Ivey and Duren Extensions

[Cowology]

Now we have to also consider Jenkins is a FA this summer. If planning for Ausar and Holland's coming extensions means we can't keep both Ivey and Jenkins, who do you trade before the deadline? If you know you can't keep both, holding a player who will walk this summer doesn't make sense. Some sort of asset in return makes more sense than losing one empty handed.

Jenkins is the only one who controls his free agent destiny. But let's back up a little here, how much money do you think somebody will be paying Jenkins in 2026 where this is even close to a thing to consider?

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Such a small sample size, but IF he continues to play well and can get some extended minutes then I'm inclined to say he's in that Malik Monk tier. I could totally see him play himself into a better contract in 3 yrs though cuz he also gives off Brunson vibes. Like, he knows he's better than anybody wants to give him credit for and he's gonna keep proving haters wrong.

Right now everbody is waiting to make sure he isn't Jeremy Lin part 2.

[DetroitSho]

Now we have to also consider Jenkins is a FA this summer. If planning for Ausar and Holland's coming extensions means we can't keep both Ivey and Jenkins, who do you trade before the deadline? If you know you can't keep both, holding a player who will walk this summer doesn't make sense. Some sort of asset in return makes more sense than losing one empty handed.

Jenkins is the only one who controls his free agent destiny. But let's back up a little here, how much money do you think somebody will be paying Jenkins in 2026 where this is even close to a thing to consider?

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Such a small sample size, but IF he continues to play well and can get some extended minutes then I'm inclined to say he's in that Malik Monk tier. I could totally see him play himself into a better contract in 3 yrs though cuz he also gives off Brunson vibes. Like, he knows he's better than anybody wants to give him credit for and he's gonna keep proving haters wrong.

Right now everbody is waiting to make sure he isn't Jeremy Lin part 2.

Daniss Jenkins a $20 million/year player? Detroit knows it loves their 10th men I swear. But then again, I'm old enough to remember this board wanting to extend Avery Bradley for $25 million per after about 5-6 games to keep from having to pay the max to keep him. I think we jump the gun way too much around here.

Anybody remember Christian Wood for $20 mil? Fonteccio for mid to high teens?

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[tmorgan]

Yeah, I love Daniss (minus last game, couldn’t hit a thing), but it’s not going to take much to retain him. Pretty sure if you offer him 3/12 (total, not per year) he’d be happy as a pick in isht. Might not even take that much.

These kind of guys almost invariably sign a team-friendly deal initially. If he really shows out over the life of that deal, then he can get paid.

[BadMofoPimp]

Don't think Jenkins will get more than $5 mil from any team. He has looked good in spurts, but to go from G-League to in demand is asking too much.

[Dark-Oh]

Let's keep things in perspective. As a starter w/o Cade's help against Maxey, he was solid and nearly stalemated him in output turning it up in the second half to pull out the win. He got under Maxey's skin...a guy who normally can't be shaken. In limited opportunities, he has hit a handful of clutch shots that were the difference in winning two games. He plays tough defense on top of the offensive output. He has the best handle on this team BY FAR! He has a sweet outside shot and passes the ball very well. The league nominated him for player of the week, so he is getting noticed. There's no film on him and he likely benefits from no one really knowing what he's capable of. As that builds, if he continues performing like this, he will get a nice contract.

It's all going to come down to his performance between now and the end of the season. If he continues to give performances that exceed what Schroder gave us last year, you can expect him to get paid in that range as a young guy who's not fighting father time. If his play tapers off and he's not making standout plays, he might get a $5m per year contract for 2-3 years.

Sasser is coming back and he will want minutes. If he can take Jenkins' minutes, that will hurt Jenkins contract potential. If Jenkins gets 15 minutes per night and looks like a guy who should get more PT, he WILL be expensive this off-season and we might have to decide between him and Ivey given Ausar and Holland expect to get paid too.

