
Duren
Stew
Ausar
Ivey
Font (FA, but likely to stay due to his low cap hold)
Grimes
Sasser
#5 Pick

That's 9 players for next year already and you really only get to have 3 more on a nightly basis and then 13-15 are players who are essentially inactive.

So one of the biggest questions for me is what type of immediate stamp will Langdon put on this team. Weaver would have never kept 8 guys. That's 2/3 of the roster being from the previous regime.

That's part of the reason I feel like Langdon makes a draft day trade or a move before training camp. He's going to want to put more of his own players in right away.

It's possible he sees guys like Sasser/Ivey/Grimes as our 13th, 14th, and 15th guys and he will want more proven players (even if its vets for deals just above what we're paying.

His vision for the opening night roster might be more like this.

C: Jonas V ($16m) / Duren / 2nd round pick
F: Just Above MLE FA Toppin? ($16m) / Stewart / Vet Min Big Man
F: Font / Ausar / Grimes
G: Tyus or Monk($22m) / (Naji Marshall $10m) / Ivey
G: Cade / Vet PG with Room Exception($8.5m) / Sasser

That's $64 million cap space plus we'd still need to figure out where our #5 pick slots into that equation so I'm thinking guys like Sasser, Ivey, Grimes could very well find themselves outside the rotation looking in.

Getting 3 new starters and a few new bench rotation players is pretty likely for a team that only just won 14 games.

[JennetteMcCurdy]

Cade
Duren
Stew
Ausar
Ivey
Font (FA, but likely to stay due to his low cap hold)
Grimes
Sasser
#5 Pick

That's 9 players for next year already and you really only get to have 3 more on a nightly basis and then 13-15 are players who are essentially inactive.

So one of the biggest questions for me is what type of immediate stamp will Langdon put on this team. Weaver would have never kept 8 guys. That's 2/3 of the roster being from the previous regime.

That's part of the reason I feel like Langdon makes a draft day trade or a move before training camp. He's going to want to put more of his own players in right away.

It's possible he sees guys like Sasser/Ivey/Grimes as our 13th, 14th, and 15th guys and he will want more proven players (even if its vets for deals just above what we're paying.

His vision for the opening night roster might be more like this.

C: Jonas V ($16m) / Duren / 2nd round pick
F: Just Above MLE FA Toppin? ($16m) / Stewart / Vet Min Big Man
F: Font / Ausar / Grimes
G: Tyus or Monk($22m) / (Naji Marshall $10m) / Ivey
G: Cade / Vet PG with Room Exception($8.5m) / Sasser

That's $64 million cap space plus we'd still need to figure out where our #5 pick slots into that equation so I'm thinking guys like Sasser, Ivey, Grimes could very well find themselves outside the rotation looking in.

Getting 3 new starters and a few new bench rotation players is pretty likely for a team that only just won 14 games.

To your thought - and it is a direction HOBO could go - then you trade Stewart, Ivey, Grimes and Sassar, because they’re going to be buried and their stats are going to drop. Maybe Duren too.

[bstein14]

Cade
Duren
Stew
Ausar
Ivey
Font (FA, but likely to stay due to his low cap hold)
Grimes
Sasser
#5 Pick

That's 9 players for next year already and you really only get to have 3 more on a nightly basis and then 13-15 are players who are essentially inactive.

So one of the biggest questions for me is what type of immediate stamp will Langdon put on this team. Weaver would have never kept 8 guys. That's 2/3 of the roster being from the previous regime.

That's part of the reason I feel like Langdon makes a draft day trade or a move before training camp. He's going to want to put more of his own players in right away.

It's possible he sees guys like Sasser/Ivey/Grimes as our 13th, 14th, and 15th guys and he will want more proven players (even if its vets for deals just above what we're paying.

His vision for the opening night roster might be more like this.

C: Jonas V ($16m) / Duren / 2nd round pick
F: Just Above MLE FA Toppin? ($16m) / Stewart / Vet Min Big Man
F: Font / Ausar / Grimes
G: Tyus or Monk($22m) / (Naji Marshall $10m) / Ivey
G: Cade / Vet PG with Room Exception($8.5m) / Sasser

That's $64 million cap space plus we'd still need to figure out where our #5 pick slots into that equation so I'm thinking guys like Sasser, Ivey, Grimes could very well find themselves outside the rotation looking in.

Getting 3 new starters and a few new bench rotation players is pretty likely for a team that only just won 14 games.

To your thought - and it is a direction HOBO could go - then you trade Stewart, Ivey, Grimes and Sassar, because they’re going to be buried and their stats are going to drop. Maybe Duren too.

Grimes might be worth a 2nd rounder in this draft. Ivey maybe pick #25 from New York or #26 from Washington. Stewart could still essentially get 23-24 MPG even if he's splitting minutes at PF with someone else. I don't think Stewart has shown he's good enough to be a 33 MPG guy and same goes to both should likely be 23-24 MPG guys (maybe both playing center).

Overall I don't think Grimes has much value he's a fringe rotation player with slight upside at this point. He's better than some of the non NBA calibur guys we've been playing for years but he's not like a 6th or 7th man like Font looks to be. Sasser is in the same boat he wasn't really a stand out on a 14 win team he's likely only worth a 2nd rounder at this point. If one of those guys works on their game and steps into being a solid rotation player its better than getting late first or early 2nd round picks at this point. That said, trading away one or two isn't a bad idea at some point so we don't end up just eventually having to get nothing like out of Sekou, Hayes, Livers, Saben Lee, Bruce Brown, Henry Elleson, KCP, Greg Monroe, Luke Kennard, Spencer Dinwiddie, Andre Drummond, Kyle SIngler, Brandon Knight, etc.... literally we've gotten almost zero value out of all of our draft picks from the past decade plus. Zero first round picks or good players came back for any of those guys.

[BadMofoPimp]

I wonder what it would take to get Trae young.

[theBigLip]

I wonder what it would take to get Trae young.

A lot of picks/young guys. I’d rather go after a much more affordable Murray.

[theBigLip]

Cade
Duren
Stew
Ausar
Ivey
Font (FA, but likely to stay due to his low cap hold)
Grimes
Sasser
#5 Pick

That's 9 players for next year already and you really only get to have 3 more on a nightly basis and then 13-15 are players who are essentially inactive.

So one of the biggest questions for me is what type of immediate stamp will Langdon put on this team. Weaver would have never kept 8 guys. That's 2/3 of the roster being from the previous regime.

That's part of the reason I feel like Langdon makes a draft day trade or a move before training camp. He's going to want to put more of his own players in right away.

It's possible he sees guys like Sasser/Ivey/Grimes as our 13th, 14th, and 15th guys and he will want more proven players (even if its vets for deals just above what we're paying.

His vision for the opening night roster might be more like this.

C: Jonas V ($16m) / Duren / 2nd round pick
F: Just Above MLE FA Toppin? ($16m) / Stewart / Vet Min Big Man
F: Font / Ausar / Grimes
G: Tyus or Monk($22m) / (Naji Marshall $10m) / Ivey
G: Cade / Vet PG with Room Exception($8.5m) / Sasser

That's $64 million cap space plus we'd still need to figure out where our #5 pick slots into that equation so I'm thinking guys like Sasser, Ivey, Grimes could very well find themselves outside the rotation looking in.

Getting 3 new starters and a few new bench rotation players is pretty likely for a team that only just won 14 games.

To your thought - and it is a direction HOBO could go - then you trade Stewart, Ivey, Grimes and Sassar, because they’re going to be buried and their stats are going to drop. Maybe Duren too.

Grimes might be worth a 2nd rounder in this draft. Ivey maybe pick #25 from New York or #26 from Washington. Stewart could still essentially get 23-24 MPG even if he's splitting minutes at PF with someone else. I don't think Stewart has shown he's good enough to be a 33 MPG guy and same goes to both should likely be 23-24 MPG guys (maybe both playing center).