[DetroitSho]

Let's keep things in perspective. As a starter w/o Cade's help against Maxey, he was solid and nearly stalemated him in output turning it up in the second half to pull out the win. He got under Maxey's skin...a guy who normally can't be shaken. In limited opportunities, he has hit a handful of clutch shots that were the difference in winning two games. He plays tough defense on top of the offensive output. He has the best handle on this team BY FAR! He has a sweet outside shot and passes the ball very well. The league nominated him for player of the week, so he is getting noticed. There's no film on him and he likely benefits from no one really knowing what he's capable of. As that builds, if he continues performing like this, he will get a nice contract.

It's all going to come down to his performance between now and the end of the season. If he continues to give performances that exceed what Schroder gave us last year, you can expect him to get paid in that range as a young guy who's not fighting father time. If his play tapers off and he's not making standout plays, he might get a $5m per year contract for 2-3 years.

Sasser is coming back and he will want minutes. If he can take Jenkins' minutes, that will hurt Jenkins contract potential. If Jenkins gets 15 minutes per night and looks like a guy who should get more PT, he WILL be expensive this off-season and we might have to decide between him and Ivey given Ausar and Holland expect to get paid too.

I must be in bizarro world, where 3 good weeks in November starts to open you up to 4 year $80 million contracts.

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[Dark-Oh]

Not bizarro world, but he has to keep producing. It's been more than three weeks. He lit up the summer league, lit up the G league, and has lit up the NBA in his limited opportunities so far. Is he going to fizzle out now? I doubt it when you can see he plays like a seasoned vet with the ball in his hands in pressure moments.

[bstein14]

Now we have to also consider Jenkins is a FA this summer. If planning for Ausar and Holland's coming extensions means we can't keep both Ivey and Jenkins, who do you trade before the deadline? If you know you can't keep both, holding a player who will walk this summer doesn't make sense. Some sort of asset in return makes more sense than losing one empty handed.

Jenkins is the only one who controls his free agent destiny. But let's back up a little here, how much money do you think somebody will be paying Jenkins in 2026 where this is even close to a thing to consider?

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Jenkins will most likely be signed to a multi-year contract here with us during this season, once we've passed the trade deadline. Something around 2 years $6 million.... which is a ton when you've only made $85k per year for two seasons.

[Dark-Oh]

Now we have to also consider Jenkins is a FA this summer. If planning for Ausar and Holland's coming extensions means we can't keep both Ivey and Jenkins, who do you trade before the deadline? If you know you can't keep both, holding a player who will walk this summer doesn't make sense. Some sort of asset in return makes more sense than losing one empty handed.

Jenkins is the only one who controls his free agent destiny. But let's back up a little here, how much money do you think somebody will be paying Jenkins in 2026 where this is even close to a thing to consider?

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Jenkins will most likely be signed to a multi-year contract here with us during this season, once we've passed the trade deadline. Something around 2 years $6 million.... which is a ton when you've only made $85k per year for two seasons.

Can we sign him before July? If so, that would be a good thing. If he keeps performing like this, he's not going to take that kind of deal when he can do a lot better as a FA after the season.

[Kalamazoo317]

He's the type of player that you hope to be able to sign longterm for a steal. Because value contracts like that are what build contenders.

[bstein14]

Jenkins is the only one who controls his free agent destiny. But let's back up a little here, how much money do you think somebody will be paying Jenkins in 2026 where this is even close to a thing to consider?

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Jenkins will most likely be signed to a multi-year contract here with us during this season, once we've passed the trade deadline. Something around 2 years $6 million.... which is a ton when you've only made $85k per year for two seasons.

Can we sign him before July? If so, that would be a good thing. If he keeps performing like this, he's not going to take that kind of deal when he can do a lot better as a FA after the season.

Yes, you can sign two-way players to actual deals, including multiple years.... during the season. It's possible his agent won't want to sign now but the reality is they only have one NBA player under contract now in Naji Marshall so their agency could probably use the commission on even the a $6-$10 million contract.

[Cowology]

Jenkins is the only one who controls his free agent destiny. But let's back up a little here, how much money do you think somebody will be paying Jenkins in 2026 where this is even close to a thing to consider?

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Such a small sample size, but IF he continues to play well and can get some extended minutes then I'm inclined to say he's in that Malik Monk tier. I could totally see him play himself into a better contract in 3 yrs though cuz he also gives off Brunson vibes. Like, he knows he's better than anybody wants to give him credit for and he's gonna keep proving haters wrong.

Right now everbody is waiting to make sure he isn't Jeremy Lin part 2.

Daniss Jenkins a $20 million/year player? Detroit knows it loves their 10th men I swear. But then again, I'm old enough to remember this board wanting to extend Avery Bradley for $25 million per after about 5-6 games to keep from having to pay the max to keep him. I think we jump the gun way too much around here.

Anybody remember Christian Wood for $20 mil? Fonteccio for mid to high teens?

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I'd argue the opposite; this board is notorious for underestimating player value. We *always* think we overpaid. The outrage on this board over the Stew contract still cracks me up.

We will jump through every possible hoop to explain why there is no market for somebody and how we should be able to take advantage or leverage our position to get that guy cheap!! We "overpaid" for Tobias when there was no market. Overpaid every one of our role players (THj, Levert, etc).

We always have that certainty that nobody else would ever consider paying *that* much for somebody while ignoring how typical those "overpays" actually are.

Talent costs money. I'm all for trying to lock dudes up cheap, but then you better make an aggressive enough offer that the dude isn't tempted to simply bet on himself because if not your just going to miss out entirely.

AND I explicitly stated this was all contingent upon him continuing to both get minutes and maintain production, something which is NOT guaranteed. That's what makes it a qualifier.

[Dark-Oh]

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I'd argue the opposite; this board is notorious for underestimating player value. We *always* think we overpaid. The outrage on this board over the Stew contract still cracks me up.

We will jump through every possible hoop to explain why there is no market for somebody and how we should be able to take advantage or leverage our position to get that guy cheap!! We "overpaid" for Tobias when there was no market. Overpaid every one of our role players (THj, Levert, etc).

We always have that certainty that nobody else would ever consider paying *that* much for somebody while ignoring how typical those "overpays" actually are.

Talent costs money. I'm all for trying to lock dudes up cheap, but then you better make an aggressive enough offer that the dude isn't tempted to simply bet on himself because if not your just going to miss out entirely.

AND I explicitly stated this was all contingent upon him continuing to both get minutes and maintain production, something which is NOT guaranteed. That's what makes it a qualifier.[/quote]

Yes, I agree. If he continues to produce like this, he's not going to sign for a bag of doughnuts. Just because he wasn't drafted and played the G league, doesn't mean he'll play for less than a first round pick who's performing similarly.

Jenkins has good size for his spot, defends, shoots, handles, passes, and is good at all of it. If he goes down with an injury tonight and can't play the rest of the season, I think he'll still see a $5m per year offer based on what league GMs saw from him so far. If he stays healthy and starts playing poorly, he might be able to play his way into a lesser deal. But I don't think anyone believes he's going to play poorly the rest of the way. He's between $5m and $15m per season next season...his play the rest of the season will set the number.

[MortSahlfan]

ESPN: Jalen Duren to land near $200 million contract?

Jalen Duren is lining himself up for a huge payday in the summer, with league executives telling ESPN it could be in the range of Houston Rockets center Alperen Sengun's five-year, $185 million contract signed in October 2024.

[Kalamazoo317]

185 over 5 would be 37 a year, so only about the cost of a role player over what he was asking for in the offseason

[tmorgan]

ESPN: Jalen Duren to land near $200 million contract?

Jalen Duren is lining himself up for a huge payday in the summer, with league executives telling ESPN it could be in the range of Houston Rockets center Alperen Sengun's five-year, $185 million contract signed in October 2024.