Overall I don't think Grimes has much value he's a fringe rotation player with slight upside at this point. He's better than some of the non NBA calibur guys we've been playing for years but he's not like a 6th or 7th man like Font looks to be. Sasser is in the same boat he wasn't really a stand out on a 14 win team he's likely only worth a 2nd rounder at this point. If one of those guys works on their game and steps into being a solid rotation player its better than getting late first or early 2nd round picks at this point. That said, trading away one or two isn't a bad idea at some point so we don't end up just eventually having to get nothing like out of Sekou, Hayes, Livers, Saben Lee, Bruce Brown, Henry Elleson, KCP, Greg Monroe, Luke Kennard, Spencer Dinwiddie, Andre Drummond, Kyle SIngler, Brandon Knight, etc.... literally we've gotten almost zero value out of all of our draft picks from the past decade plus. Zero first round picks or good players came back for any of those guys.

I don’t think we got to see a healthy Grimes play last year. I’m hoping he’s not only rotation worthy, but pushes Ivey hard to start.

[BadMofoPimp]

I wonder what it would take to get Trae young.

A lot of picks/young guys. I’d rather go after a much more affordable Murray.

I think Altanta wants to keep Murray and trade Trae. If that is the case, I reckon Ivey and this years 1st would get it done. Would be an immediate impact on the teams play.

[theBigLip]

I wonder what it would take to get Trae young.

A lot of picks/young guys. I’d rather go after a much more affordable Murray.

I think Altanta wants to keep Murray and trade Trae. If that is the case, I reckon Ivey and this years 1st would get it done. Would be an immediate impact on the teams play.

I agree they would rather move off Trae. A lot of money (3x$45) but we’d score a lot more.

[Kalamazoo317]

You don't trade for Trae unless you're planning to trade Cade, IMO. Trae is way too ball dominant to fit with Cade.

[treefi]

I'm definitely interested in Naji Marshall if he can play some 4.

[flow]

Here's a possibility if Monty stays.

https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-paul-could-home-pistons-150016314.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADpWmYeRPPbQ29bPzhWG3dAeNQsP83xO1O5Q5OGDSX7l_36tLLPIiYCA1Ur800l75pOeqztviKTw3CAnt5WTNkntHY3XGWm5tm3-s104IzXIzlDINdE9OADKkLGOBzctpIQlIMQgguvJcPTF0WydOU8T1U9TPmIUgxiaZfYwuoKy

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[treefi]

Here's a possibility if Monty stays.

https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-paul-could-home-pistons-150016314.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADpWmYeRPPbQ29bPzhWG3dAeNQsP83xO1O5Q5OGDSX7l_36tLLPIiYCA1Ur800l75pOeqztviKTw3CAnt5WTNkntHY3XGWm5tm3-s104IzXIzlDINdE9OADKkLGOBzctpIQlIMQgguvJcPTF0WydOU8T1U9TPmIUgxiaZfYwuoKy

This would've helped a ton last year but Paul just turned 39 years old. I'd so much rather not keep Monty.

[flow]

Here's a possibility if Monty stays.

https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-paul-could-home-pistons-150016314.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADpWmYeRPPbQ29bPzhWG3dAeNQsP83xO1O5Q5OGDSX7l_36tLLPIiYCA1Ur800l75pOeqztviKTw3CAnt5WTNkntHY3XGWm5tm3-s104IzXIzlDINdE9OADKkLGOBzctpIQlIMQgguvJcPTF0WydOU8T1U9TPmIUgxiaZfYwuoKy

This would've helped a ton last year but Paul just turned 39 years old. I'd so much rather not keep Monty.

But if Monty does stay, I'd be happy to sign CP. And I'm not even a fan of his. But we have money we need to spend and at least CP can teach these guys how to run offense. He did the same in OKC for a year or two. His age is meaningless. We're not signing him long term and we're not going anywhere right now. That said, he'd have much more positive short-term impact than someone like Tobias Harris.

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[Sheeeeed]

You might as well fire Monty and hire Chris Paul to be the head coach.