If he (and the team in general) doesn’t adjust to the defenses we’re seeing lately, I highly doubt it. His numbers are slowly falling, and his turnovers in the paint are rising.

[MrBigShot]

Remember that Duren is going to be a RFA. What makes Duren the player he is is his combination of size, strength and athleticism. He's got good touch and an underrated handle, but he'd be crazy to take the QO and risk an injury that could cost him potentially 9 figures.

Giddey just got 4 years 100 million. We are going to have to extend our other young guys eventually so Trajan has to try to get best deal he can for the team.

[Kilo]

With Pellies opening to listen on Trey, any hope Weaver sees Ivey as a SG to play with Fears long term.

[Dark-Oh]

Duren and Cade are 50% of the salary cap. Do you think we have enough money left to pay Ivey, Jenkins, Ausar, and Holland?

Cade $50m
Duren $37m
Ivey $15m
Jenkins $8m
Ausar $25m
Holland $25m
Stew $15m

That's over the cap at $175m. Ausar, Holland, Ivey, and Jenkins could all get more if they play well.

Duncan $16m
LeVert $16m
Reed $5m
Tobias $15
Green $5m

This takes us to $232m $30-40mil above the second apron. I don't fully understand the cap rules, but I've heard it's hard to make any moves as a team. This on top of being very expensive. Gores might pay it if we're real contenders, but I can't see him throwing this kind of money down for 5-6 years that would be the window for this core.

[DetroitSho]

Such a small sample size, but IF he continues to play well and can get some extended minutes then I'm inclined to say he's in that Malik Monk tier. I could totally see him play himself into a better contract in 3 yrs though cuz he also gives off Brunson vibes. Like, he knows he's better than anybody wants to give him credit for and he's gonna keep proving haters wrong.

Right now everbody is waiting to make sure he isn't Jeremy Lin part 2.

Daniss Jenkins a $20 million/year player? Detroit knows it loves their 10th men I swear. But then again, I'm old enough to remember this board wanting to extend Avery Bradley for $25 million per after about 5-6 games to keep from having to pay the max to keep him. I think we jump the gun way too much around here.

Anybody remember Christian Wood for $20 mil? Fonteccio for mid to high teens?

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I'd argue the opposite; this board is notorious for underestimating player value. We *always* think we overpaid. The outrage on this board over the Stew contract still cracks me up.

We will jump through every possible hoop to explain why there is no market for somebody and how we should be able to take advantage or leverage our position to get that guy cheap!! We "overpaid" for Tobias when there was no market. Overpaid every one of our role players (THj, Levert, etc).

We always have that certainty that nobody else would ever consider paying *that* much for somebody while ignoring how typical those "overpays" actually are.

Talent costs money. I'm all for trying to lock dudes up cheap, but then you better make an aggressive enough offer that the dude isn't tempted to simply bet on himself because if not your just going to miss out entirely.

AND I explicitly stated this was all contingent upon him continuing to both get minutes and maintain production, something which is NOT guaranteed. That's what makes it a qualifier.

Those situations are different tho. You're talking about guys that were legit NBA rotation guys and people generally base their opinion of value on how they actually feel about the guy. Over the years they've seen Tobias be ridiculed by Philly fans for not showing up in the playoffs, so "why would we ever go after him or pay him that much when Philly didn't want him". I thought that was a ridiculous line of thinking. I also laughed at all the Stew vitriol, that was ridiculous. The only problem of the guys you mentioned was LeVert simply because dude can't play more than 5 games in a row.

Yet and still, these examples don't match what I'm saying. I'm talking that unheraldedd gem that you uncovered that becomes a cult hero. Freaking Dan Skipper damn near gets a standing ovation by just checking into the game. Brandon Inge had a cult following. Daniss Jenkins has played 3 whole weeks consistently being in an NBA rotation and there's people suggesting $20 million a year is realistic. NONE of those other examples even come close to the ridiculousness of this.

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