[bstein14]

We’re Monty and Langdon in New Orleans together at the same time?

[LaSheed]

We’re Monty and Langdon in New Orleans together at the same time?

Don't believe so.

[Kp junior]

To your thought - and it is a direction HOBO could go - then you trade Stewart, Ivey, Grimes and Sassar, because they’re going to be buried and their stats are going to drop. Maybe Duren too.

Grimes might be worth a 2nd rounder in this draft. Ivey maybe pick #25 from New York or #26 from Washington. Stewart could still essentially get 23-24 MPG even if he's splitting minutes at PF with someone else. I don't think Stewart has shown he's good enough to be a 33 MPG guy and same goes to both should likely be 23-24 MPG guys (maybe both playing center).

Overall I don't think Grimes has much value he's a fringe rotation player with slight upside at this point. He's better than some of the non NBA calibur guys we've been playing for years but he's not like a 6th or 7th man like Font looks to be. Sasser is in the same boat he wasn't really a stand out on a 14 win team he's likely only worth a 2nd rounder at this point. If one of those guys works on their game and steps into being a solid rotation player its better than getting late first or early 2nd round picks at this point. That said, trading away one or two isn't a bad idea at some point so we don't end up just eventually having to get nothing like out of Sekou, Hayes, Livers, Saben Lee, Bruce Brown, Henry Elleson, KCP, Greg Monroe, Luke Kennard, Spencer Dinwiddie, Andre Drummond, Kyle SIngler, Brandon Knight, etc.... literally we've gotten almost zero value out of all of our draft picks from the past decade plus. Zero first round picks or good players came back for any of those guys.

I don’t think we got to see a healthy Grimes play last year. I’m hoping he’s not only rotation worthy, but pushes Ivey hard to start.

Grimes is the perfect archetype to start next to Cade at the 2. Defensive glove and low usage 3 point shooter. The question is - is he good enough. On current evidence sadly that is a not even close, but hey we’re due some luck - maybe it was the injury making him terrible?


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[theBigLip]

Grimes might be worth a 2nd rounder in this draft. Ivey maybe pick #25 from New York or #26 from Washington. Stewart could still essentially get 23-24 MPG even if he's splitting minutes at PF with someone else. I don't think Stewart has shown he's good enough to be a 33 MPG guy and same goes to both should likely be 23-24 MPG guys (maybe both playing center).

Overall I don't think Grimes has much value he's a fringe rotation player with slight upside at this point. He's better than some of the non NBA calibur guys we've been playing for years but he's not like a 6th or 7th man like Font looks to be. Sasser is in the same boat he wasn't really a stand out on a 14 win team he's likely only worth a 2nd rounder at this point. If one of those guys works on their game and steps into being a solid rotation player its better than getting late first or early 2nd round picks at this point. That said, trading away one or two isn't a bad idea at some point so we don't end up just eventually having to get nothing like out of Sekou, Hayes, Livers, Saben Lee, Bruce Brown, Henry Elleson, KCP, Greg Monroe, Luke Kennard, Spencer Dinwiddie, Andre Drummond, Kyle SIngler, Brandon Knight, etc.... literally we've gotten almost zero value out of all of our draft picks from the past decade plus. Zero first round picks or good players came back for any of those guys.

I don’t think we got to see a healthy Grimes play last year. I’m hoping he’s not only rotation worthy, but pushes Ivey hard to start.

Grimes is the perfect archetype to start next to Cade at the 2. Defensive glove and low usage 3 point shooter. The question is - is he good enough. On current evidence sadly that is a not even close, but hey we’re due some luck - maybe it was the injury making him terrible?


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I’m not sure if we ever saw Grimes at 100%. He did NOT get surgery which surprised me. Hopefully it wasn’t needed.

[bstein14]

Reportedly Hartenstein is expecting $20 million per year over four years. The Knicks can only give him 4/$72 with "early bird rights" so if another team is willing to go a bit higher to $20 million he maybe consider leaving. Nic Claxton is reportedly looking for a similar number from the Nets.